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Lt. Cmdr. Ranger 12/26/14 09:51 PM

Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Why hasn't this been done? Every season we've had the same deal: evil alien overlord, evil demon, evil space witch, evil pirates, evil robots/computer program, ect. Not once have we had an honest to god evil human antagonist, and before you say it, Master Org doesn't count cause he swallowed those seed things and got turned into a half human/Org thing before becoming a full one in the WF final.

So why do you think that is and also how would you do an evil human as the antagonist for a series? The only rule for the second question is that said antagonist can't be an "evil other" in disguse.

PS: Jared from JF doesn't count either, he was possessed by Dai-Shi, he may have been a douche before then but that is all he was.

PPS: Andromeda doesn't count either as she wasn't born on Earth. Okay so the second question has two rules, 1) no being an evil "other" in disguise and 2) must have been born on the earth.

Quantum Wolf 12/26/14 09:58 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
So you're talking about an actual human, with no external factors like spirits or aliens or the like? Just probably some evil scientist or some rich asshole?

I think that idea may not ever be touched upon because the idea of human baddies going to the extent of villains we've seen so far in PR might not be accepted. PR seems to be operating under the idea of humanity being all-encompassing good. Sure we've got jerks or mean characters over the years, but actual evil human beings? Might not go over so well.

darkshadowranger 12/26/14 09:59 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Firstly, Astronema does count. She is Human. In the PR Universe it is established not all humans are from earth. Different planet yes, but human.

Lothor in NS is human
Ransik in TF is human

Zabitan 12/26/14 10:06 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
How about a villain who's a horribly mutated public service announcement writer who pretty much only became a super villain because he was one of those people who watch tv, and movies, and read comics, and thought even he could be a super villain, and then something weird happened and he got powers so he said "fuck it", and decided to be one.

Also he tries to subvert a lot of the various tropes, and cliches of super villains but ends up playing them straight.


Like he wants to have a very big army, and send it all at once but he has to hire all of his monsters off Craigslist, and his insurance only covers one person a week.

And he only has enough money to make or hire like five or six henchmen at a time.


And he has this evil plan to turn everyone into robots if he's one, or mutants if he's one, etc, but afterwards he's going to move to Florida, and smoke crack everyday.

Moonsknight 12/26/14 10:25 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
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Originally Posted by Lt. Cmdr. Ranger (Post 50351)
Why hasn't this been done? Every season we've had the same deal: evil alien overlord, evil demon, evil space witch, evil pirates, evil robots/computer program, ect. Not once have we had an honest to god evil human antagonist, and before you say it, Master Org doesn't count cause he swallowed those seed things and got turned into a half human/Org thing before becoming a full one in the WF final.

So why do you think that is and also how would you do an evil human as the antagonist for a series? The only rule for the second question is that said antagonist can't be an "evil other" in disguse.

PS: Jared from JF doesn't count either, he was possessed by Dai-Shi, he may have been a douche before then but that is all he was.

PPS: Andromeda doesn't count either as she wasn't born on Earth. Okay so the second question has two rules, 1) no being an evil "other" in disguise and 2) must have been born on the earth.

... This is dumb. They're all humans. You can't just make up rules to invalidate the fact that they aren't human. And what does "no being an evil 'other' in disguise" even mean?

And how can Astronema not count just because she wasn't born on Earth. Andros directly said that Earth isn't the only place humans live. If humans all come from Earth originally, then at some point in time in the past, humans migrated out into the stars and ended up on colonies like KO-35.

Lothor is straight-up human. He was born on Earth, he's Sensei's twin brother, he's Cam's uncle. He's not an alien, he's just surrounded by aliens.

Quantum Wolf 12/26/14 10:26 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Alternatively he could be talking about a human villain that is not influenced by aliens, evil magics, or twisted and remade by machinery. An actual human baddie, probably surrounded by fellow human baddies and the occasional robot, who enacts his/her plans using earth-based technology. No influences from other planets, other dimensions, or time-travel.

Zabitan 12/26/14 11:28 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Maybe he doesn't count folks who start out human but then have something weird happen to them that gives them super powers.

In which case I'd still count Lothar since even though Ninjisu is magic super powers in the Power Rangers he's still just a regular guy who had to train all of his life to be able to do it.



In fact if folks who started out human, and got powers later or are humans from another planet count then.

MMPR: Rita is either human or looks like one.

Zeo: No humans.

Turbo: Divatox is human or looks like one.

In Space: Astronema is a human.

Lost Galaxy: No humans but Trakeena looks human.

Lightspeed Rescue: No humans but Vypra looks human.

Time Force: Mutants were created by genetic waste from humans, Frax was human before converting himself into a robot.

Wild Force: Master Org was human before he consumed the remains of the previous Master Org.

Ninja Storm: Lothar, Mara, and Kapri are human.

Dino Thunder: Messogog, Elsa, and Zeltrax where human before becoming mutants, and cyborgs.

S.P.D.: Mora/Morganna is either human or looks like one.

Mystic Force: Korrag was human before being controlled by the Master, Imperious was also human before Daggeron cursed him, and the creatures of the underworld brought him back to life.

Operation Overdrive: Flurious, and Moltor were human before being cursed by the crown, and Miratix is either human or looks like one.

Jungle Fury: Jarrod is human he was possessed by Dai Shi, Chameele is either human or looks like one.

RPM: Tenaya 7 was human before being turned into a cyborg by Venjix.

Samurai: Deker, Dayu were human before Dayu sold their souls to Serrator.

Megaforce: No humans.



So if anything yes villains at least starting out human or looking human is actually pretty common.


Also I think it's because how do the Rangers fight, and destroy a human no matter how evil without it being murder.

Or the bad guy can't put up much of a fight.

MattEmily 12/26/14 11:33 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
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Originally Posted by Lt. Cmdr. Ranger (Post 50351)
Why hasn't this been done? Every season we've had the same deal: evil alien overlord, evil demon, evil space witch, evil pirates, evil robots/computer program, ect. Not once have we had an honest to god evil human antagonist, and before you say it, Master Org doesn't count cause he swallowed those seed things and got turned into a half human/Org thing before becoming a full one in the WF final.

So why do you think that is and also how would you do an evil human as the antagonist for a series? The only rule for the second question is that said antagonist can't be an "evil other" in disguse.

It has been done. Rita and Zedd could be seen as humans since they were purified as such and we do not know where they were originally from.
Master Org does count at least in the beginning since in the beginning he was just a human being named Viktor Adler with special Org powers but no heart but he was just as fragile as any human was considering Mandilok killed him with ease.

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PS: Jared from JF doesn't count either, he was possessed by Dai-Shi, he may have been a douche before then but that is all he was.

PPS: Andromeda doesn't count either as she wasn't born on Earth. Okay so the second question has two rules, 1) no being an evil "other" in disguise and 2) must have been born on the earth.
Actually Jarrod does count. Yes he was a jerk in the beginning and eventually became possessed by Dai-Shi but a lot of the motions were still Jarrod himself.

Astronema does count herself as well. Just because she was born on KO-35 does not make her any less human. She's still a human much like Andros, Zhane, Maya and Trip are.

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Originally Posted by Quantum Wolf (Post 50352)
So you're talking about an actual human, with no external factors like spirits or aliens or the like? Just probably some evil scientist or some rich *******?

I think that idea may not ever be touched upon because the idea of human baddies going to the extent of villains we've seen so far in PR might not be accepted. PR seems to be operating under the idea of humanity being all-encompassing good. Sure we've got jerks or mean characters over the years, but actual evil human beings? Might not go over so well.

I agree that such an idea will likely never happen.
Lothor was pretty much the closest instance of a human being eventually being evil since he was a human and he was the one that chose to practice the dark and forbidden art of dark magic which got him expelled from the academy and from the planet.
Viktor Adler would be another example but after thinking things clearly I do agree with some people's thoughts that Master Org's spirit would have taken him over after he died but it was still the real Viktor Adler for half of the season.

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Originally Posted by darkshadowranger (Post 50353)
Firstly, Astronema does count. She is Human. In the PR Universe it is established not all humans are from earth. Different planet yes, but human.

Lothor in NS is human
Ransik in TF is human

I completely agree.
However we do not know where Lothor was born at... we can assume he was born on Earth since Kanoi and Cam likely were.
Ransik is indeed human since he was born on Earth.
Master Org is human for at least most of the season his jealousy just got the best of him and it eventually lead into him being a true Org that eventually was destroyed.
Mesogog was technically part human since Anton Mercer was his other half.
Jarrod was still human regardless of Dai-Shi's spirit being inside of it plus on top of which just because his spirit was inside of him does not mean he was making all of the moves throughout the season since Jarrod was making a lot of the calls on his own.
Moltor and Flurious were once human so they still count even though they were punished into their monster forms and they were imprisoned into their own elements.

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Originally Posted by Moonsknight (Post 50355)
... This is dumb. They're all humans. You can't just make up rules to invalidate the fact that they aren't human. And what does "no being an evil 'other' in disguise" even mean?

And how can Astronema not count just because she wasn't born on Earth. Andros directly said that Earth isn't the only place humans live. If humans all come from Earth originally, then at some point in time in the past, humans migrated out into the stars and ended up on colonies like KO-35.

Lothor is straight-up human. He was born on Earth, he's Sensei's twin brother, he's Cam's uncle. He's not an alien, he's just surrounded by aliens.

I agree with you there.

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Originally Posted by Quantum Wolf (Post 50356)
Alternatively he could be talking about a human villain that is not influenced by aliens, evil magics, or twisted and remade by machinery. An actual human baddie, probably surrounded by fellow human baddies and the occasional robot, who enacts his/her plans using earth-based technology. No influences from other planets, other dimensions, or time-travel.

technically Astronema wasn't really influenced by anyone Ecliptor just raised her to be evil. She was a young kid when she was kidnapped by Darkonda so she wouldn't have known any better at such a young age.

PRangerX 12/27/14 11:54 AM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
There are actually a ton of humans in PR that were villains. And many of them were from Earth. Unless you are talking about villains with no Superhuman or magical powers.

VR Master 12/27/14 12:09 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Maybe the Lightspeed Rescue villains could have been some evil human organization that used tech to create monsters.

Starlight Supreme 12/27/14 02:02 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
That would have been pretty cool. Better than using Sentai villains. They could have been looke cobra in gi joe. Maybe the demons could have been magical creatures they summoned or even created. I'm talking about Dolibolico and company.

VR Master 12/27/14 02:04 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Yeah didn't think there could be magic involved. But thats a good idea. The evil group could use tech and evil magic. Which we know both are a big part of PRU.

KimandTommy 12/27/14 04:17 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Most of the American made villains were human enough for me.

Kilobyte 12/27/14 04:19 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Tenaya 7 was a human originally. She was just turned into a cyborg by Venjix.

Decepticon 12/27/14 04:22 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Doesn't matter to me as long as the villains have personality and a good backstory. I really liked Impurious in Mystic Force and he wasn't human.

VR Master 12/27/14 04:23 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Although one could argue that Impurius was human too. But I get what you are going for.

Galaxy Supreme 12/27/14 04:26 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
I don't know if I'd call Impurious human. Givening what happened to Calindor after he turned.to dark magic. He ceased to be human once he turned on Calindor and his body was destoryed.

Decepticon 12/27/14 06:06 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Right, by the time we see him in Mystic Force he is no longer human. Daggeron comments that he didn't reconize anymore once Calindor turns on him. But my main point was he was a very interesting villain and didn't need to be human. But I am thinking of it as more of a Sentai Villain versus US villain arguement.

Adam White Tiger 12/27/14 06:09 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Do humans that get turned into Monsters count? Remember that science teacher that gets turned into Marvo the Meenie?

Everyone Loves Rocky 12/27/14 06:12 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
I remember that episode. Its one of the best Rocky episodes. I'm glad they didn't make him look like a dope. He came off like a true Red Ranger. Plus he got some character growth by switching places with the teacher.

PRangerX 12/27/14 06:19 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Going off of VR Master's idea. Perhaps the main human villain made a deal with Bansheera in ancient times to live forever. And a consequence he must serve her . So he builds evil organization using technonolgy and magic to serve Bansheera's ends.

MattEmily 12/27/14 10:04 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
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Originally Posted by VR Master (Post 50385)
Although one could argue that Impurius was human too. But I get what you are going for.

I agree that Imperious does count.

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Originally Posted by galaxy supreme (Post 50386)
I don't know if I'd call Impurious human. Givening what happened to Calindor after he turned.to dark magic. He ceased to be human once he turned on Calindor and his body was destoryed.

I would call Imperious human since he was Calindor originally who was human. He just chose to turn to dark magic much like Kiya did which lead to Kiya becoming Lothor and being expelled and of course a similar thing happened with Calindor as well only he was cursed in his undead form.

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Originally Posted by Decepticon (Post 50387)
Right, by the time we see him in Mystic Force he is no longer human. Daggeron comments that he didn't reconize anymore once Calindor turns on him. But my main point was he was a very interesting villain and didn't need to be human. But I am thinking of it as more of a Sentai Villain versus US villain arguement.

True but Daggeron's comments are standard comments when one of your friends do something that you don't expect them to do. Basically it's like Daggeron is saying to Calindor "I can't believe you would do something like this, I don't even know you anymore."

Lord Leo 12/28/14 03:58 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Impurious was the most interesting villain in Mystic Force. Such a dark and chilling back story. He had the most personality as well.

Calindor ceased to be human after he was cursed and lost his body. But he stil counts. Since he started out human.

MattEmily 12/28/14 05:08 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
technically Imperious still has his body it's just a form for him much like the Ancient Mystic Modes and Knight Modes are forms for Leanbow and Daggeron.

I consider Imperious' mummy form to be his true form after becoming cursed like that.

PRangerX 12/28/14 07:22 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
I see what Leo is saying however. When Necroali refers to Impurius' body she calls it new. As does Impurious. He is a demon by this point not human. I assune the thread starter means a completely human villain who has not been mutated or magically changed.

Destiny Defeated 12/28/14 08:59 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
Ransik was diffinitly human. Being a mutant shouldn't disqualify you. Since mutants were from Earth. Ransik had a lot of human attributes anyway.

Astronema 12/28/14 09:28 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
But weren't the villains of MMPR through Space all from other planets? They were still alien even if they weren't human.

MattEmily 12/28/14 09:43 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
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Originally Posted by PRangerX (Post 50468)
I see what Leo is saying however. When Necroali refers to Impurius' body she calls it new. As does Impurious. He is a demon by this point not human. I assune the thread starter means a completely human villain who has not been mutated or magically changed.

that could be the case but there are still numerous cases like that with Lothor being one of them. Master Org I would personally count as well (at least until he's killed off by Mandilok) and I would count Astronema as well.

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Originally Posted by Destiny Defeated (Post 50476)
Ransik was diffinitly human. Being a mutant shouldn't disqualify you. Since mutants were from Earth. Ransik had a lot of human attributes anyway.

I agree. Ransik was still a human even though he was also a mutant as well.

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Originally Posted by Astronoma (Post 50481)
But weren't the villains of MMPR through Space all from other planets? They were still alien even if they weren't human.

We actually don't know where a lot of them actually come from. We can assume Divatox is an alien that comes from Inquirus since she was presumably to be Dimitria's twin sister before that plot got dropped.

We can assume Master Vile comes from the M-51 Galaxy since one of the episode summaries states that the planet the zords were placed on was actually his home planet.

We know Astronema comes from KO-35.

Zabitan 12/28/14 10:47 PM

Re: Why hasn't Power Rangers done a season with a human villain?
 
I guess if Saban didn't skip Go Buster we probably would have gotten one or two.

Especially if the hypothetical Power Rangers version was just Go Buster: the American version.


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