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RyanRXP

08-08-2008, 10:11 AM

I saw the most overrated ranger thread, so I thought why not make a most overrated thread. First off, I want to take out the most obvious choice, Tommy. Why would I do that? I wanted this to be more intersting than every one picking Tommy.

My choice is Adam. I am not saying he was not a good ranger, I think he is one of the top 10(Didn't think out where, but he's there). I just feel that he has been blown up because of every one loving Johny. I hear people say he is the greatest ranger ever, but I just can't see how he can be above Jason and Tommy.

2580

08-08-2008, 10:44 AM

I would say Ashley. I honestly don't know why so many people like her; she's an easily-forgettable character in my opinion.

OhioRedRanger08

08-08-2008, 10:54 AM

Jason. Yes he was the very first Red Ranger, but he was overated in my oppinion.

RyanRXP

08-08-2008, 10:55 AM

I would say Ashley. I honestly don't know why so many people like her; she's an easily-forgettable character in my opinion.

People like her because of her personality. But as far as being a ranger goes, I agree, she was only average. I think that her pesonality makes her character good as a whole.

Jiemusu

08-08-2008, 12:56 PM

IMO it's gotta be Carter for me, while he may have certain traits that could be desirable, he doesn't deserve too much credit because he wasn't anything really special. People are going to disagree with me on this. But in my opinion, he getting more praise then he should. Fans alwalys go 'Carter is underrated', 'Carter was held back' and stuff. It's the same principle as Broly fans in DBZ. Because they were underrated, loads of fans suddenly protest against them being underrated, then in an ironic twist, they actually end up overrated.

I'm also heavily motivated to label Jen as overrated too. Just because she's a female who led, who had boyfriend trouble, she's suddenly the greatest female ranger ever.

Lance9384

08-08-2008, 02:03 PM

Definitely Jen. I don't see her any better past Kim or Ashley

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 03:28 AM

Definitely Jen. I don't see her any better past Kim or Ashley

People also think she was the leader through all of Time Force, even though she gave the role to Wes. Why people say she was such a great leader, I still can't figure out. All she did as leader was yell and push people around. She was tough, but she was just mad at the world, blaming eveyone for Alex's death.

Question

08-10-2008, 03:31 AM

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 03:34 AM

I'm going to resist the urge to rant about how Carter is so far from 'overrated' it's not even funny. Because, well, I'm too tired to type that much right now.

I definitely agree with Jen being overrated.

Here's one - Adam. Adam was absolutely nothing of note until JYB started interacting with the fans.

That was my first post:)

My choice is Adam. I am not saying he was not a good ranger, I think he is one of the top 10(Didn't think out where, but he's there). I just feel that he has been blown up because of every one loving Johny. I hear people say he is the greatest ranger ever, but I just can't see how he can be above Jason and Tommy.

Question

08-10-2008, 03:35 AM

I didn't even see that!

I assumed I was the only one to think Adam's overrated. Nice!

ForeverBlack

08-10-2008, 03:39 AM

I assumed I was the only one to think Adam's overrated.

Your kidding,right?..He's awesome,but I agree he's overrated..don't assume :P

SweetieUHadMe

08-10-2008, 04:10 AM

Um...Tommy.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 04:15 AM

Um...Tommy.

Like I said in the first post, I am eliminating Tommy from this thread, so that people don't only say one person.

Fire Warrior

08-10-2008, 04:22 AM

Ryan, the Titanium Ranger. There was this big arc about him coming and all that stuff about him, he was supposed to be this BAMF of a ranger, and he does pretty much NOTHING all the time he was there, besides getting a tattoo off his back. I think he was a total let-down.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 04:23 AM

wadeinthewater

08-10-2008, 06:40 AM

Every ranger that isn't of the Saban era.

Ao Ultimate

08-10-2008, 07:14 AM

Most overrated ranger other then Tommy...I would honestly have to say and this is just being real even though I don't feel this way it's between Jason and Adam.

King

08-10-2008, 07:31 AM

I say Sky is overrated. People think he's a good blue ranger but really he is probably the worst blue ranger ever if not the worst ranger ever in general. And when I say worst I do mean worst then Justin, Cole, and any other ranger people name as the worst ranger ever.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 09:00 AM

Most overrated ranger other then Tommy...I would honestly have to say and this is just being real even though I don't feel this way it's between Jason and Adam.

I already posted my feelings about Adam, also I can understand about Jason. Every one sas he is the best red ranger. I feel he is, but some people take it to another whole level, saying that "no other ranger comes close". He is one of the best, but he's not as far as what some people say.

I say Sky is overrated. People think he's a good blue ranger but really he is probably the worst blue ranger ever if not the worst ranger ever in general. And when I say worst I do mean worst then Justin, Cole, and any other ranger people name as the worst ranger ever.

I hated Sky. All he cared about was himself. The only reason why he became red ranger was because:
1. Girls apparently can't move up in rank(as shown in the last episode)
2. There was no one else left(if you count reason #1)
Before people complain about #1, pointing out Doggie asking what if Syd became the leader, he was just pointing out the worst possible choice, to see how he would react.

DTGR

08-10-2008, 12:39 PM

Jason. Yes he was the very first Red Ranger, but he was overated in my oppinion.

But Jason was a great leader AND a great fighter. You're entitled to yuor opinion of course but i disagree.

My choice for overrated ranger goes to TJ (Turbo era). For me he wasn't exactly leadership material. Blowing the zords to pieces also showed his decision making wasn't great when faced with a crisis!

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 12:44 PM

But Jason was a great leader AND a great fighter. You're entitled to yuor opinion of course but i disagree.

My choice for overrated ranger goes to TJ (Turbo era). For me he wasn't exactly leadership material. Blowing the zords to pieces also showed his decision making wasn't great when faced with a crisis!

Yea, he was one of the worst leaders. I mean he was almost baked in a pizza. I still say he was one of the best second in comands, and great in space, but he really sucked in Turbo.

SweetieUHadMe

08-10-2008, 04:28 PM

Like I said in the first post, I am eliminating Tommy from this thread, so that people don't only say one person.

I obviously didn't care.

Zeo_Dragonzord

08-10-2008, 05:32 PM

I feel that Tommy is NOT OVERRRATED. However these people are ....

Adam
Carter
Cole
Jack

DMS

08-10-2008, 05:43 PM

what do you guys mean by over rated? like over popular when they sucked or something?

DTGR

08-10-2008, 05:48 PM

what do you guys mean by over rated? like over popular when they sucked or something?

Yep. That's right!

DMS

08-10-2008, 05:58 PM

ohh okayy, i would say, actually haha i dont really know

Izout

08-10-2008, 06:01 PM

what do you guys mean by over rated? like over popular when they sucked or something?

I always thought overrated means something that gets more praise than it deserves?

Hear All

08-10-2008, 06:02 PM

Jason and TJ. I don't understand why people like these guys so much...

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:07 PM

I feel that Tommy is NOT OVERRRATED.

I thought he was the best ever, then came Dino Thunder. I liked the season, but it proved why you should leave the old rangers where they are.

Hear All

08-10-2008, 06:13 PM

I thought he was the best ever, then came Dino Thunder. I liked the season, but it proved why you should leave the old rangers where they are.

Most people consider Tommys role in Dino Thunder his best. He took the mentor role and didn't steal the spotlight at all, plus we got a bunch of references and homages from the MMPR and Zeo days

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:19 PM

TOMMY!! ugh..he gets like..all the attention all the time... ugh MMPR s2-3 was like Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, the rest of the team, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:19 PM

Most people consider Tommys role in Dino Thunder his best. He took the mentor role and didn't steal the spotlight at all, plus we got a bunch of references and homages from the MMPR and Zeo days

I feel he was far too out of character. Plus he took a hit as far as the fighting goes.

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:31 PM

Like I said in the first post, I am eliminating Tommy from this thread, so that people don't only say one person.

....That's just stupid (no offense)... but by doing that, you nearly FORCE people to pick another ranger... If people think Tommy..they should be allowed to say Tommy in this thread :3

DMS

08-10-2008, 06:38 PM

okay just cause tommy got a lot of attention doesnt mean he was overrated, he totally was the best ranger ever!

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:39 PM

....That's just stupid (no offense)... but by doing that, you nearly FORCE people to pick another ranger... If people think Tommy..they should be allowed to say Tommy in this thread :3

I wanted this thread to be an iterseting one with people saying different characters. I did not want this to just be a Tommy sucks thread, which I have no doubt would happen. If you don't like it then you have the power to make your own thread.

From this point on no more Tommy, he is not allowed in this thread!

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:40 PM

I wanted this thread to be an iterseting one with people saying different characters. I did not want this to just be a Tommy sucks thread, which I have no doubt would happen. If you don't like it then you have the power to make your own thread.

But still... I think people should have the rights to say which ranger they think is overrrated... even though most would say Tommy...

Just because you love Tommy..I think people should be allowed to say his name..
If I had made a "Which season sucked" thread..I wouldn't deny people from saying Time Force because I love it... I wouldn't deny them from saying Turbo/wild force because most people would say that...

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:42 PM

But still... I think people should have the rights to say which ranger they think is overrrated... even though most would say Tommy...

Like I said, if you wan't him as a choice make your own thread. It is easier than fighting me.

ForeverBlack

08-10-2008, 06:42 PM

Dunno about overrated..but Xander is a BIT..too cocky..Once a Ranger ftl.

DMS

08-10-2008, 06:43 PM

ForeverBlack your totally right about Xander, he was always cocky you deffinaltly got that right, like he thought he was all that, maybe the writers wanted him like that?.?.?.

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:44 PM

Like I said, if you wan't him as a choice make your own thread. It is easier than fighting me.

uhm..what should that thread name be?? "Most overrated ranger (Including Tommy)"?? =_=

ForeverBlack

08-10-2008, 06:46 PM

Oh,glad I'm right then.I've yet to actually see him in the series he's from,but pulling the whole ''lets talk this out'' thing was silly.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:47 PM

uhm..what should that thread name be?? "Most overrated ranger (Including Tommy)"?? =_=

That or "The other overrated thread" or "The true overrated thread"

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:48 PM

King

08-10-2008, 06:51 PM

My choice for overrated ranger goes to TJ (Turbo era). For me he wasn't exactly leadership material. Blowing the zords to pieces also showed his decision making wasn't great when faced with a crisis!
I also agree that TJ is overrated. But not just for Turbo, for PRIS to. He gets credit for plans he didn't come up with (Justin's plan during the Turbo finale) and plans that didn't work(turning everybody blue vs. the psycho rangers). He also gets credit for taking control when Astronema switched sides even though his judgment against Karone was wrong and he ended up crashing the ship because his instincts that Karone was deceiving them was wrong.

But still... I think people should have the rights to say which ranger they think is overrrated... even though most would say Tommy...

Just because you love Tommy..I think people should be allowed to say his name..
If I had made a "Which season sucked" thread..I wouldn't denied people from saying Time Force because I love it... I wouldn't deny them from saying Turbo/wild force because most people would say that...

The thread started excluded Tommy because he didn't want a thread of everybody saying the same answer. Many people exclude certain characters or seasons when they make threads. I've seen threads asking for the best season ever but excluded MMPR because a bunch of people would have said it. I've seen threads asking for the best green ranger ever but excluded Tommy for obvious reasons. If he wants to exclude Tommy in his thread then he has a right to.

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 06:55 PM

The thread started excluded Tommy because he didn't want a thread of everybody saying the same answer. Many people exclude certain characters or seasons when they make threads. I've seen threads asking for the best season ever but excluded MMPR because a bunch of people would have said it. I've seen threads asking for the best green ranger ever but excluded Tommy for obvious reasons. If he wants to exclude Tommy in his thread then he has a right to.

I didn't say he shouldn't be allowed to..I'm saying that it's kinda stupid... I think the same about the other threads you have mentioned..people should be allowed to mention their favorite season, or ranger, or the most overrated ranger in their opinion

DMS

08-10-2008, 06:55 PM

Oh,glad I'm right then.I've yet to actually see him in the series he's from,but pulling the whole ''lets talk this out'' thing was silly.

yourr totally right about that, or how about, "the name is xander" every time it was like bad guy or something lol

ForeverBlack

08-10-2008, 06:56 PM

He was Mystic Force,right?..I'm only checking out a bit of OO and heading straight to JF in a moment.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 06:58 PM

Well.. two equal threads aren't allowed :3

As I said before though: Just because you love Tommy..I think people should be allowed to say his name..
If I had made a "Which season sucked" thread..I wouldn't deny people from saying Time Force because I love it... I wouldn't deny them from saying Turbo/wild force because most people would say that...

1. I only love green ranger Tommy, but as a whole I would say he is top 5.
2. I do think he is overrated.

The thread started excluded Tommy because he didn't want a thread of everybody saying the same answer. Many people exclude certain characters or seasons when they make threads. I've seen threads asking for the best season ever but excluded MMPR because a bunch of people would have said it. I've seen threads asking for the best green ranger ever but excluded Tommy for obvious reasons. If he wants to exclude Tommy in his thread then he has a right to.

Exactly what I said, but in other words.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-10-2008, 06:58 PM

Ryan RXP, by the way, I've been watching PR since the beginning and can tell you that my take on Adam isn't because of the actor, but because of what he can do during the fights. JYB became very cool to the masses post MMPR, but I remember him best as a kick-ass replacement for Zack and it grew from then on

DMS

08-10-2008, 06:59 PM

He was Mystic Force,right?..I'm only checking out a bit of OO and heading straight to JF in a moment.

ya he was in mystic force. OO dont even mention, they all sucked and JF is very good season so far, no over rated rangers there i dont think

ForeverBlack

08-10-2008, 07:00 PM

Heh,we'll see..I don't really like the whole 3 ranger team,is that in JF this time or am I thinking of DT?

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-10-2008, 07:04 PM

Hold up! is this thread an attempt for current gen-only fans to pass judgement on the past? Seriously.....

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Hold up! is this thread an attempt for current gen-only fans to pass judgement on the past? Seriously.....

Can you please explain that one to me?

King

08-10-2008, 07:12 PM

I didn't say he shouldn't be allowed to..I'm saying that it's kinda stupid... I think the same about the other threads you have mentioned..people should be allowed to mention their favorite season, or ranger, or the most overrated ranger in their opinion

People should be allowed to make threads and exclude answers that they predict everybody will give. If somebody wants to know who people think is the most overrated ranger outside of Tommy that person has a right to make that thread. If somebody doesn't want to follow with what the thread is suppose to be they can click out and leave it alone.

Hear All

08-10-2008, 07:15 PM

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-10-2008, 07:15 PM

Can you please explain that one to me?

It's a question. MMPR is the prime target. Is it unitentional? Or is it blatant. This is not a flame war. I just want to know. I have a dislike for the way the seasons are currently but it has nothing to do with the actors, it's the way the show is filmed, but thats another topic. The major question is, how do you think MMPR would be hailed if it were filmed today? (sorry for the rant)

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 07:17 PM

King, you should just ignore SPD-fury. He is just all mad at nothing, just leave him alone and maybe he will just go away, or talk in a thread he likes. Personaly I feel he is just looking for a fight, that or just trying to raise his post count.

RyanRXP

08-10-2008, 07:21 PM

To everyone who says Tommy is overrated...

- Longest serving Ranger Ever

- Second longest serving overall Power Rangers character (Bulk is #1)

- Has a personal connection to every season except Mystic Force, Operation Overdrive and Jungle Fury

- The only character to be 2 different Red Rangers

- First Ranger to lead a team while not being Red

- Only ranger to have 3 different forms in the same seris (Green, White and Ninja)

- Only Ranger to have two on screen romances (he's a player to lol)

- First Wildcard Ranger ever

- First Evil Ranger ever

- Only Ranger to have two different theme songs

- He has been 5 different Rangers and 4 different colours

Tommy is not allowed in this thread.

It's a question. MMPR is the prime target. Is it unitentional? Or is it blatant. This is not a flame war. I just want to know. I have a dislike for the way the seasons are currently but it has nothing to do with the actors, it's the way the show is filmed, but thats another topic. The major question is, how do you think MMPR would be hailed if it were filmed today? (sorry for the rant)

If MMPR was made by today's crew it would suck. MMPR would not have been as popular today as it was when it came out. There is too much shows like it out now. MMPR came out at just the right time.

Sorry for double posting.

Rebelde

08-10-2008, 07:22 PM

People should be allowed to make threads and exclude answers that they predict everybody will give. If somebody wants to know who people think is the most overrated ranger outside of Tommy that person has a right to make that thread. If somebody doesn't want to follow with what the thread is suppose to be they can click out and leave it alone.

Got a point there though

King, you should just ignore SPD-fury. He is just all mad at nothing, just leave him alone and maybe he will just go away, or talk in a thread he likes. Personaly I feel he is just looking for a fight, that or just trying to raise his post count.
=_= oh yeah..I am looking for a fight..cause fighting is SO fun
And btw..post counts aren't even important...dunno why people makes such a deal out of it...people are like OMG I LOST MY POST COUNTS *goes emo* =_=

Anyways..now when a Tomy thread is made...I'll say my 2nd place overrated one..ADAM :3

RedLion22

10-29-2008, 12:37 AM

Kira for me,

Yeah she was hot and everything,but that sarcastic,never-smiling attitude of her got way too much attention.

Betty

10-29-2008, 12:42 AM

Jason. Ok he was the first red ranger and you have to give him credit for that but bottom line he quit which goes against everything power rangers stand for.

After him is Zack for same reason followed by Trini

Izout

10-29-2008, 01:08 AM

Zack and Trini are overrated? Hardly anyone really talks about them.

King

10-29-2008, 03:16 AM

Jason. Ok he was the first red ranger and you have to give him credit for that but bottom line he quit which goes against everything power rangers stand for.

Giving up goes against everything power rangers stands for but the way Jason "quit" wasn't in the form of giving up. He went on to help the world in another way as opposed to other rangers who pondered quiting because things were getting to hard for them.

PowerOnyx

10-29-2008, 03:45 AM

If anyone should be punished for giving up it's *cringes* Will.

Betty

10-29-2008, 04:39 PM

Giving up goes against everything power rangers stands for but the way Jason "quit" wasn't in the form of giving up. He went on to help the world in another way as opposed to other rangers who pondered quiting because things were getting to hard for them.

He still quit. Others thought about it but didn't. Tommy didn't quit when his powers were failing, Adam didn't quit and in space was even willing to morph when it could kill him, Wes didn't quit when he was against the army of bad guys , Conner didn't quit when he wanted to in Dino thunder.

Bottom line quitting even if it's helping the world in another way (cop-out by the way) is still quitting.

RogueRanger

10-29-2008, 06:27 PM

To be fair all the original rangers quit.
Jason, Zack, Trini-Switzerland Conference
Kimberly-Pan Olympic Games
Aisha-Help the animals in Africa
Billy-To live on Aquatar
Rocky-Injury
Tommy, Kat, Adam, Tanya-To go to college
Justin-Stay on earth with his dad

This stated I don't think that any of the originals can be over-rated for 'quiting' but for what they did as a ranger.
Obviously Tommy, Jason, Adam, Andros, and Billy come to many minds as being over rated for several reasons but I think that it was Kimberly.
She started out as a logical character that progressed from a 'prissy daddy's girl' to a great person but by the 3rd season she regressed back to her selfish nature and strung Tommy along in a pathetic long-distance relationship that she knew wouldn't work. She eventually did the right thing and broke-up with him but by the Turbo movie she tried to control him again.

Other then her I feel that the majority of Red rangers after PRiS become over-rated with the introduction of the Battlizer. By SPD when Japan included the Battlizer in their arsenal I felt that the Red Ranger gain back his Credit.

Titanium_Dragonzord

10-29-2008, 06:44 PM

I'm going to take alot of heat but I would have to say Nick for Mf he is the most overrated Ranger

King

10-29-2008, 07:18 PM

He still quit. Others thought about it but didn't. Tommy didn't quit when his powers were failing, Adam didn't quit and in space was even willing to morph when it could kill him, Wes didn't quit when he was against the army of bad guys , Conner didn't quit when he wanted to in Dino thunder.

Bottom line quitting even if it's helping the world in another way (cop-out by the way) is still quitting.

All the examples you just gave of a ranger not quitting would have been in the form of giving up if they did decide to quit. But Jason leaving wasn't in the form of giving up. He quit to move on and help the world in another way...You're making it out as if all forms of quitting are the same and that they are all dishonorable. What was dishonorable about how Jason left? How does that discredit him as a ranger in any way if he didn't give up but instead got selected to a peace conference?

PowerOnyx

10-29-2008, 10:22 PM

To be fair all the original rangers quit.
Billy-To live on Aquatar.

Umm... How could he quit being a Power ranger if he wasn't a Power Ranger?!

RogueRanger

10-30-2008, 12:00 AM

Umm... How could he quit being a Power ranger if he wasn't a Power Ranger?!

to be fair he was a back-up during the Zeo season, if one of the Rangers had fallen it was under general oppion of the Rangers that Billy would step up and take their place. Plus "Once a Ranger, Always a Ranger"

Betty

10-30-2008, 12:03 AM

Billy-To live on Aquatar
Rocky-Injury
Tommy, Kat, Adam, Tanya-To go to college

None of these quit.

Rocky injured so couldn't do it, that's not quiting.
Billy had no powers when he went so he didn't quit been been a ranger
Tommy, Kat, Adam and Tanya didn't quit. It was said they had come to the end of their cycle of been a ranger and was now free to live their lives. Also not quitting that's been forced to retire due to age, which was the rule then.

Also Kim quit like you said HOWEVER Kim gets points in hand picking Kat before she quit. When Jason, Zack and Trini quit they had no replacements in mind, Zordon chose them. Kim passed it on and made sure the team was ok before leaving. You get points for that in book.

King

10-30-2008, 02:06 AM

Betty

10-30-2008, 02:18 AM

You give Kim points for picking Kat as a replacement because she "made sure the team was ok before leaving" but don't give Jason, Zack, and Trini points for getting the sword to transfer there powers with the intention of making sure the team was ok before leaving?

Because that was under Zordon's orders. It's not like Jason said "hey lets get the sword" or "lets make sure the others are ok" No. Zordon told them and Tommy lead them so no to Jason getting credit for quitting.

What part of his leaving discredits him in any way as a ranger if he wasn't leaving because things got to tough for him or because he just couldn't take it anymore?

Because he still quit and didn't come back when conference was over until Tommy went and got him.

Sorry you can you argue all day about this but Jason was over-ratted for other reasons too. 1) he was too bossy in Forever red towards cole when he wasn't even leading the mission 2) He was meant to be a leader but couldn't even work with the new guy till Zordon stepped in. 3) showed no emotion (though that might just be because the actor sucks) 4) He had no personality.

I could go on but I'm not going to he's overrated in my opinion.

King

10-30-2008, 02:44 AM

Zordon never gave them the chance to pick there replacements. And regardless, they still went to get the sword which was more then what Kim did. All the rangers from MMPR that left made sure the team was left in good hands.

You just have something against Jason and are making up BS reasons for why he's overrated. Him leaving to be apart of a peace conference has nothing to do with how good of a ranger he was or his heart/attitude as a ranger. If he would have left because things got to tough for him then you would most definitely have a point. But since he didn't leave for that you are just pulling that random reason out of your ass to discredit him.

And as for the 4 other reasons you yanked out of your ass.......

1.) Jason wasn't to friendly towards Cole but he wasn't bossy and he gave Cole his props at the end.

2.) Jason could work with the new guy. Hence all the episodes they worked well together. Gung Ho is a perfect example of them being able to work together. Outside of there ranger lives (which shouldn't count against him as a ranger) when they were training for the competition they had problems working together. But when it came down to ranger duties in Gung Ho, they worked together. Zordon put them in that position but that is all that he did. He didn't tell him why he put them together, he just did it and on there own Jason and Tommy worked together.

3.) Jason showed more emotion then most rangers. You dug far into your ass to pull that excuse out.

4.) Having a bland personality has nothing to do with whether or not you are a good ranger.

Kazyya

10-31-2008, 03:08 AM

generalred3

10-31-2008, 05:16 AM

lol guys...chriz bashes jason in every single thread most likely because he likes tommy. Thats the case with a lot of people. The threes last mission was to get the sword to transfer to three other people..Zordon already had the 3 chosen in mind which is why he teleported them to the command center. None of your arguements back up anything and are actually completely made up. You love Tommy and thats great..but dont try bashing another ranger with made up facts because we can write a book about Tommy's mess ups and why hes over rated.

Betty

10-31-2008, 06:23 PM

lol guys...chriz bashes jason in every single thread

Uncalled for. This thread asked for our opinion on who we thought it was. I answered simple as.

Jiemusu

10-31-2008, 08:48 PM

PhoenixRenja

10-31-2008, 09:09 PM

Gotta agree with you man and it is 6 ranger powers he had lol. but you know he lost his powers in all the seasons he appeared but so did his teammates. he also served as ranger for many years unlike all the new teams (LG-JF) so you can only compare him with those who served as long as him (Adam, Billy etc). Personally i believe Billy never had a change to shine and show us his true skills. he could have been leader instead of tommy but the kids liked tommy too much...

Jiemusu

10-31-2008, 09:13 PM

You're right, six, I forgot to seperate the White Tiger and White Ninjetti powers.

And yeah, while Tommy may have been the official Leader, most of us know Billy was pulling the strings behind the scenes. If it wasn't for Billy it would have been over a lot sooner, technically the whole team would have been defeated before Tommy even made an appearance. Also, since Tommy was extremely slack in his early days, he relied on his communicator completely, which wouldn't have even existed had Billy not created it.

Also while it's true that due to Tommy being a long serving Ranger, it's logical to compare him to other long serving members... but take Rangers like Wes (who saved time) and Andros (who saved the universe) who did those amazing feats in one season. That alone qualifies Tommy as being overrated since it's clear he isn't the 'best' ever.

Izout

10-31-2008, 09:38 PM

Right. I'll offer my own reasons why Tommy is the most overrated Ranger in PR. ~Snip~
Ahem Jiemusu

First off, I want to take out the most obvious choice, Tommy. Why would I do that? I wanted this to be more intersting than every one picking Tommy.

Jiemusu

10-31-2008, 09:44 PM

If you read through the thread before my post, you'd know that I was offering my own reasons to why I thought Tommy was overrated because it was discussed anyway before in the thread.

But you knew that.

rangerdude16

11-01-2008, 02:56 AM

oi, wat do u guys mean by overrated???
i dont rilly get it

PowerOnyx

11-01-2008, 03:08 AM

Highly recognized & idolized.

KIM7813

11-01-2008, 06:39 AM

Tommy is overrated. He's too well-known and, lets face it, he seized the opportunity to become the Black Ranger in Dino Thunder.

So he's worn four different colors? Big deal.

I've assumed different names while in school, but you don't see me being smug about it.

Then again, if it doesn't sound proper, I guess I've gone off on a tangent.

King

11-01-2008, 07:33 AM

oi, wat do u guys mean by overrated???
i dont rilly get it

Basically we mean people who get to much credit and are seen as better then what they really were.

Let'sRocket!335Enter

11-01-2008, 07:44 AM

I'd say Jason. He was the "original" leader and red ranger for MMPR, Gold for Zeo etc but I thought he was an OKAY Red Ranger. He shouldn't be the best just because he was the "first" red ranger. I think a red ranger qualifies for that by his/her credentials and his/her team's resulting products ie defeating the main villain and saving the universe etc.

TokuFan

11-02-2008, 10:20 PM

Jason. Yes he was the very first Red Ranger, but he was overated in my oppinion.

Oh,that's ridiculous. If anything,he's UNDERrated. I mean,yeah,Evil Tommy's cooler than Evil Jason but that's the only time ever that Tommy will be cooler than Jason. That's no reflection on JDF,he's pretty cool.

Oh well,each to their own.

Primal Slayer

11-03-2008, 12:46 AM

#1 overrated Ranger- Tommy

#2 overrated Ranger- Jason

#3 overrated Ranger- Adam

But ofcourse the more popular the charecter, the more overrated they are.

RedLion22

11-03-2008, 01:15 AM

Right. I also stick with Jen being INCREDIBLY overrated. You're probably wondering why I haven't done a list for her. It's not so much me not providing a list of what she did wrong, it's more about me being 'unable' to provide a list of stuff she did 'right', at least to the 'right' level that people seem to justify her for anyway.

Whats so wrong with jen?? i thought she was like the most underrated pink ranger ever.

Element

11-03-2008, 02:05 AM

Tommy is overrated... Jen rocked!

Jiemusu

11-03-2008, 03:53 PM

Whats so wrong with jen?? i thought she was like the most underrated pink ranger ever.

You're... kidding right?

Tommy is overrated... Jen rocked!

Like I said, provide a list of everything she did that was cool, or even 'right'. People rave about her whenever they hear her name or see her, and most of the time it seems to just be because she was the first pink to lead who also had a love interest (which was pretty messed up, to her great-great-great-whatever-grandfather). If she's worthy of more praise, I'm interested in the reasons as to why.

Jam-Jul Lison

11-03-2008, 04:40 PM

Right. I'll offer my own reasons why Tommy is the most overrated Ranger in PR.

In his early Green Ranger days, his loyalty and focus to his mission and coworkers was very slack. His priotizing was way off, involving almost constantly being late for battle due to being off putting his personal life above his duties

I do have to agree with this. However I think his reasons for distancing himself from the others was from a feeling of guilt for almost killing them all. I am sure his time being evil probably messed with his head pretty bad and haunted him the rest of his left. With all that weighing on him, can we honestly say that some of us wouldn't have acted the same way. Especially so soon after all that happening. I try to give him some slack when it comes to this.

He was given the opportunity to stop the Green Candle himself, by he let it slip through his fingers

These things happen. Jason failed to get it too. I wouldn't really hold it against him.

After loosing his powers, he even distanced himself from his friends. Meaning that having powers seemed to be the only reason he chose to associate himself with his friends, not for the friendship

Once again look at what he had gone through. I think after he lost his powers he felt like he would just get in the way. Not to mention he probably needed some time to himself.

Given temporary powers, he didn't conserve it's energy, use then wisely, and act mature about it. Instead, he whined and sulked almost every episode, and acted like a kid, until he got new powers

I don't recall much whining. Other then the times he was pleading with Zordon to let him go help out his friends. Rather then sit about playing it safe, he wanted to go help them. Even if it ment losing his powers.

As leader, he failed to push others up and be a supporting leader, his approach was almost entirely selfish and economic

He wasn't the best leader, I will give you that. But he could have been worse. I wouldn't exactly call him selfish and what do you mean by when you say economic.

He lost the most zords under his leadership than any other Ranger team in history: Dino/Thunderzords, White Tigerzord, Ninja Megazord, Falconzord, Shogun Megazord. Together, that's 17 zords he lost under his leadership

He didn't permantly lose the most zords though. He made a mistake and lost the thunderzords. He lost the tigerzord as the result of that mistake as well. The Ninja Megazord he never lost. It was never really seen taken control of nor was it ever seen destroyed. It is probably still out there somewhere. The Falconzord, while stolen once, was retrieved. It is likely still out there too. He never lost the Shogun Megazord. Zedd got to it first and then they stole it from Zedd and Rita. These were never destroyed either. So all and all he only permantly lost 6 Zords as a leader. Now let's look at TJ. He lost the Turbo Zords and the Rescue Zords. That is 10 Zords right there. 2 sets of zords right there in about half a year. To make it worse they were 2 of the most powerful zords to ever had been created. Tommy lost his just after a year of being in command. But in the remaining 2 and half years, he did not lose any more Zords. Also on another interesting note, TJ as second in command in PRIS lost the Delta Megazord and the Mega Voyager. So that is an additional 6 Zords there. So he lost 16 Zords in just a year and half. Though I can understand why those Zords in PRIS were lost. That was unavoidable. That first 10 were avoidable though. lol. So yeah Tommy was not the worse about losing Zords. lol

He needed 5 Ranger powers and 4 Ranger colours to achieve a state that most Rangers, in under one Ranger power and colour, are debated to have reached.

Nah he only really needed 1 maybe 2. His green rangers days is mostly what helped him. Not to mention his non-morphed skills and the fact he dated some really hot females. lol. Before you say anything about non-morphed skills. He was just as good as Jason, if not a little better. He did a better job handling putties his first time non-morphed then Jason on his first time. Also I am convinced their first spar with each other was a little in Jason's favor. I think after morphing for the first time with power morphers, causes the power coins to enhance your physical abilities when they are not morphed. Just look at how Jason handles putties in the first episode before ever morphing then look at how he does a few episodes later not morphed. So he had a slight advantage over Tommy in that first spar and Tommy still didn't do to bad against him.

Now I know he has a lot of flaws. But let's face it, that is what helps make us human. He is probably one of the easiest character in PR to relate to. Which is one of the reasons he is so popular. Am I saying I think he is the best. No I don't. But he is one of the best. Though I think after seeing Dino Thunder that he may have been getting a little rusty in the fighting skills department. lol. Here is my list of who I think are the top 5 best rangers.

1. Billy
2. Adam
3. Andros
4. Tommy
5. Jason

As for who I think is most overrated. That would be the 3 spirit rangers on Jungle Fury. lol. It seems like a lot of people are liking them. Personally I really can't stand them. lol

Turbo_Red

11-06-2008, 06:23 PM

So I was sitting here reading through this entire topic and I just marvelled at some of the opinions expressed in here and while I can respect people's opinions on things, I can't respect people that use faulty logic and factually incorrect information to form those opinions. Let's just run through the list of things that I didn't agree with.

I hated Sky. All he cared about was himself. The only reason why he became red ranger was because:
1. Girls apparently can't move up in rank(as shown in the last episode)
2. There was no one else left(if you count reason #1)
Before people complain about #1, pointing out Doggie asking what if Syd became the leader, he was just pointing out the worst possible choice, to see how he would react.

This is probably the worst of what I've seen, or maybe the guy arguing his ridiculous reasons why Jason is overrated, anyway the very fact that it's left out that SPD's top dog (no pun) under Doggie at the very begining of the show is Charlie, you know A-Squad's female Red Ranger who clearly has not only been able to move up the ranks, but surpassed every other cadet there because she's the top dog on the top team in the entire organization. Not that I'm a huge Sky fan, but that's just some factually wrong information there.

My choice for overrated ranger goes to TJ (Turbo era). For me he wasn't exactly leadership material. Blowing the zords to pieces also showed his decision making wasn't great when faced with a crisis!

This isn't exactly factually wrong but I certainly disagree with this. First of all, Turbo is in the top 5 most hated seasons of all-time by the majority of the fans and the cast change is one of the biggest culprits for why so to say that TJ in that time period is overrated is just ridiculous. Secondly the fact that he spent half a season which wasn't even a full six months I don't believe as leader of a team with no one on it that had ever been a Ranger before and a little bastard kid that had more Ranger experience than all of them shows how good of a strategist and leader TJ is based on the fact that not one of them got killed during their time as Rangers. Thirdly even if blowing up the Rescue Zords was a bad decision (which it wasn't and I'll explain why soon) you can't really hold it against his decision making skills as one again he was new on the job and pretty much nobody in the history of the world ever starts off perfect unless your intials are J.C. for all our religous folk out there (of the faiths where he exists of course).

Now as for why blowing up the zords wasn't a bad idea. Well considering this creature was completely creaming them and as I'm pretty sure TJ mentioned in the cockpit before doing it (yet another detail people conviniently leave out to support their arguments) the Rescue Zords were pretty much damaged beyond repair by the asswhooping Goldgoyle was laying on them and once he'd actually absorbed their finishing blast from Artilliry Power (that had finished off so many monsters before him) and fired it back on them screwing up the zords even more it was a pretty wise decision to set off the zords self destruct while holding the guy and safely get away in the backup Turbo Zords thus still having a set of zords to defend the city with. But once the guy survived the blast without a scratch on him, exactly what were they supposed to do? Try to fight him on foot? Or use the Turbo Zords? Wouldn't common wisdom suggest that after everything they threw at him in the Rescue Zords(which was everything but the kitchen sink) he'd be weak enough to be finished off by the Turbo Zords? Of course it would! Saying it wouldn't is like watching a guy you have to fight get his ass handed to him by Mike Tyson (in his prime) for 20 minutes and then when Mike leaves you don't take advantage because you're still scared he might kick your ass. The Rangers try to hit him with the Turbo Megazord Spinout (again a move that has finished many, many monsters before them) and the guy just snapped their sword with his hand and just started wailing on them. It was pretty much unavoidable what happened to the Turbo/Rescue Zords, it's not like they could just leave in the middle of the fight and hope Goldgoyle would stop attacking the city while they took the weeks of fixing the zords that it probably would have took to even come close to fixing them.

I also agree that TJ is overrated. But not just for Turbo, for PRIS to. He gets credit for plans he didn't come up with (Justin's plan during the Turbo finale) and plans that didn't work(turning everybody blue vs. the psycho rangers). He also gets credit for taking control when Astronema switched sides even though his judgment against Karone was wrong and he ended up crashing the ship because his instincts that Karone was deceiving them was wrong.

Okay so I haven't seen the episodes in a while, but when the hell did TJ crash the Megaship? Secondly how can you hold it against TJ (especially when the other three Rangers were backing him) to not trust Karone who had spent the previous months trying to kill them? She was Andros' sister, big flippin whoop, for all they knew she knew that she was his sister the whole time and was still trying to kill them all the time, not to mention helping in the plan that would destroy the entire universe, but yes because it turns out in the end and to people watching the events transpire at home that she wasn't trying to trick them that makes the character in the situation TJ an overrated leader and second in command.

And how did his plan against the Pyschos not work when they beat them when they were all blue and the Pyschos couldn't tell them apart?

None of these quit.

Rocky injured so couldn't do it, that's not quiting.
Billy had no powers when he went so he didn't quit been been a ranger
Tommy, Kat, Adam and Tanya didn't quit. It was said they had come to the end of their cycle of been a ranger and was now free to live their lives. Also not quitting that's been forced to retire due to age, which was the rule then.

Also Kim quit like you said HOWEVER Kim gets points in hand picking Kat before she quit. When Jason, Zack and Trini quit they had no replacements in mind, Zordon chose them. Kim passed it on and made sure the team was ok before leaving. You get points for that in book.

You do realize that Billy quit being a Ranger at the beginning of Zeo right? Yeah he gave up his spot as a Ranger to help in another way...kind of like Jason and the others.

I also like how you attribute the fact that Tommy and crew leaving was passed down from Dimitria and Zordon so that they could persue other life goals, but when Jason, Zack and Trini were selected for the Peace Conference you don't make any mention of the fact that they were encouraged and just about pushed out the door by Zordon and the other Rangers despite their reservations about leaving the team.

Right. I'll offer my own reasons why Tommy is the most overrated Ranger in PR.

In his early Green Ranger days, his loyalty and focus to his mission and coworkers was very slack. His priotizing was way off, involving almost constantly being late for battle due to being off putting his personal life above his duties

I won't agree that he was always late to battles and stuff, but Zordon did always stress to never escalate battles unless they were forced to and considering that being new to the school and Angel Grove in general I'm pretty sure Tommy had a lot of adjustments that needed taking care of. Living arranagements since he appeared to have no parents, catching up to the rest of his classmates in school work that he missed due to...you know not attending that school from the begining of the year. Plus prior commitments he may have had in his old town or things that were set up for him to do in Angel Grove prior to moving there (after all he wasn't planning on being snatched in an alley by Rita before he moved there). With things like that no doubt on his plate he didn't actually get the chance to hang out with the other Rangers, so when shit went down and Zordon called, he just wasn't there with them, if they chose not to call him at the same time that they got called or Zordon didn't call him after calling the others, then you can't blame him for showing up after everybody else. When he was made aware of their need for help he got his ass in gear and got there.

He was given the opportunity to stop the Green Candle himself, by he let it slip through his fingers

So because Goldar spent the better part of a day kicking the crap out of him without him being able to morph he's overrated because he couldn't get to the candle that Goldar was beating him down for? I think I recall Jason having the very same problem when he went to get it.

After loosing his powers, he even distanced himself from his friends. Meaning that having powers seemed to be the only reason he chose to associate himself with his friends, not for the friendship

You're really reaching aren't you? As pointed out maybe because he felt like a useless bastard for not getting the candle? As someone else pointed out, maybe he had some things to work through for himself after all that, after all didn't Kimberly mention him being depressed about everything in the begining of one of his return episodes? In fact Tommy even mentioned in an episode after his return how much he'd missed them while they were away on break. Like winter break or something like that so yeah not like he's supposed to spend every waking moment with them.

Given temporary powers, he didn't conserve it's energy, use then wisely, and act mature about it. Instead, he whined and sulked almost every episode, and acted like a kid, until he got new powers

Again we're really reaching. All Tommy did was conserve that damn power when he had it. Every time the other Rangers were going to do something he wanted to go and was told to stay to conserve his energy. You're faulting him in one breath for never being on time and showing no loyalty to his friends as a result, but then turning around and faulting him for wanting to be out there with them to help them. Why don't you make up your mind and stop turning it into a lose/lose situation for the guy.

As leader, he failed to push others up and be a supporting leader, his approach was almost entirely selfish and economic

This part doesn't even make sense as I don't see how he's supposed to be a supporting leader and push others up. Exactly what's your criteria for that? I'm pretty sure no leader in Power Rangers has ever given pep talks to any of the other Rangers if that's where you're going with this and I'd still like to know what you mean by him being economic.

He lost the most zords under his leadership than any other Ranger team in history: Dino/Thunderzords, White Tigerzord, Ninja Megazord, Falconzord, Shogun Megazord. Together, that's 17 zords he lost under his leadership

I really wish people would just drop the losing zords argument as it's stupid as all hell. Especially in this instance. First of all the Dinozords were under Jason's leadership so that should only be Thunderzords, that's first and foremost. Secondly how the hell can you try to pin losing the Thunderzords/Tigerzord on just one person? Perhaps your mind needs jogging on this? So lets see, Rito shows up and lures the Rangers to where he is (keep in mind that one of the Command Center's sensors is out during this time) so as the Rangers morph and show up where Rito is he grows to giant size, they call the Zords and start fighting Rito in the middle of the fight the five other monsters that were camped out hiding in the woods (that the down sensor in the Command Center normally would have picked up) grow giant sized springing Zedd's trap and the six monsters beat down the zords and destroy them, exactly how is that Tommy's fault? Seriously explain to me how he can legitimately be held accountable for the loss of those zords when a trap is sprung on them?

As for the Ninjazords/Falconzord/Shogun Zords again, explain to me how Tommy is held accountable for that when Master Vile reverses time and changes them all into pre-teens and Goldar takes their power coins from them and crushes them to dust, thus causing those zords to be lost in time? Please how is that a flaw to Tommy to contribute to him being overrated?

He needed 5 Ranger powers and 4 Ranger colours to achieve a state that most Rangers, in under one Ranger power and colour, are debated to have reached.

In short, Tommy has too many flaws to be the best Ranger ever.

Seriously that entire post you made is a complete joke with some of the most ridicoulous claims in it I've ever seen.

Now let's look at TJ. He lost the Turbo Zords and the Rescue Zords. That is 10 Zords right there. 2 sets of zords right there in about half a year. To make it worse they were 2 of the most powerful zords to ever had been created. Tommy lost his just after a year of being in command. But in the remaining 2 and half years, he did not lose any more Zords. Also on another interesting note, TJ as second in command in PRIS lost the Delta Megazord and the Mega Voyager. So that is an additional 6 Zords there. So he lost 16 Zords in just a year and half. Though I can understand why those Zords in PRIS were lost. That was unavoidable. That first 10 were avoidable though. lol. So yeah Tommy was not the worse about losing Zords. lol

I already explained about the zords so I won't touch that here, but seriously? You're going to credit TJ as second in command for the lost of the Mega Voyager and Delta Megazord? I'm pretty sure that Andros was sitting in the front of the cockpit during both of those battles. Funny how you credit TJ with the lost of the Space and Turbo zords, but don't mention Carlos as credit for the Turbo stuff as he was second in command...seriously this is ridiculous.

Anyway with all that said I think the most overrated in the PR universe is definitely Adam. I like the guy but this guy get's godly praise from the fandom for a pretty crappy character. Though I have to admit he's had some amazing fight scenes.

Jiemusu

11-06-2008, 08:31 PM

Turbo_Red. Personally I think you need to take your head out of your ass. You quoted half the thread, just to bash and criticise them because their opinions, views, or even facts that happened in the show itself, don't agree with you, so you're claiming they're all wrong?

You're giving yourself too much credit, and also through being what I consider an asshat you've shown deep levels of hypocrisy. Allow me to illustrate.

I won't agree that he was always late to battles and stuff, but Zordon did always stress to never escalate battles unless they were forced to and considering that being new to the school and Angel Grove in general I'm pretty sure Tommy had a lot of adjustments that needed taking care of. Living arranagements since he appeared to have no parents, catching up to the rest of his classmates in school work that he missed due to...you know not attending that school from the begining of the year. Plus prior commitments he may have had in his old town or things that were set up for him to do in Angel Grove prior to moving there (after all he wasn't planning on being snatched in an alley by Rita before he moved there). With things like that no doubt on his plate he didn't actually get the chance to hang out with the other Rangers, so when shit went down and Zordon called, he just wasn't there with them, if they chose not to call him at the same time that they got called or Zordon didn't call him after calling the others, then you can't blame him for showing up after everybody else. When he was made aware of their need for help he got his ass in gear and got there.

Wait, so let me get this straight. In quotes below you criticized me for "stretching out" and accused basically half the thread for "faulty logic and factually incorrect information" while you're using completely fake evidence to support your statement. Tommy was catching up with schoolwork that he missed for half the year (factually incorrect), trying to find living arrangements (factually incorrect) in which none of these were hinted or even occured, when you've (obviously) completely ignored what we SEE Tommy doing when his friends needed him, practicing karate, trying out for television auditions. Those are facts, what you are using to support Tommy's slack duties are scenarios you've pretty much pulled out your ass, and then you accuse other members of having faulty information? Get real.

So because Goldar spent the better part of a day kicking the crap out of him without him being able to morph he's overrated because he couldn't get to the candle that Goldar was beating him down for? I think I recall Jason having the very same problem when he went to get it.

His power, his responsibility. While you could argue that because Jason is the leader, it was his duty to get the candle as team leader (since Tommy was told by Zordon he couldn't go back into the Dark Dimension, but that doesn't fully justify Tommy's failed attempt at getting the candle while he was in that dimension at the time). No one asked him to beat Goldar, but he had the chance to save his powers himself. Note how Jason wasn't even ready to leave (Zack forced him out) and found the decision incredibly tough, Tommy just grabbed Goldar's sword (he did that pretty easy, but not the candle, yes no?) and got out of there pretty fast.

You're really reaching aren't you? As pointed out maybe because he felt like a useless bastard for not getting the candle? As someone else pointed out, maybe he had some things to work through for himself after all that, after all didn't Kimberly mention him being depressed about everything in the begining of one of his return episodes? In fact Tommy even mentioned in an episode after his return how much he'd missed them while they were away on break. Like winter break or something like that so yeah not like he's supposed to spend every waking moment with them.

Well first of all, I illustrated you reaching out before, so we'll skip that hypocrisy in this paragraph.

OOoo just because Tommy says something means it's true. How naive are you lol?

But seriously, of course he's going to say that then. Two reasons, he wasn't exactly going to say "I didn't really miss you all, but it's good to have the power back" is he? Use your head. Second of all, Tommy had, in theory anyway, grown up and come back a different and more sensitive person. That changed again in White Light, but hey.

Again we're really reaching. All Tommy did was conserve that damn power when he had it. Every time the other Rangers were going to do something he wanted to go and was told to stay to conserve his energy. You're faulting him in one breath for never being on time and showing no loyalty to his friends as a result, but then turning around and faulting him for wanting to be out there with them to help them. Why don't you make up your mind and stop turning it into a lose/lose situation for the guy.

I love how, when you don't agree with something based on what's seen in the show, you feel the need to label it as reaching far. Again, I illustrated how you're reaching far with evidence not even factual, but out of nowhere, above.

I have made up my mind, it's just you're reading it with the intent of generic fallacy, do you know what that means? It means you're reading it with the intent on questioning pretty much anything that doesn't suit your fancy, like you're purposely picking it out of member's opinions, rejecting ideas based on you not agreeing with it, ignoring their merits, it's an error in reasoning. If it was just me, I wouldn't care, but you did it with four other members, and I cannot have that.

It's a lose/lose situation because Tommy, in perspective, is up the crapper.

This part doesn't even make sense as I don't see how he's supposed to be a supporting leader and push others up. Exactly what's your criteria for that? I'm pretty sure no leader in Power Rangers has ever given pep talks to any of the other Rangers if that's where you're going with this and I'd still like to know what you mean by him being economic.

Doesn't make sense because of your generic fallacy, clearly.

Oh and you want leaders that gave pep talks? Jason, Jack, Wes (if you consider him a field leader) and Shane (technically), to name four. The criteria for a good and supporting leader is one that doesn't treat something for an egoboost, treating their members like people rather than aid. Jack wasn't like this early on in SPD but he changed and adapted towards it more. Yes, pep talks, one on one support, Tommy didn't. Economic meaning self-fufilling, selfish.

I really wish people would just drop the losing zords argument as it's stupid as all hell. Especially in this instance. First of all the Dinozords were under Jason's leadership so that should only be Thunderzords, that's first and foremost. Secondly how the hell can you try to pin losing the Thunderzords/Tigerzord on just one person? Perhaps your mind needs jogging on this? So lets see, Rito shows up and lures the Rangers to where he is (keep in mind that one of the Command Center's sensors is out during this time) so as the Rangers morph and show up where Rito is he grows to giant size, they call the Zords and start fighting Rito in the middle of the fight the five other monsters that were camped out hiding in the woods (that the down sensor in the Command Center normally would have picked up) grow giant sized springing Zedd's trap and the six monsters beat down the zords and destroy them, exactly how is that Tommy's fault? Seriously explain to me how he can legitimately be held accountable for the loss of those zords when a trap is sprung on them?

So I should drop it because you think it's stupid? Hmm, no. You're treating people's opinions and views with no respect, why should they do the same to you?

The Dinozords were remade to build the Thunderzords, THEY ARE THE SAME ZORDS, ergo Tommy lost them with the Thunderzords.

And why was he at fault with the Thunderzords and Tigerzords? He was the leader, it's his responsibility the day he first held the sword of Saba, being a leader has it's price. To avoid contradicting what I said earlier, each of the other Rangers also (in a way) were responsible for their Zords. Maybe I was being rational and placing the Thunderzords on Tommy's blame when he wasn't controlling it, that still puts him in responsibility of the Tigerzord. Also why didn't Tommy call Tor? Bring in a little Thunder Ultrazord action? Bad decision, a bad leadership.

As for the Ninjazords/Falconzord/Shogun Zords again, explain to me how Tommy is held accountable for that when Master Vile reverses time and changes them all into pre-teens and Goldar takes their power coins from them and crushes them to dust, thus causing those zords to be lost in time? Please how is that a flaw to Tommy to contribute to him being overrated?

His leadership, his responsibility. Same goes for any Ranger. Being a leader isn't always a high.

Seriously that entire post you made is a complete joke with some of the most ridicoulous claims in it I've ever seen.

Great debating skills, not. Or maybe you just wanted to be disrespectful and couldn't think of anything funny or clever to say. We dealt with your own ridiculous claims in an earlier paragraph, I suggest you read it.

I also suggest you reread all your posts in future.

King

11-06-2008, 09:44 PM

Okay so I haven't seen the episodes in a while, but when the hell did TJ crash the Megaship? Secondly how can you hold it against TJ (especially when the other three Rangers were backing him) to not trust Karone who had spent the previous months trying to kill them? She was Andros' sister, big flippin whoop, for all they knew she knew that she was his sister the whole time and was still trying to kill them all the time, not to mention helping in the plan that would destroy the entire universe, but yes because it turns out in the end and to people watching the events transpire at home that she wasn't trying to trick them that makes the character in the situation TJ an overrated leader and second in command.

And how did his plan against the Pyschos not work when they beat them when they were all blue and the Pyschos couldn't tell them apart?

If you haven't seen the episode in a while don't take that tone when calling BS on whats said about the episode when you're obviously not 100% sure you know what you are talking about. In "The rangers leap of Faith" Tj crashed the ship. Basically what happened was the rangers and Astronema came up with a plan to act like Astronema had captured them so they could easily enter the planet (there was a force field keeping them from it) that they though Zordon was on. After they convinced Dark Spector that she had captured them a bunch of quadra fighters proceeded to escort them down on the planet. Tj out of nowhere got a strange feeling that it was a trap or something so without mentioning it to anybody he totally ditches the plan and attempts to lose the quadra fighters. Thats when he crashed the ship because in attempting to lose the quadra fighters they got struck by lightning.

As for not trusting Astronema, I hold it against TJ(and the other 3) because nobody ever gave her a chance. They didn't even consider the fact that she could be telling the truth. They spent no time trying where as Andros basically spent the night with her talking. We've had villains switch sides more then once in PR history. We can make a whole thread discussing all the bad guys/girls who have switched sides but the difference between Astronema and the others who have switched is that most of them didn't get as much shit as Tj, Carlos, Cassie, and Ashely gave to her.

His plan didn't work because they were still getting there asses beat when they all dressed up in blue. There was a point in that battle where Psycho blue was beating them all single handedly while the other 3 just stood and watched....The reason why they beat them that day wasn't because of them dressing up as blue it was because of Zhane dressing up as psycho silver. When Zhane showed up Psycho blue told red and black to leave so he could handle Psycho silver alone. After the other two left it became a 6 on 1 battle in which Psycho blue got killed in. In reality, they didn't even need Tj's plan. All they needed was Zhane to do what he did as Psycho silver and it would have had the same effect.

Izout

11-07-2008, 12:13 AM

As for the Ninjazords/Falconzord/Shogun Zords again, explain to me how Tommy is held accountable for that when Master Vile reverses time and changes them all into pre-teens and Goldar takes their power coins from them and crushes them to dust, thus causing those zords to be lost in time? Please how is that a flaw to Tommy to contribute to him being overrated?
Plus, that happen when BILLY was the leader. It was said in the Alien ranger saga because Billy grew to full size again, Billy took over the role and said " I'm sorry but I am older than you " to Tommy.
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Oh, and I say the most overrated is Jason. The dude did nothing special as a Red Ranger and outside of Missing Green, whenever the guy tried to do anything majorly important, he always failed. But the guy always gets so much praise "becuz he was teh furst!!1!!11!" Wow, whoopty-friggin'-doo. Hell, the guy was even the first Red Ranger anyway, Rocko was.

Turbo_Red

11-07-2008, 06:13 AM

Turbo_Red. Personally I think you need to take your head out of your ass. You quoted half the thread, just to bash and criticise them because their opinions, views, or even facts that happened in the show itself, don't agree with you, so you're claiming they're all wrong?

You're giving yourself too much credit, and also through being what I consider an asshat you've shown deep levels of hypocrisy. Allow me to illustrate.

Wow...umm extreme much? First of all what's with the personal attacks and name calling? Asshat? My head up my ass? How is it you're using these words to describe me apparently critcizing people's opinion yet you're calling me names and what not for expressing my opinions. I never said what I was saying was law and I didn't say everything that was said in the posts that I quoted was wrong, I said that there was some factually wrong information that people were using to form their opinions which I didn't agree with. You know we are allowed to not agree with people's opinions? You're basically telling me that if I don't agree with someone's opinion I should shut the hell up and not voice what I feel differently about. Also for the record, considering this topic was 10 pages long before I even replied in it and I only address like three people in it shows how I didn't criticize half the thread. And since you're so smart why don't you learn what critizing someone means. I gave my opinions and why I disagreed with your opinions and you're trying to make me out as a bad guy for it or something and saying I'm criticizing people for doing what you're supposed to do on a message board, share opinions.

Wait, so let me get this straight. In quotes below you criticized me for "stretching out" and accused basically half the thread for "faulty logic and factually incorrect information" while you're using completely fake evidence to support your statement. Tommy was catching up with schoolwork that he missed for half the year (factually incorrect), trying to find living arrangements (factually incorrect) in which none of these were hinted or even occured, when you've (obviously) completely ignored what we SEE Tommy doing when his friends needed him, practicing karate, trying out for television auditions. Those are facts, what you are using to support Tommy's slack duties are scenarios you've pretty much pulled out your ass, and then you accuse other members of having faulty information? Get real.

Alrighty then let's go ahead here shall we. First of all you're trying to generalize my comments to fit your particular argument, I was talking about you stretching by trying to connect Tommy's lack of appearance on the show after losing his powers to him not giving a shit about the other Rangers and was only hanging with them because of the powers. That my friend is a stretch as opposed to me (not saying it as a fact) just throwing out the idea that maybe Tommy being late was because of the things that I listed which are actually things that occur to people in real life when moving to a new city or state or even country for that matter, there's a lot of adjusting that goes on. Since we're talking about the characters lives in the show and not looking at this like a tv show, you can't just go only by what we see on screen. The Rangers obviously had battles inbetween episodes and things obviously took place that wasn't always showed on camera, but in the character's lives things like what I suggested more than likely helped contribute to Tommy being late. But hey, nice attempt at trying to make me out as a hypocrite with something I never stated as a fact and trying to equate that to me using what you said about him not caring about the others as you reaching for a reason to call him overrated. Also funny how you say practicing karate and television auditions and not mentioning how several of those shots we see for Tommy's lateness is Tommy teaching karate classes, being attacked by Putties, tied to a tree while the others are trying to contact them, knocked unconcious by attacking monsters or the like but rather you make it out like every time Tommy was late he was wrecklessly doing something like practicing and ignoring his friends or trying out for commercials. Very nice way to bend the truth there, impressive form my good man.

His power, his responsibility. While you could argue that because Jason is the leader, it was his duty to get the candle as team leader (since Tommy was told by Zordon he couldn't go back into the Dark Dimension, but that doesn't fully justify Tommy's failed attempt at getting the candle while he was in that dimension at the time). No one asked him to beat Goldar, but he had the chance to save his powers himself. Note how Jason wasn't even ready to leave (Zack forced him out) and found the decision incredibly tough, Tommy just grabbed Goldar's sword (he did that pretty easy, but not the candle, yes no?) and got out of there pretty fast.

Again funny how you don't mention that neither Tommy nor the other Rangers even took Goldar's threat serious about the candle taking his powers. When Tommy was in there he was worried about getting out of there with his life. When he told the Rangers about it they were saying that Goldar was just messing with his head, that it was impossible to take his powers. Of course Zordon stepped in and told them that it was possible. So really how can you try to knock Tommy for taking his chance to get out of the dimension with his life over a threat that at the time wasn't even believed to be possible and then try to prop up Jason for not wanting to leave the dimension after it's known that the threat was very real. You also fail to mention how while they were doing that, Tommy was risking his life fighting a monster alone. And how can you say nobody asked him to beat Goldar? Goldar was pretty much saying that he had to beat Goldar to get the candle and get out of there! He managed to get in a good move and got hold of Goldar's sword and got out of there before he got killed and even then he didn't get past Goldar he just managed to grab his sword while they were locked up and transported the both of them out of there.

Well first of all, I illustrated you reaching out before, so we'll skip that hypocrisy in this paragraph.

Awww still trying to make me out as a hypocrite because of something you said?

OOoo just because Tommy says something means it's true. How naive are you lol?

But seriously, of course he's going to say that then. Two reasons, he wasn't exactly going to say "I didn't really miss you all, but it's good to have the power back" is he? Use your head. Second of all, Tommy had, in theory anyway, grown up and come back a different and more sensitive person. That changed again in White Light, but hey.

Umm are you serious? This is why I'm saying YOU'RE REACHING. You're trying to push off Tommy being overrated based on him being absent in the beginning of battles and then saying that he was absent because he didn't give a crap about the others (nevermind the fact that one of them was his girlfriend and one was his best friend, so with at least two of them that crap definitely isn't true at all) that's a reach. Not me equating actual real life factors into something that happened in the show, like him saying he missed them while they were all away on break and equating that to the real life breaks that schools have, Christmas, Thanksgiving and the like. But again, nice job trying to turn it around and make me out as a hypocrite because you're doing whatever you can to justify your opinion of Tommy being overrated.

I love how, when you don't agree with something based on what's seen in the show, you feel the need to label it as reaching far. Again, I illustrated how you're reaching far with evidence not even factual, but out of nowhere, above.

I have made up my mind, it's just you're reading it with the intent of generic fallacy, do you know what that means? It means you're reading it with the intent on questioning pretty much anything that doesn't suit your fancy, like you're purposely picking it out of member's opinions, rejecting ideas based on you not agreeing with it, ignoring their merits, it's an error in reasoning. If it was just me, I wouldn't care, but you did it with four other members, and I cannot have that.

It's a lose/lose situation because Tommy, in perspective, is up the crapper.

Well look at that instead of arguing the point that I made you try to question my intellegence and start lecturing me on the meaning of fallacy. Again what you said wasn't based on the show and I pointed out exactly what happened in the show that countered the crap you were saying about him not conserving his powers and how you were basically faulting him for "not helping" and then faulting him for trying to help in the same post and so you come with the classic retort of questioning someone's intellegence and taking the conversation completely away from the point to something else. You sir are very skilled at the art of BSing, I appluad you. And for the record I came to this topic late, it was already at 10 pages when I made a reply, I saw some things that I disagreed with so I commented on them, that's what the purpose of a message board is smartass, sharing opinions and discussing ones disagreements or agreements with said opinions, so you can stop trying to make it seem like I did something wrong by commenting on some posts with my opinions, again that I never once said was a fact. And no, leaders in Power Rangers did not sit around giving pep talks to the other Rangers, if I'm wrong I'll gladly admit it if you can give some actual proof of others doing it and Tommy not doing it. Anyway I'm done arguing with you as you clearly are only out to justify your ridiculous reasons for calling Tommy overrated.

If you haven't seen the episode in a while don't take that tone when calling BS on whats said about the episode when you're obviously not 100% sure you know what you are talking about. In "The rangers leap of Faith" Tj crashed the ship. Basically what happened was the rangers and Astronema came up with a plan to act like Astronema had captured them so they could easily enter the planet (there was a force field keeping them from it) that they though Zordon was on. After they convinced Dark Spector that she had captured them a bunch of quadra fighters proceeded to escort them down on the planet. Tj out of nowhere got a strange feeling that it was a trap or something so without mentioning it to anybody he totally ditches the plan and attempts to lose the quadra fighters. Thats when he crashed the ship because in attempting to lose the quadra fighters they got struck by lightning.

As for not trusting Astronema, I hold it against TJ(and the other 3) because nobody ever gave her a chance. They didn't even consider the fact that she could be telling the truth. They spent no time trying where as Andros basically spent the night with her talking. We've had villains switch sides more then once in PR history. We can make a whole thread discussing all the bad guys/girls who have switched sides but the difference between Astronema and the others who have switched is that most of them didn't get as much shit as Tj, Carlos, Cassie, and Ashely gave to her.

His plan didn't work because they were still getting there asses beat when they all dressed up in blue. There was a point in that battle where Psycho blue was beating them all single handedly while the other 3 just stood and watched....The reason why they beat them that day wasn't because of them dressing up as blue it was because of Zhane dressing up as psycho silver. When Zhane showed up Psycho blue told red and black to leave so he could handle Psycho silver alone. After the other two left it became a 6 on 1 battle in which Psycho blue got killed in. In reality, they didn't even need Tj's plan. All they needed was Zhane to do what he did as Psycho silver and it would have had the same effect.

Right, you're right about the ship. I forgot about that haha. After rereading my post a few times I guess my tone was a bit misleading for how I was trying to address things. However I still disagree about the Psycho thing, I remember that episode and while when TJ simply tried fighting a different color didn't work at first, when they all showed up Blue it worked. Yellow just left, Pink was gone already and the remaining Psycho's were so obssesed about trying to find the right color that they weren't at their best and TJ blasted them while they were trying to fight the others which gave the Rangers the upperhand in the fight. Zhane showed up right after the Rangers got the upperhand and knocked them around a bit before Psycho Blue attacked Black and Red and got them to leave. The fact that TJ's plan led to the seperation and destruction of another of the Psychos shows that it worked, regardless of Zhane showing up to help finish off the job, the plan was to get the Psycho's off their game and confused by not knowing which Ranger was which and TJ's plan did that. I just don't see how it can be argued that it didn't work.

bulkmier65

11-07-2008, 01:06 PM

Economic meaning self-fufilling, selfish.

definition of economic via dictionary.com:

1. pertaining to the production, distribution, and use of income, wealth, and commodities.
2. of or pertaining to the science of economics.
3. pertaining to an economy, or system of organization or operation, esp. of the process of production.
4. involving or pertaining to one's personal resources of money: to give up a large house for economic reasons.
5. pertaining to use as a resource in the economy: economic entomology; economic botany.
6. affecting or apt to affect the welfare of material resources: weevils and other economic pests.

not trying to be a jerk or anything, just pointed it out cause it's been bugging me:p, I thing you mean egomaniac.

King

11-07-2008, 02:27 PM

Right, you're right about the ship. I forgot about that haha. After rereading my post a few times I guess my tone was a bit misleading for how I was trying to address things. However I still disagree about the Psycho thing, I remember that episode and while when TJ simply tried fighting a different color didn't work at first, when they all showed up Blue it worked. Yellow just left, Pink was gone already and the remaining Psycho's were so obssesed about trying to find the right color that they weren't at their best and TJ blasted them while they were trying to fight the others which gave the Rangers the upperhand in the fight. Zhane showed up right after the Rangers got the upperhand and knocked them around a bit before Psycho Blue attacked Black and Red and got them to leave. The fact that TJ's plan led to the seperation and destruction of another of the Psychos shows that it worked, regardless of Zhane showing up to help finish off the job, the plan was to get the Psycho's off their game and confused by not knowing which Ranger was which and TJ's plan did that. I just don't see how it can be argued that it didn't work.

Thats the thing though. His plan didn't lead to the separation. His plan led to the rangers getting there ass kicked with the exception of each psycho getting blasted once right before psycho silver showed up. What lead to the separation was the silver psycho ranger. Ask yourself why Psycho black and red left. Was it because they were all blue or because psycho blue decided to take on silver alone? The episode makes it clear that it was the latter.

I don't see how you can say his plan did work. Its true that them all being blue confused the psycho's but overall it didn't do shit. They were confused and yet still beating there asses. The PRIS rangers were still losing the fight until Zhane showed up. They got those shots in at the end but what makes you think getting shot once would have led to a range victory without the Zhane plan?

Jiemusu

11-07-2008, 05:04 PM

definition of economic via dictionary.com:

1. pertaining to the production, distribution, and use of income, wealth, and commodities.
2. of or pertaining to the science of economics.
3. pertaining to an economy, or system of organization or operation, esp. of the process of production.
4. involving or pertaining to one's personal resources of money: to give up a large house for economic reasons.
5. pertaining to use as a resource in the economy: economic entomology; economic botany.
6. affecting or apt to affect the welfare of material resources: weevils and other economic pests.

not trying to be a jerk or anything, just pointed it out cause it's been bugging me:p, I thing you mean egomaniac.

No worries, I can see the confusion.

But no, I do mean economic. In socialist terms, Tommy acts as the superstructure and the economy, while his 'subordinates' act as the base, or production, that shape him. In return, Tommy maintains the base, i.e. the Rangers. What I was suggesting is that Tommy's leadership seemed to be entirely based on that generic model, where other leaders (Jack towards the later part of SPD, Wes, Shane, Jason) were not.

Basically, because Tommy is the superstructure AND the economy, he ends up benefiting himself, to a selfish point. That's basically my point.

I'm not angry at you checking the definition, because it can appear confusing outside of a sociologic perspective. SO don't worry, that's alright. =D

Turbo_Red

11-07-2008, 06:21 PM

Thats the thing though. His plan didn't lead to the separation. His plan led to the rangers getting there ass kicked with the exception of each psycho getting blasted once right before psycho silver showed up. What lead to the separation was the silver psycho ranger. Ask yourself why Psycho black and red left. Was it because they were all blue or because psycho blue decided to take on silver alone? The episode makes it clear that it was the latter.

I don't see how you can say his plan did work. Its true that them all being blue confused the psycho's but overall it didn't do shit. They were confused and yet still beating there asses. The PRIS rangers were still losing the fight until Zhane showed up. They got those shots in at the end but what makes you think getting shot once would have led to a range victory without the Zhane plan?

But you're giving Zhane all the credit now. If it was as simple as Zhane showing up as Silver and the others just leaving because Blue told them to then of course, they would have just done that from the start. But can you seriously say that if the Rangers weren't all one color, they were their normal selves the other Psycho's would have just left cause Psycho Blue said he wanted to take care of Psycho Silver? Of course not, they were obssesed with their Ranger counterparts. The reason they left is because they didn't know which Ranger was which and so there was really no point in possibly getting their asses kicked by Psycho Silver when they couldn't even guarantee that they'd get the Ranger they were after. Psycho Yellow didn't even bother to try to fight because she didn't know which one was Yellow, that alone makes TJ's plan a success because it made the numbers five to three. That's not even touching the fact that up until the point that he figured out that they needed to fight against opposite colors the fights between the Psychos and the Rangers weren't even close the Rangers were getting completely trashed every time. Plus I wouldn't exactly say they were getting their asses beat, sure Psycho Blue knocked them all down at one point, but regular Monsters have done that to Ranger teams before and we never say said Monster was beating the team's ass.

Again the Rangers were able to get the upperhand in the fight before Zhane showed up, that wasn't the case in the previous fights with the Psychos where everything they did was met with the Psychos kicking the crap out of them. I guess in the end it all comes down to how you define an asswhoopin lol. But yeah there's no way the Psycho's would be so willing to leave the fight just cause Blue said so if they can clearly see "they're" Ranger right there.

King

11-07-2008, 07:02 PM

I'm not giving all the credit to Zhane. I called it the Zhane plan because it involved mostly him but I wasn't trying to give him the credit for it. I don't think any of the 6 should get more credit then the other in that situation because it wasn't clear who came up what the Zhane thing.

Yes, I do think if the rangers were in there normal colors everything would have transpired in pretty much the same way with the exception of Psycho yellow would have been there. After psycho silver showed up the rangers colors played no part in what the psycho's were doing because they shifted all of there attention to psycho silver. They realized that some new competition was in town to take out "their" rangers and they wanted to take him out first. When Psycho blue attacked them and told them to leave they did it out of spite and because Psycho blue would have been basically doing the dirty work form them by taking out silver. But by no means did they leave because they were worried about getting there ass kicked by psycho silver. They were in the process of charging him before psycho blue attacked them and there was no worry in them at all. Also, not knowing which ranger was which didn't play a factor in them leaving because something as little as that wouldn't keep them from looking. The only reason why Yellow stayed behind was because she realized that Red, Black, and Blue would eventually find there ranger and when they were done it would be simple for her to find Ashely. All she basically had to do was wait for Red, black, and blue to get done searching.

Psycho blue did way more then just knock them down. In fact, it was the other way around. All the rangers basically did was knock the psycho's down compared to the psycho's who were trashing the rangers, throwing them around, slashing them with there axe and swords, etc... I agree that the Psycho's wouldn't leave just because psycho blue said so if it was about the rangers. Whether they were in there normal colors or all blue they wouldn't have left if it was a battle against the rangers. But they didn't leave to let him fight the rangers. They left to let him fight the competition, which was psycho silver.

SylvanGenesis

11-08-2008, 05:10 AM

Not getting into this.