Who is the best ranger ever and why?

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The title is pretty self explanatory.

I'm torn between Andros and Billy.

Andros never gave up on Karone, even when his team did, and in the end doing the right thing by not giving up on her led him to Zordon which in turn helped save the universe against all the baddies previous teams couldn't stop. He also continued to serve as a ranger after C2D and IMO should have been the leader in Forever red since he was the one tracking the machine empire while spikey was sitting by a pool chillin....Also, I think Andros was the most versatile ranger we've seen.

On the other hand, Billy may have been the most important person to the MMPR team as well as the smartest ranger in PR history. He created a device as a rookie ranger that spread beyond his years as a ranger and during the alien ranger saga he pretty much took that MMPR team by the balls and helped dig them out of a huge hole after there loss to Vile, Zedd, and the other bone heads.

[Chriz]

*sigh* I know this will get me flamed or whatever but I say Tommy. He never gave up even when loosing his powers, He pretty much saved the day on his own a couple of times e.g Return of an old friend (sure zordon gave him power but that imo is no different than rangers getting their powers else where what matters is what he did with it) He lead the most teams and even Mentored one.


Yes he made mistakes BUT most of those were Green days when he was starting and that doesn't change who he became.

"Wow. So, that was Tommy. He really is the greatest Ranger!" ―Cole Evans (NO that quote doesn't prove anything I just wanted to add it.)

[Legendary.]

Justin. He did so much for his team.

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"Wow. So, that was Tommy. He really is the greatest Ranger!" ―Cole Evans (NO that quote doesn't prove anything I just wanted to add it.)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha -the other red rangers in response to Cole Evans.

That quote does prove something :D

[Jiemusu]

The title is pretty self explanatory.

I'm torn between Andros and Billy.

Andros never gave up on Karone, even when his team did, and in the end doing the right thing by not giving up on her led him to Zordon which in turn helped save the universe against all the baddies previous teams couldn't stop. He also continued to serve as a ranger after C2D and IMO should have been the leader in Forever red since he was the one tracking the machine empire while spikey was sitting by a pool chillin....Also, I think Andros was the most versatile ranger we've seen.

On the other hand, Billy may have been the most important person to the MMPR team as well as the smartest ranger in PR history. He created a device as a rookie ranger that spread beyond his years as a ranger and during the alien ranger saga he pretty much took that MMPR team by the balls and helped dig them out of a huge hole after there loss to Vile, Zedd, and the other bone heads.

Hell, second'd, no third.

I'm still mulling over who I think is the greatest, but damn these two sure are being snapped up for candidates, for reasons you said.

*sigh* I know this will get me flamed or whatever but I say Tommy. He never gave up even when loosing his powers, He pretty much saved the day on his own a couple of times e.g Return of an old friend (sure zordon gave him power but that imo is no different than rangers getting their powers else where what matters is what he did with it) He lead the most teams and even Mentored one.


Yes he made mistakes BUT most of those were Green days when he was starting and that doesn't change who he became.

"Wow. So, that was Tommy. He really is the greatest Ranger!" ―Cole Evans (NO that quote doesn't prove anything I just wanted to add it.)

No flaming on my watch.

Even though he's overhyped, you hold good points, and most people annoyed of the overhype tend to ignore the things he DID do amazingly, of which you said.

Although I'm risky of labelling him one of the greatest straight away because he didn't just make mistakes as green, he made alot as white too, and took too long to correct his list of mistakes, and other rangers have done better in a shorter time. So, sure he's a very good ranger, but the balance personally prevents me from rating him too high, if you get me.

But damn, even if he's overhyped, he's accomplished the most, even above the mistakes.

Justin. He did so much for his team.

For his age, his duration was impressive for the least. Wouldn't say best though.

[Legendary.]

It was more of a personal thing.

[Chriz]

No flaming on my watch.

Even though he's overhyped, you hold good points, and most people annoyed of the overhype tend to ignore the things he DID do amazingly, of which you said.

Although I'm risky of labelling him one of the greatest straight away because he didn't just make mistakes as green, he made alot as white too, and took too long to correct his list of mistakes, and other rangers have done better in a shorter time. So, sure he's a very good ranger, but the balance personally prevents me from rating him too high, if you get me.

But damn, even if he's overhyped, he's accomplished the most, even above the mistakes..


That is true but I think the end justifies the means so to speak. He had what? 3 seasons with mistakes (mainly due to stock footage but they count story wise) however their are some things to consider

1) All the others (and most in the 17 years) are recruited or selected by the mentor or powers. He wasn't he was kinda forced into it by rita. So he would logicly have the most to learn

2) During the mistakes he still did a lot of good and even had 2 1/2 full seasons of no mistakes.

3) He is the only ranger to care enough to keep tracks on everyone at all times in case he's needed as seen in legacy of power when he kept up todate with everything and forever red when he recruited the red rangers and made sure the threat was dealt


So while it can be argued he wasn't the best at first he did become the best at that's what matters.IMO.

[Renzo]

Billy. The Rangers would have had their collective asses pwned several times if it wasn't for his asspulls... i mean, his gadgets and inventiveness

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I think Tommy is definitely a great ranger. Top 5 without a doubt. But I think he made to many mistakes to be considered the greatest ever.

As green ranger he was constantly late to battles and as white ranger he led the team to losing two sets of powers in the same season. IMO he was best as zeo ranger 5. He led his team to victory and didn't make to many mistakes during the season. As a turbo ranger I thought he fell off a little bit and alpha 6 even had to give him a lecture when dimitria wouldn't tell him how to do his job, but he was still good. As a DT ranger he was decent. But that whole getting frozen in amber thing by somebody whose been a ranger for like 3 days and sitting back doing absolutely nothing when the ninja storm rangers were ripping the DT's 3 new assholes kind of lowered his stock. Not to mention the fact that the whole DT season was Tommy's (and mercer's) fault...

I would take Billy, Andros, Trey, and Jason over him any day.

[ForeverBlue]

Best Rangers: Jason, Tommy, Adam, Kim, Kat Hillard, TJ (in PRiS only), Ashley (in PRiS only), Cassie (in PRiS only), Andros, Jen, Wes, Eric, Tori, Kira, RJ, Summer and Dillion

[Jiemusu]

Why people think Adam is a candidate for best ranger ever is something that'll confuse me for years.

I mean like, he didn't do that much.

[Legendary.]

Why people think Adam is a candidate for best ranger ever is something that'll confuse me for years.

I mean like, he didn't do that much.

Quoted for truth. All he did was keep coming back. If this is the case...I vote for Karone <_< cuz literally all she did was show up to redeem herself and carry a sword. Shit she only got one morph sequence that entire season right?

Although the leather was win.

[Gauntlet_Ranger]

best of all time Tommy for the reasons already stated and the plain and simple fact that he is THE ONLY RANGER to possess 6 powers, 4 colors but 6 powers thats awesome

[Jiemusu]

best of all time Tommy for the reasons already stated and the plain and simple fact that he is THE ONLY RANGER to possess 6 powers, 4 colors but 6 powers thats awesome

Wouldn't say that dosing someone up on as many powers as they had makes them any more awesome than other rangers.

The way you word it, it doesn't exactly go in Tommy's favour if he needed to be given several ranger designations over many colours and seasons to achieve something that other rangers probably did with one colour, one season, one power for example.

Not saying Tommy is bad but, using the "he's been 6 rangers" approach doesn't really look good if ends up needing it to be cool, if you dig me.

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Why people think Adam is a candidate for best ranger ever is something that'll confuse me for years.

I mean like, he didn't do that much.

Adam is one of the longest serving rangers who is probably also one of the best fighters in PR history. Hell, even before becoming a ranger he was fighting putties and helping the rangers out on multiple occasions. He also single handedly kept another ranger from another team from quitting. In addition to that he taught a fellow ranger how to fight, occasionally acted as SIC in his zeo days, and led a team of random rangers against Zedd and Rita's son in PROO. Adam is one of the most solid rangers we've ever seen and he almost always stayed focus on the task at hand. The fact that he had a dull and shy personality should not take away from that. I am not saying that he is the best ranger ever, but he is definitely up there.

[Jiemusu]

Adam is one of the longest serving rangers who is probably also one of the best fighters in PR history. Hell, even before becoming a ranger he was fighting putties and helping the rangers out on multiple occasions. He also single handedly kept another ranger from another team from quitting. In addition to that he taught a fellow ranger how to fight, occasionally acted as SIC in his zeo days, and led a team of random rangers against Zedd and Rita's son in PROO. Adam is one of the most solid rangers we've ever seen and he almost always stayed focus on the task at hand. The fact that he had a dull and shy personality should not take away from that. I am not saying that he is the best ranger ever, but he is definitely up there.

Longest serving doesn't always mean something though I give you the point that the long service certainly contributes, as well as his fighting skill. But it doesn't seem enough.

While he fought putties before he was even a ranger, Rocky and Aisha did the same.

I admit stopping another ranger from quitting and training a fellow ranger up was admirable, but that was one episode out of Adam's entire duration. And as far as I can see, the only noticable interesting thing Adam did with an impressive nature, for me anyway. That's one episode. It's impressive but, it's not enough for the best ranger ever, or one of the best.

Alot of people act as SIC, doesn't make Adam that special. On top of that, practically the entire squad each acted as SIC at some point in Zeo, in fact Jason, Rocky and Kat probably acted more of a SIC than Adam.

He did lead the team in OAR but it didn't impress me. Anyone could have done that, what Adam did was generic for the Disney era. Stand at the front, dose up on power ups and disregard skill. Yeah, Adam's "developed" character in OAR dosed up on power ups a lot, which decreases any admiration I could have had for him then because the old Adam had honour. Major downgrade. A ranger needing power ups doesn't scream "one of the best" to me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you think he's one the best. I'm just saying personally, I don't think he should really be "up that high" in terms of specifically being a "ranger". Each to their own though.

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Longest serving means a lot when the time you served was solid. He's not like Tommy to where he spent part of his service being late to battles and frozen in amber. He was always an active member of the team who did exactly what he was suppose to do and some. He always stayed focused on the task at hand while rarely, if ever, letting outside distractions get in the way. He was probably the most solid, consistent, and focused ranger in PR history.

It's true that Rocky and Aisha fought for the rangers prior to actually being a ranger just like Adam. But the difference is that they don't have all of Adams other attributes in addition to that.

The Carlos thing was one episode but do you really think Adam only spent the 2 times we see him on camera training Tanya? Chances are he gave her way more than two lessons. And the Carlos thing being one episode doesn't mean much. Quality over quantity.

A lot of people acted as SIC in Zeo, but again, its the combination of things that Adam brings to the table. Being able to train rangers, being one of the best fighters in PR history, being one of the most experienced rangers in PR history, being able to take the leadership role, and being a ranger who really doesn't make a lot of mistakes makes him great. When it comes down to his leadership role in PROO you can't argue that "anybody could have done that" because if you use that argument for him then all of a sudden you open up a can of worms that allows that argument in for anybody else's accomplishments.

How is adam using the OO shield thing as a power up mean he doesn't have honor any more? Almost any ranger that can be named as "the greatest ranger" or even one of the greatest rangers uses a power up. Tommy, Adam, Billy, Andros, Jason (although he only used it a few times), Wes, Eric, damn near everyone. Hell, ranger powers in itself is a power-up from the human form. Don't knock Adam just because he used one in OO. Especially since he had one back in his MMPR days.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you think he's one the best.

Well you should be because thats exactly what I am saying. I know he is not the best but he is definitely one of the best.

[Jiemusu]

Longest serving means a lot when the time you served was solid. He's not like Tommy to where he spent part of his service being late to battles and frozen in amber. He was always an active member of the team who did exactly what he was suppose to do and some. He always stayed focused on the task at hand while rarely, if ever, letting outside distractions get in the way. He was probably the most solid, consistent, and focused ranger in PR history.

I do see that, but for me it's more of a reason to save him from being looked down on, rather than being looked up on. He seemed to just be there all the time because he was just a generic slot, so it was natural for him to just always be with the crowd.

Also I just wanna point out. During season 3, nearly all the time the plots involved rangers being transformed into colour objects. In fact similar traps occured in season 2. My point is, you're talking about Adam being focused on the task, where as nearly ALL the time he was the consistent ranger in one aspect, falling for the traps. Other rangers usually survived them.

I can't remember an episode when the rangers all fell into traps and Adam was a surviving ranger. Nearly all the time, Adam was taken in and needed rescuing.

It's true that Rocky and Aisha fought for the rangers prior to actually being a ranger just like Adam. But the difference is that they don't have all of Adams other attributes in addition to that.

Well I mean most of Adam's attributes you listed, I didn't agree with.

But Aisha was highly innovative. You're talking about Adam fighting putties before he was a ranger, Aisha fought the putties before she was a ranger and EVEN fixed the device that saved the day before she was a ranger. If it wasn't for Aisha pre-ranger days then Zedd would have succeded in brainwashing all 6 rangers.

Rocky's one of my favorites, but I'm not going to go wild. His achievements were not great.

The Carlos thing was one episode but do you really think Adam only spent the 2 times we see him on camera training Tanya? Chances are he gave her way more than two lessons. And the Carlos thing being one episode doesn't mean much. Quality over quantity.

The thing with Tanya is that, it was obvious that he liked her. In a way, it was far less selfless.

Basically, prepping Carlos was selfless, Adam was doing his duties. But, prepping Tanya was, different. Not selfish but, he liked her and subsconsciously was out for her acceptance.

A lot of people acted as SIC in Zeo, but again, its the combination of things that Adam brings to the table. Being able to train rangers, being one of the best fighters in PR history, being one of the most experienced rangers in PR history, being able to take the leadership role, and being a ranger who really doesn't make a lot of mistakes makes him great. When it comes down to his leadership role in PROO you can't argue that "anybody could have done that" because if you use that argument for him then all of a sudden you open up a can of worms that allows that argument in for anybody else's accomplishments.

I don't agree with some of these to the level you are, but each to their own. I respect Adam for what he did in a different way, I guess. I won't be elitist, I can see your side.

How is adam using the OO shield thing as a power up mean he doesn't have honor any more? Almost any ranger that can be named as "the greatest ranger" or even one of the greatest rangers uses a power up. Tommy, Adam, Billy, Andros, Jason (although he only used it a few times), Wes, Eric, damn near everyone. Hell, ranger powers in itself is a power-up from the human form. Don't knock Adam just because he used one in OO. Especially since he had one back in his MMPR days.

Don't get me started on the hypocrisy of the MMPR rangers even using ranger powers, or even fighting, while preaching several of their "martial art codes" in the first place lol.

Fighting only for self defence for a start, was blown.
Only resorting to fighting if you've tried every other way, blown too.

But, that's another topic.

It wasn't specifically just power ups though, it was the type of power up and used it. I mean surely being a "leader" he should have assisted his team mates and take on the other enemies then all round them together to take on Thrax as a team. That feels, to me, what the Adam of old would have done had he had an onch of confidence.

Well you should be because thats exactly what I am saying. I know he is not the best but he is definitely one of the best.

Well, each to their own I guess. I don't agree with you, but I'll respect your opinion because it's well thought out.

[Question]

This thread needs more Carter.

Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to come up with reasons besides 'He's Carter'. Someone should handle that for me.

[Jiemusu]

Bravely ventured to hell and back.

Aspired to be a ranger for a genuine reason.

Badass with a firearm, didn't have to resort to fighting.

Fireman.

Incredibly caring.

Takes things as his responsibility.

Has his heart in the right place.

The leader in my OAR.



That's all I've got for now but, watch this space.

[Digifiend]

I think Tommy is definitely a great ranger. Top 5 without a doubt. But I think he made to many mistakes to be considered the greatest ever.

As green ranger he was constantly late to battles and as white ranger he led the team to losing two sets of powers in the same season. IMO he was best as zeo ranger 5. He led his team to victory and didn't make to many mistakes during the season.Except getting captured and brainwashed by Prince Gasket in the three-part story "Where in the World is Zeo Ranger 5?" and "King for a Day" Parts 1 & 2.As a turbo ranger I thought he fell off a little bit and alpha 6 even had to give him a lecture when dimitria wouldn't tell him how to do his job, but he was still good. Hell, he was absent half the time! Too busy with his racing car - and he got captured yet again, in Passing the Torch.As a DT ranger he was decent. But that whole getting frozen in amber thing by somebody whose been a ranger for like 3 days and sitting back doing absolutely nothing when the ninja storm rangers were ripping the DT's 3 new assholes kind of lowered his stock. Not to mention the fact that the whole DT season was Tommy's (and mercer's) fault...Yep, he created his own ranger team, but also created their enemy!I would take Billy, Andros, Trey, and Jason over him any day.Jason ain't much better, he got captured in the Turbo movie, and as we now know from Forever Red, he could still morph, so why didn't he?

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I do see that, but for me it's more of a reason to save him from being looked down on, rather than being looked up on. He seemed to just be there all the time because he was just a generic slot, so it was natural for him to just always be with the crowd.

Also I just wanna point out. During season 3, nearly all the time the plots involved rangers being transformed into colour objects. In fact similar traps occured in season 2. My point is, you're talking about Adam being focused on the task, where as nearly ALL the time he was the consistent ranger in one aspect, falling for the traps. Other rangers usually survived them.

I can't remember an episode when the rangers all fell into traps and Adam was a surviving ranger. Nearly all the time, Adam was taken in and needed rescuing.

Adam getting turned into something doesn't mean he wasn't focused. They all got turned into something at some point. No matter how focused any of them were it couldn't be helped. Katherine was probably the only MMPR who was never turned into anything, not because she was the most focused, but because he was only a MMPR for 8 episodes.

And no Adam wasn't always apart of the group that fell into a trap. There was an episode where all the veterans got spells put on them and it was up to the rookies to free them. Also, in storybook rangers Tommy, Kim, and Rocky were captured leaving Adam, Billy, and Aisha to save them. But the majority of the last two mmpr seasons involved either the whole team falling into the traps or just kimberly(particularly season 3).


Well I mean most of Adam's attributes you listed, I didn't agree with.

But Aisha was highly innovative. You're talking about Adam fighting putties before he was a ranger, Aisha fought the putties before she was a ranger and EVEN fixed the device that saved the day before she was a ranger. If it wasn't for Aisha pre-ranger days then Zedd would have succeded in brainwashing all 6 rangers.

Rocky's one of my favorites, but I'm not going to go wild. His achievements were not great.

Again, Aisha and rocky don't have the other things that Adam has. Out of those 3 Adam was probably the best fighter, the most experienced, the most dedicated, and a more solid ranger. He never got jealous of another ranger or showed lack of dedication to being a ranger. I mean Rocky left the team with an 11 year old. By the first episode of Turbo his back was better, but he still decided to cop out and leave.

The thing with Tanya is that, it was obvious that he liked her. In a way, it was far less selfless.

Basically, prepping Carlos was selfless, Adam was doing his duties. But, prepping Tanya was, different. Not selfish but, he liked her and subsconsciously was out for her acceptance.

Whether he liked her or not, that doesn't change the fact that he was a good enough teammate to teach her how to fight. Little things like this show his dedication to the team. Whether he liked her or not I think he would have done it.

It wasn't specifically just power ups though, it was the type of power up and used it. I mean surely being a "leader" he should have assisted his team mates and take on the other enemies then all round them together to take on Thrax as a team. That feels, to me, what the Adam of old would have done had he had an onch of confidence.

The Adam of old did have confidence on the battle field. He just lacked confidence in his love life. And the Adam of old wouldn't have taken on the big bad by himself because the Adam of old always was on a team with a guy who did that (Tommy). Adam knew his role at all times both on the MMPR-Turbo teams and the retro ranger team.

By the way, I forgot to mention this but remember that in the OO team-up thrax broke the morphing grid. Without the grid there would have been no more PROO rangers period. Adam was the one who came up with the plan to fix the grid (which was bring alpha back). That was a huge contribution to the PRU.

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Jason ain't much better, he got captured in the Turbo movie, and as we now know from Forever Red, he could still morph, so why didn't he?

You can't hold that againts Jason. Its not fair to knock him as a ranger for something that didn't happen when he was a ranger. We don't know when Jason got his powers back and even if he still had those powers he had no reason to have them on him since he was no longer active.

And by the way, when you quoted my post I noticed I put trey in there as one of the best. I didn't mean to do that lol.

[Jiemusu]

Adam getting turned into something doesn't mean he wasn't focused. They all got turned into something at some point. No matter how focused any of them were it couldn't be helped. Katherine was probably the only MMPR who was never turned into anything, not because she was the most focused, but because he was only a MMPR for 8 episodes.

Not related to the discussion.

And no Adam wasn't always apart of the group that fell into a trap. There was an episode where all the veterans got spells put on them and it was up to the rookies to free them. Also, in storybook rangers Tommy, Kim, and Rocky were captured leaving Adam, Billy, and Aisha to save them. But the majority of the last two mmpr seasons involved either the whole team falling into the traps or just kimberly(particularly season 3).

Not what I was saying.

You were talking about Adam being one of the most focused and disciplined rangers we've had. I wasn't implying other rangers HADN'T been captured, I was implying that Adam had been captured. Sort of to disreguard him as a "perfect ranger who never get's trapped".

Again, Aisha and rocky don't have the other things that Adam has. Out of those 3 Adam was probably the best fighter, the most experienced, the most dedicated, and a more solid ranger. He never got jealous of another ranger or showed lack of dedication to being a ranger. I mean Rocky left the team with an 11 year old. By the first episode of Turbo his back was better, but he still decided to cop out and leave.

Adam only became more experienced than the others when Aisha left before Zeo and Rocky left in Turbo.

He didn't get jealous of other rangers but he started MMPR being a shy emotional kid over dancing with girls, and jealously was building up for him with Shawn in Zeo.

Rocky copping out was him giving Justin a chance. Now off topic but you shouldn't imply that was a bad decision.

By the way, I forgot to mention this but remember that in the OO team-up thrax broke the morphing grid. Without the grid there would have been no more PROO rangers period. Adam was the one who came up with the plan to fix the grid (which was bring alpha back). That was a huge contribution to the PRU.

Yeah but it was Alpha that ultimately contributed and fixed the grid.

But again, that could lead to further discussion.

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Not related to the discussion.

It is actually. If every one of them besides Kat got captured, that means that it can't be helped no matter who you are. Whether you are the most intelligent, the most athletic, or the most focused on the team its inevitable that you will get captured, turned into something, or have a spell put on you. Billy got captured to, does that mean he's not the most intelligent because he couldn't figure a way not to get captured in the first place? Its the same thing.

Not what I was saying.

You were talking about Adam being one of the most focused and disciplined rangers we've had. I wasn't implying other rangers HADN'T been captured, I was implying that Adam had been captured. Sort of to disreguard him as a "perfect ranger who never get's trapped".

I never said he was a perfect ranger who never got captured. Getting captured doesn't prove a thing when it is proven that no matter who you are or how good you are as a MMPR that you will get captured at some point. Billy getting captured at times doesn't take away from how intelligent he was just like Adam getting captured at times doesn't take away how solid, consistent, and focused he was. Especially since this all happened as a MMPR. He was a ranger for 3 different terms not just as MMPR black.

Adam only became more experienced than the others when Aisha left before Zeo and Rocky left in Turbo.

He didn't get jealous of other rangers but he started MMPR being a shy emotional kid over dancing with girls, and jealously was building up for him with Shawn in Zeo.

Rocky copping out was him giving Justin a chance. Now off topic but you shouldn't imply that was a bad decision.

Who cares why he was more experienced then them if the fact remains the same that he was more experienced?

What does being shy over girls have to do with Adam as a ranger? That would be like calling Michael Jordan a bad basketball player because he was shy around girls.

When did he show signs of being jealous of Shawn in Zeo? And again, what does that have to do with Adam as a ranger? If Shawn was a ranger and Adam was jealous of him I would see your point. But even if Adam was jealous of Shawns relationship with Tanya that has nothing to do with his service as a ranger as opposed to Rocky who tried taking mondo on his own because of his jealousy.

It was a bad decision by Rocky. First off, it was a bad decision for Zordon to choose Justin in the first place. But when Rocky was healed, it was a bad decision to keep him on the team. No matter how good or bad Justin performed, fact is that an 11 year old shouldn't ever be put in that situation.

Yeah but it was Alpha that ultimately contributed and fixed the grid.

But it was Adam's idea. Nobody else would have thought of it. If it wasn't for Adam thinking of that there would be no PROO rangers. Not giving Adam a huge load of credit for this would be like not giving Andros a huge load of credit for the Z-wave. In both situations both parties involved deserve equal credit.

[Jiemusu]

It is actually. If every one of them besides Kat got captured, that means that it can't be helped no matter who you are. Whether you are the most intelligent, the most athletic, or the most focused on the team its inevitable that you will get captured, turned into something, or have a spell put on you. Billy got captured to, does that mean he's not the most intelligent because he couldn't figure a way not to get captured in the first place? Its the same thing.

The criteria you were using was being focused and disciplined. That's a very specific criteria, one that is associated with not being captured and not landing in trouble.

What does being shy over girls have to do with Adam as a ranger? That would be like calling Michael Jordan a bad basketball player because he was shy around girls.

Didn't say it had anything to do with him being a ranger. It's just you were trying to pass Adam off as having almost no flaws or mistakes and that his dedication to duty never got distracted.

He was feeling so low about being too chicken to ask a girl out that it allowed Lord Zedd to use Scorpina to easily lure him into a trap that got him captured. For someone focused and disciplined, he should have knew better, that's all.

When did he show signs of being jealous of Shawn in Zeo? And again, what does that have to do with Adam as a ranger? If Shawn was a ranger and Adam was jealous of him I would see your point. But even if Adam was jealous of Shawns relationship with Tanya that has nothing to do with his service as a ranger as opposed to Rocky who tried taking mondo on his own because of his jealousy.

He gave Shawn certain looks when he appeared while he was talking to Tanya, and was straight in there when Tanya dumped him with lines like "Hey you don't need jerks like that" or something along those lines. Not that it has anything to do with him being a ranger, but I'm just trying to divulge away from this idea that Adam was a choir boy that never slipped up or made human mistakes. It was just a general example really. I did specify Adam has never been specifically jealous of a ranger.

And yes, Rocky could be labelled as acting out of jealously too, but it was moe to do with insecurities. I'm not rating rangers down for insecurities or jealously. But when people big Adam up for being a focused and disciplined martial arts servant who never slips up, it's not fully accurate.

It was a bad decision by Rocky. First off, it was a bad decision for Zordon to choose Justin in the first place. But when Rocky was healed, it was a bad decision to keep him on the team. No matter how good or bad Justin performed, fact is that an 11 year old shouldn't ever be put in that situation.

True it was a bad decision in how he was recruited, but then Zordon made alot of terrible decisions himself, genuinely. And look at him, half the fanbase praise him for apparently being the best mentor. Y'see Rocky felt the power was safe in Justin's hands because he felt Justin proved himself in the movie. But this is sorta off topic.

But it was Adam's idea. Nobody else would have thought of it. If it wasn't for Adam thinking of that there would be no PROO rangers. Not giving Adam a huge load of credit for this would be like not giving Andros a huge load of credit for the Z-wave. In both situations both parties involved deserve equal credit.

I see your point, but personally for the comparison I would have had grouped Adam with Zordon, and Alpha with Andros. In that it wouldn't have been possible without Adam and Zordon, but it was Andros and Alpha that led to the final outcome.

[(^_~) FaCe It]

The criteria you were using was being focused and disciplined. That's a very specific criteria, one that is associated with not being captured and not landing in trouble.

That is not what I meant by focus. I meant that he rarely ever let personal issues bleed over into his ranger duties. He constantly kept his eye on the ball, so to speak. Although I think Andros was maybe the best ranger ever, he is an example of someone who wasn't focused prior to finding Karone. Leo's obsession with finding Mike is an example of being unfocused. Tommy always being late and looking for his brother, Jason being distracted with how he thought he let Tommy down, Kim putting her gymnastics ahead of the ranger team, Sky pouting at first because he wasn't the red ranger, etc are all examples of being unfocused... Adam was so dull as a character that he didn't have those same outside distractions to bleed over into ranger duties. When he wasn't on the battle field or doing a mission he spent most of his time either practicing marital arts or teaching Tanya. As a ranger, he was the most focused in the longest period of time.

Didn't say it had anything to do with him being a ranger. It's just you were trying to pass Adam off as having almost no flaws or mistakes and that his dedication to duty never got distracted.

He was feeling so low about being too chicken to ask a girl out that it allowed Lord Zedd to use Scorpina to easily lure him into a trap that got him captured. For someone focused and disciplined, he should have knew better, that's all.

Even in that situation, he wasn't unfocused. He didn't go off some place else when he should have been focused on ranger duties or letting personal feelings get in the way during a battle. He was simply walking in the park with Aisha and got ambushed. That could have happened without Scorpina disguising herself as a pretty girl.

He gave Shawn certain looks when he appeared while he was talking to Tanya, and was straight in there when Tanya dumped him with lines like "Hey you don't need jerks like that" or something along those lines. Not that it has anything to do with him being a ranger, but I'm just trying to divulge away from this idea that Adam was a choir boy that never slipped up or made human mistakes. It was just a general example really. I did specify Adam has never been specifically jealous of a ranger.

And yes, Rocky could be labelled as acting out of jealously too, but it was moe to do with insecurities. I'm not rating rangers down for insecurities or jealously. But when people big Adam up for being a focused and disciplined martial arts servant who never slips up, it's not fully accurate

Give me a specific episode because I don't recall Adam treating Shawn like that at all. And by the way, Shawn was a jerk. He was a cheater remember? But regardless, if it didn't translate over to him as a ranger it is kind of irrelevant.

All cases of jealousy stems from insecurities. And if those insecurities get in the way of your ranger performance like it did with Rocky (and Sky in SPD) they should get counted off for it to some degree. I would even count Andros off for his jealousy in Red with envy.

True it was a bad decision in how he was recruited, but then Zordon made alot of terrible decisions himself, genuinely. And look at him, half the fanbase praise him for apparently being the best mentor. Y'see Rocky felt the power was safe in Justin's hands because he felt Justin proved himself in the movie. But this is sorta off topic.

Zordon is like the best mentor and the worst mentor at the same time.

I see your point, but personally for the comparison I would have had grouped Adam with Zordon, and Alpha with Andros. In that it wouldn't have been possible without Adam and Zordon, but it was Andros and Alpha that led to the final outcome.

If they both deserve full credit it doesn't matter where you place them.

[Jiemusu]

That is not what I meant by focus. I meant that he rarely ever let personal issues bleed over into his ranger duties. He constantly kept his eye on the ball, so to speak. Although I think Andros was maybe the best ranger ever, he is an example of someone who wasn't focused prior to finding Karone. Leo's obsession with finding Mike is an example of being unfocused. Tommy always being late and looking for his brother, Jason being distracted with how he thought he let Tommy down, Kim putting her gymnastics ahead of the ranger team, Sky pouting at first because he wasn't the red ranger, etc are all examples of being unfocused... Adam was so dull as a character that he didn't have those same outside distractions to bleed over into ranger duties. When he wasn't on the battle field or doing a mission he spent most of his time either practicing marital arts or teaching Tanya. As a ranger, he was the most focused in the longest period of time.

Oh I get you.

You're saying Adam had such a thin and narrow personality that he didn't persue anything APART from his ranger duty, like it was the only thing because little indication of his nature showed enough depth to the point where there was something else in his life.

In a way, Jason was like that too, well apart from the green candle guilt that you mentioned obviously.

Give me a specific episode because I don't recall Adam treating Shawn like that at all. And by the way, Shawn was a jerk. He was a cheater remember? But regardless, if it didn't translate over to him as a ranger it is kind of irrelevant.

Rangers In The Outfield.

And yeah, he was a jerk, but still.

If he won the tournament, they'd MAKE him a ranger! :D Lol j/k (line from the episode)

Zordon is like the best mentor and the worst mentor at the same time.

I prefer him being a terrible mentor but a downright utter genius at villainry. Again, different discussion.

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So...getting back on topic:

There isn't one Ranger that I would say is the very best because they're all good in different ways. I can even manage to say some good things about Justin, even if I do so begrudgingly. Anyway, I'm going to say that Wes was probably the best as far as character development goes. He started out as a spoiled rich kid with little sense of responsibility, but then gradually he became an admirable hero who chose to fight against a legion of Cyclobots rather than put his friends from the future at risk, knowing that there was little hope of him and Eric winning. Anyway, my thoughts about Wes are just an opinion. If you want to argue, then just send me a personal message. I don't want to start another long, public argument like the one about Adam.

[Jiemusu]

So...getting back on topic:

There isn't one Ranger that I would say is the very best because they're all good in different ways. I can even manage to say some good things about Justin, even if I do so begrudgingly. Anyway, I'm going to say that Wes was probably the best as far as character development goes. He started out as a spoiled rich kid with little sense of responsibility, but then gradually he became an admirable hero who chose to fight against a legion of Cyclobots rather than put his friends from the future at risk, knowing that there was little hope of him and Eric winning. Anyway, my thoughts about Wes are just an opinion. If you want to argue, then just send me a personal message. I don't want to start another long, public argument like the one about Adam.

I'd prefer discussions to occur in the open threads for forum activity. If we're gona resort to discussing topics with private messages we might as well all use MSN or another sort instant message service network to discuss things in privately rather than contribute to Otaku Hero Access' board activity, which I'm not for. Honestly, open discussion is healthy as long as it's handled moderately. If people want to discuss whether Wes is the best, or not, then I actually advise speaking up and offering opinions. I mean we have the Otaku Poll section if people prefer to simply state.

Public arguments are healthy in terms of debate, presents fans with things they may have missed, and don't worry if things get heavy, I'll step in and sort it out. But nothing would progress if people don't talk. I would never leave it if I knew someone was uncomfortable, if they were, they can feel free to contact me anytime.

I agree with you about Wes. Characters like him, Tanya and Summer impress me for that reason, they start off shallow like Summer, spoilt like Wes, or naive like Tanya. Hell even Eric developed in a way, that adds to character, the more people develop, the more impressive it is.

To this day, Wes has remained one of my favorites for that reason.

[twister111]

Honestly, I'm torn. I know someone out there's gonna roll their eyes and, say "Yeah right. You're tottally about Billy!" Somtime ago there'd be no question about Billy = the best in my oppinion. However, reading this thread. It's gotten me torn between Billy, Wes, and Andros.

Billy - He's a ranger that kept on consistantly getting the others out of problems. He actually stayed on well after giving someone else the opportunity to become a ranger. Anyone else there including Adam or, Tommy could've given up their crystal but, did they? No. The fact that he still contributed a lot even sans powers just says how valuable he was to the team. He also only left when he was about to die staying on Earth.

Wes - Like Billy he was essential to the team. He starts out in a ranger suit that someone has already died in. So he already has a harder handicap then most. He was also going to risk his life to fight against an army that in one timeline did kill him. Afterwards he became a leader of the Silver Guardians and, still works to protect people.

Andros - Already said what makes him great in this thread.

So, yeah I'm torn between these three.
About Adam, um, he was just another ranger. Sure he helped fix the grid in OO but, how in the hell does that make him the greatest? He just had knowledge the others didn't. How was Xander, Bridge, or Tori supposed to know about Alpha? Kira might've known about Alpha but, not where Alpha was at that moment. Really, telling the other rangers where a tool is to help fix a problem isn't that great. It'd be stupid to withhold that information. So what he fought Thrax. That's who he was recruted to fight in the first place. Adam just did his ranger duty and, helped when needed. He's a good ranger but, he's not the best. Hell he didn't even stay long after getting his powers restored. It's like "oh, the OO team got their powers back. 'Kay I'm going back to my dojo. Bye!"

:cool:

[Jiemusu]

One thing I love about Billy is how, even when he wasn't technically a ranger, he STILL stuck around for his friends and still remained on duty in any way he could despite not needing a "cool costume". That shows a loyalty that all rangers should have.

[Psycho Silver]

Wouldn't say that dosing someone up on as many powers as they had makes them any more awesome than other rangers.

The way you word it, it doesn't exactly go in Tommy's favour if he needed to be given several ranger designations over many colors and seasons to achieve something that other rangers probably did with one colour, one season, one power for example.

Not saying Tommy is bad but, using the "he's been 6 rangers" approach doesn't really look good if ends up needing it to be cool, if you dig me.

That is one thing that always bugged me about Tommy. Look how many powers he had and colors he went through. There are things that he has done that have been really good, but with all that experience as a ranger I hope he did more than a few positive things. I personally think he gets a lot of credit and hype because he was in more seasons than anyone else. By this I mean he had more opportunities than all the other rangers.