[PR] What's wrong with Will... No seriously, what's wrong with him? [Archive]

Aliques!!!

09-28-2009, 10:06 PM

I thought Will (Operation Overdrive Black Ranger) was wicked cool, I think he was my favorite in that season. Now all I read about him on this forum is that he was terrible and I don't know why. I don't see it, I thought he was cool.

So seriously I know understand what every one disliked about him... enlighten me :P

White Ranger Power

09-28-2009, 10:11 PM

Shoot I liked the guy too. But, some people think they were putting a negative stereotype on him.

Legendary.

09-28-2009, 10:11 PM

His face annoyed me.

White Ranger Power

09-28-2009, 10:17 PM

o...............k that was irrelevent

ybranger

09-28-2009, 10:35 PM

I thought he was a good character. I enjoyed him more then Mack.

White Ranger Power

09-28-2009, 10:39 PM

ME too I think he should have been the red ranger. He was a great actor as well.

ybranger

09-28-2009, 11:04 PM

Yes, he hid his accent well too.

White Ranger Power

09-28-2009, 11:24 PM

I didn't know he had an accent.

Toku King

09-28-2009, 11:25 PM

its not the character people really dislike, its the actor, he is a sick sick man who has no conscience

DaiRed

09-28-2009, 11:30 PM

its not the character people really dislike, its the actor, he is a sick sick man who has no conscience

:confused: Care to elaborate?

White Ranger Power

09-28-2009, 11:31 PM

What are you talking about a sick man with no conscience. He hasn't done anything.

Toku King

09-28-2009, 11:40 PM

what he did at the first morphicon was disgusting

ForeverBlue

09-28-2009, 11:44 PM

Nothing wrong with the character...its mainly the actor that alot of people disliked about. He did do something bad though...at the Morphicon in 2007, he stole a banner or poster on the last day of the convention. It was for a children's charity. Apparenlty he liked it alot that he wanted it for himself by stealing it. I don't think it got retrieved.

Kawaii Japan Lover

09-28-2009, 11:53 PM

Didn't know that little tidbit, quite sad.

The character himself I didn't really care for because he was as cocky as the day is long. Those types of characters are usually the bottom of my list, but my favorites to see get beaten up.

Question

09-29-2009, 12:06 AM

Will's a stereotypical black thief with a cocky attitude.

I hate people like that.

And als, what whatever Will's actor's name is did was also pathetic.

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 01:12 AM

It was a banner people. You're acting like he stole money from the organization.

Question

09-29-2009, 01:21 AM

...he stole a banner that was going to be sold and the proceeds donated to the Make-a-Wish Foundation.

He did steal money. From dying children!

Fire Warrior

09-29-2009, 01:28 AM

Wow, i didn't know he did that. For lack of better words, that's just f***ed up.

As for the character, he's just too stereotypical. Of course, I didn't get into that season, but Will just didn't seem that likable. He was way too 2D IMHO.

Toku King

09-29-2009, 01:35 AM

didnt I hear somewhere the other banners sold for a lot

Hate the guy

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 02:15 AM

Well i mean I guess if he really technically stole money from kids then he is sort of a bad person. Hey, but really who are we to judge someone, I mean we all have stole something before, maybe not something big, but something in one form or another. I'm not condoning his behavior I'm just saying.

Toku King

09-29-2009, 02:22 AM

but heres the thing he said he didnt care about the kids that means as long as hes happy little kids can die

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 02:28 AM

OK do you have any proof the he said that?

Toku King

09-29-2009, 02:32 AM

it was all over the boards when it happened

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 02:34 AM

oh, right.

King

09-29-2009, 02:46 AM

Will's a stereotypical black thief

Except he's not a thief.

Stereotypical black thief's don't recover stolen objects secret agent style. He was closer to a re-po man than a thief. Except instead of recovering objects people bought but stopped paying on he's recovering objects people straight up stole from an owner. In PROO it was a profession. You want to see a black stereotype in PR lets talk about Jack in the first couple of SPD episodes.

Question

09-29-2009, 02:48 AM

He stole things for money.

What he did with those things afterward, and who he sold them (back) to doesn't matter.

But I'm not looking to start this argument again.

King

09-29-2009, 02:50 AM

He stole things for money.

What he did with those things afterward, and who he sold them (back) to doesn't matter.

But I'm not looking to start this argument again.

If you steal my bike and a cop comes and takes it back, and then later goes to pick up his pay check, I guess he is a thief to right?

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 02:51 AM

Jack was robin hood just like will sort of was. So you can't say it was sterotypical because they would have made them keep the stuff for themselves if they were trying to be stereotypical.

Question

09-29-2009, 02:56 AM

If you steal my bike and a cop comes and takes it back, and then later goes to pick up his pay check, I guess he is a thief to right?

Technically, yeah.

King

09-29-2009, 02:57 AM

Jack was robin hood just like will sort of was. So you can't say it was sterotypical because they would have made them keep the stuff for themselves if they were trying to be stereotypical.

Will was nothing like Robin hood. Robin hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor (as did jack). Will got hired to repossess stolen items.

Calling Will to get your stolen crap back is basically the same thing as calling a repo man when you sell something to someone and they stop paying for it. In both cases somebody wants something back that rightfully belongs to them so they hire someone..

Question

09-29-2009, 02:59 AM

...to steal it. Making that someone a thief.

A sanctioned thief, sure, but still a thief.

King

09-29-2009, 03:01 AM

Technically, yeah.

So in your world everything is that black and white? Either its stealing or its not? Even if a cop comes and gets your stolen stuff back? Well stealing is when you take the property of a person without their permission so if the cop or Will has the permission of the owner of the property than it is not stealing. So technically, no not stealing.

Question

09-29-2009, 03:04 AM

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 03:05 AM

King you have a good point.

King

09-29-2009, 03:15 AM

You're overcomplicating it. Just because there are shades of grey doesn't mean that there can't be black and white anywhere.

Yeah, I'd call someone who steals from a thief a thief as well. He may give it back to the rightful owner, but he's still a thief for stealing it, in the same way that I'd call someone who killed a killer to keep that killer from killing again a killer as well. It's not a bad thing necessarily, but it *is* what they are.

No I am not. You just aren't looking at the full definition. Again, to steal something you have to take the property without the owners permission. By definition!!! So technically Will is not a thief because he has the permission of the owner to take said property. It doesn't just stop at "oh he took that he's a thief". The context of the situation matters.

Steal: to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

If you have permission or right, you are not stealing. Will has permission and in that Cop example I used earlier he has both permission and right.

Question

09-29-2009, 03:20 AM

Sure.

You're wrong and I think it's funny, but I seriously didn't mean to start this argument again.

I'm sure you'll count this as a win for you. Feel free. Your confidence will be your undoing when I *do* feel like arguing one day.

Back on topic, both Will and his actor are obnoxious dicks, and at least one of them is a dirty thief. King and I can at least agree on that.

King

09-29-2009, 03:22 AM

You're wrong because you think everything is stealing, even when a cop gets somebodies bike back.

Question

09-29-2009, 03:22 AM

Hey, remember back when I said I didn't want to argue? A couple of times?

Please don't provoke me, kthx

King

09-29-2009, 03:26 AM

This is a discussion forum. If you post something I have every right to reply to it and disagree with it. If you really don't want to "argue"[discuss] (which you obviously did since one of your rebuttals was from something I said to White ranger power) then simply stop posting about it. Nobody forced you to reply back after you said you don't want to "argue" the point.

Question

09-29-2009, 03:27 AM

Okay.

You're wrong but Will and his actor are still douchebags.

King

09-29-2009, 03:31 AM

No you're wrong.

And yes, both of them are douchbags.

DaiRed

09-29-2009, 03:33 AM

Wow, I'm gone for 4 hours and we got to 5 pages.:eek:

Anyway, yeah, the guy is a douche in actor and character.

Aliques!!!

09-29-2009, 03:35 AM

Wow, that's more than I expected.

I don't know I kind of liked that he was cocky, but I don't know about stereotypical.

As for the Morphicon, that's pretty dumb to steal something like that, but I wouldn't call it sick... just dumb

Legendary.

09-29-2009, 06:38 AM

How do we know it is the Owner that contacts will to Steal things? If Will was in the business of repossession he should have been a Repo-Man. He's a thief that's stupidly open for hire. What do you say in an interview if you were him?

"Hi my names Will, I stole back something for someone with no proof that it was his originally but I think he was sincere cause he called me and I'm the best. I can give you a complete list of people I stole back stuff from, I stole it from the internet. Anyways, if you hire me I'm sure I can steal anything from you to test out your alarms and the only way to know if I'm trustworthy is to hire me and hope I steal things from you to only test your alarm system at any time I want. Although I usually do my stuff at night because it's harder to catch me and more guards don't pay attention. Although, I am available in the day if I'm stealing stuff...I mean...taking stuff back for people who own it in the first place."

TokuFan

09-29-2009, 02:11 PM

He's smug and egotistical but like only half the team are half-decent so he's somehow "vaguely cool" in a way. If he was in say RPM then I wouldn't think much of him.

Digifiend

09-29-2009, 09:33 PM

Yes, he hid his accent well too.I didn't know he had an accent.He's British. He wouldn't naturally have a US or NZ accent if he's from the UK!

White Ranger Power

09-29-2009, 09:35 PM

didn't know he was from the uk.

TokuFan

09-30-2009, 09:20 PM

It's fine to attack the character but I think attacking Samuel Benta's a bit below the belt.

Question

09-30-2009, 10:23 PM

It's fine to attack the character but I think attacking Samuel Benta's a bit below the belt.

No.

Benta stole a signed Power Morphicon banner that was going to be auctioned off for the Make-a-Wish Foundation. Samuel Benta stole money from dying children. That was below the belt.

Which I already mentioned in this thread.

Attacking Benta is a whole lot more worth people's time than attacking Will.

Legendary.

10-01-2009, 12:31 AM

Doesn't Benta have this fantasy that he means something to the Power Ranger community? He must get off to that every night.

Digifiend

10-01-2009, 02:27 PM

didn't know he was from the uk.Yep. Born in London apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuell_Benta

Rhoda Montemayor (Rose) was also born in London: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoda_Montemayor

You might be interested in this guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cut_(BBC_series) Samuell plays the lead role in The Cut. http://www.bbc.co.uk/switch/thecut/ Sorry, BBC iPlayer won't work outside the UK.

DaiRed

10-01-2009, 05:40 PM

Doesn't Benta have this fantasy that he means something to the Power Ranger community? He must get off to that every night.

So he's the Kanye West of Power Rangers.

Legendary.

10-01-2009, 06:55 PM

So he's the Kanye West of Power Rangers.

You win this thread.

TokuFan

10-01-2009, 08:10 PM

No.

Benta stole a signed Power Morphicon banner that was going to be auctioned off for the Make-a-Wish Foundation. Samuel Benta stole money from dying children. That was below the belt.

Which I already mentioned in this thread.

Attacking Benta is a whole lot more worth people's time than attacking Will.

Oh.

Well...I just tend to defend him because he was the first British actor but I suppose now there's Ari Boyland so...

DaiRed

10-02-2009, 02:09 AM

You win this thread.

MK Announcer: DaiRed wins!:cool:

Digifiend

10-02-2009, 08:48 PM

Oh.

Well...I just tend to defend him because he was the first British actor but I suppose now there's Ari Boyland so...Ari's a New Zealander. The Scottish accent is fake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_Boyland

Autobot032

10-04-2009, 04:27 AM

Okay, so let me see if I got this right...

In the show, he was a thief.

In real life he stole an auction item that was meant to be used to garner proceeds for Make-A-Wish.

In real life and on the show, he was cocky.

I've got it so far, correct?

I'm going to finish the rest of this post as though I got the first part right, so my answer will go accordingly.

He's Black.
He's Cocky.
He's a thief.

That makes him a cocky bastard who did a pretty disgusting thing, who also happens to be Black.

That does not make him the "stereotypical black thief" as some of you have put it.

There's a big difference between the person you envision in the "stereotypical" comment, and this man being an actual thief who just so happens to be Black.

His skin tone doesn't mean jack shit. He's a prick, and a big one at that. You don't have to be White, Black, Asian, Russian, whatever. A prick is a prick is a prick, regardless of what he or she looks like on the outside.

I'm not even Black and I found that to be offensive.

Dammit people, use some common sense here!

Don't be like Haim Saban, rise above petty shit like that.

Question

10-04-2009, 04:44 AM

Geez, way to derail the thread.

:p

TokuFan

10-04-2009, 10:51 AM

Well,I didn't know about the stealing the sign thing...

Did he know what the auction was for,incidentally?

Question

10-04-2009, 03:12 PM

As far as I know, he was told and still refused to give it back.

JF45

10-04-2009, 03:45 PM

Wow. A ranger actor did all this? All I can say is, Benta, if you really did steal from kids, THEN YOU ARE SO F***ED UP! If not, heck I don't even know what's going on! Some people say he's a thief, others don't! WHATS GOING ON?!:mad::confused:

Question

10-04-2009, 04:09 PM

The argument is over whether or not Will was a thief. For some reason.

I think people generally agree that Will's actor was a thief, though.

Autobot032

10-05-2009, 01:17 AM

The argument is over whether or not Will was a thief. For some reason.

I think people generally agree that Will's actor was a thief, though.

Well, obviously people were there when he did this. If that's the case then there are witnesses.

And those witnesses say he knew what it was for, kept it (I.E. stole it), and never gave it back.

I'm not sure what there is to miss. Seems pretty clear to me that the guy's a thief. The only thing that doesn't matter is the color of his skin (which was addressed earlier in the thread.)

The guy's a giant douche. Simple as that.

Digifiend

10-06-2009, 03:31 PM

Okay, so let me see if I got this right...

In the show, he was a thief.He worked to hire, he's more of a professional safecracker. Andrew actually hired him for such a job in the first OO episode, but it was a test to see if he lived up to his reputation.

Samuell on the other hand, is a thief so infamous, Chris Funaro banned him from any future events he's involved in - that means Power Morphicon.

Titanium Ranger

10-06-2009, 04:58 PM

Will wasn't cool, but he wasn't bad either. As a character, there was nothing wrong with him; but I think Benta overdid the cocky smirk that was supposed to be on his face, so that it just looked weird. Then again, I actually enjoyed Overdrive and I think Mack was great. Dax was an oddball, but not bad (even before Gem and Gemma came onto the scene).
Overall, I think Will is one of the less criticized rangers from OO. The fault was with the actor far as I'm concerned and even that wasn't bad enough to make me want to skip their screentime (like I skipped a few in case of Camille, and Gem and Gemma). The character, being a thief who becomes a ranger, was great and a new concept for PR...

Aliques!!!

10-06-2009, 05:24 PM

He worked to hire, he's more of a professional safecracker. Andrew actually hired him for such a job in the first OO episode, but it was a test to see if he lived up to his reputation.

He worked for hire at the time, but he got his start as an actual thief. I don't think there's such a college for a Thief-for-hire.