What if...

[Razor]

This is something I had on my mind and I wanted to share and discuss it with the members of Rangertalk.

Ok, it's like this.

What if there was never an MMPR Green Ranger? What if instead, the green ranger suit was a power up for the Red Ranger. Kinda like Connor becoming the Triassic Ranger.

Would that be something that any of you would've like to have seen in action?

[DarkProject]

As much as I liked what was done, I really think this is a cool idea.

Maybe instead of it ONLY being a power-up, it could have been Evil Green Ranger at first, and then when Tommy gave the coin to Jason, he could morph with it while already morphed as the Red Ranger to become super-powerful.

[Khayotica]

I would have liked that idea a lot better than what happened, but that comes from just not being a big Tommy fan. He was all right, don't get me wrong, but I just think the focus of MMPR started revolving around him too much.

[ForeverBlue]

Razor, I added another option so that members can vote if they can't decide.

As for me, I can't decide, I like the way it was already done

[eraofdinothunder4eva]

instead of green it remains red and the design of the helmet remains tyrannosauras.. i wonder if that just means jason getting the shield.

[Razor]

Razor, I added another option so that members can vote if they can't decide.

As for me, I can't decide, I like it was already done

Thanks. I didn't think to add a third option.

[Green Elephant]

I say the Dragonzord powers would turn Jason's costume into a hybrid of the two: for instance, there is a green jewel between the eyes of the T-Rex head (like the red one on Tommy's helmet) and the black trim turns gold.

[Mustang3173]

I would think it'd look like a batalizer. Where the dagger turns into the Dragonzord in Battle Mode's drill staff for the final strike, finger tip missal gloves, and the green ranger's shield.

[UltimateRainbowRanger]

As much as I liked what was done, I really think this is a cool idea.

Maybe instead of it ONLY being a power-up, it could have been Evil Green Ranger at first, and then when Tommy gave the coin to Jason, he could morph with it while already morphed as the Red Ranger to become super-powerful.

Super Saiyan Red Ranger? lol

I say that he could look kinda like Conner's Triassic Ranger mode, but using Green & Red, and the Dragon Shield

[The_Green_Ranger]

I like the idea only during the time he possessed the coin (when Tommy left), it could have been a powerup. Would be interesting seeing Jason morph into the Green Ranger. (kinda like how Sky morphed into SPD Red for that one episode.

[PowerOnyx]

This is something I had on my mind and I wanted to share and discuss it with the members of Rangertalk.

Ok, it's like this.

What if there was never an MMPR Green Ranger? What if instead, the green ranger suit was a power up for the Red Ranger. Kinda like Connor becoming the Triassic Ranger.

Would that be something that any of you would've like to have seen in action?

No Tommy. Thus no demand for a salary to match him. Thus no Peace Conference. Thus no Ranger trade-outs. Thus the MMPR cast of 5 would have stayed for several seasons.

[Jiemusu]

Tommy wouldn't join the team after Green With Evil. Jason had access to Tommy’s powers even before the events of Green Candle. In fact, Green Candle obviously never happened as the green rangers powers were powered using the red ranger powers instead, like a battlizer, out of Rita’s grasp and rendering the green candle useless. Jason morphs into green ranger when Goldar had the rest of the coins during the events of Return Of An Old Friend, instead of Tommy returning. Jason brings back the coins. Carries on as the red ranger.

Rangers ungrade to Thunderzords when Lord Zedd appears. Zordon recruits a new white ranger to join the team. Without Tommy there, the new recruit becomes Ryan Steele (for discussion sake, I'm just calling the would have beepn character Brad Hawkins WOULD have played by the character in VR troopers he DID play), the new kid in town. Jason remains as leader.

Jason
Trini
Zack
Kimberly
Billy
Ryan

Jason, Zack and Trini never got sent to the peace conference, and thus ended up receiving ninja powers along with Ryan when Rito destroyed the Thunderzords

Kim transfers her powers to Kat, who becomes the new pink ranger. The team lose their MMPR powers and become Zeo Rangers. Billy steps down.

Billy later becomes the gold ranger but gives the powers back to Trey later.

Jason
Trini
Zack
Kat
Ryan
Billy

Ryan steps down, for some mysterious and by some massively suspicious coincidence, and Justin becomes the new blue ranger.

Jason
Trini
Zack
Kat
Justin

Soon the rest of the team is replaced, as normal the team venture into space when they meet Andros.

So the outcome in PRIS will be exactly the same.


Additional: If Brad Hawkins character DOENS'T come in, then Saban find some way to make it Trini's interest, Richie, and thus development is born. Then they can be the highlighted canon couple of the show.

[2580]

If Saban had gone this route we wouldn't have gotten Green With Evil, The Green Candle, the Red Dragon MMPR Ranger, or Return of An Old Friend, which would just be unacceptable in my opinion.

[Mnikolic]

I would like to have seen the Green Suit as Jason's power-up mode after the Green Candle episode would take place. The shield, along with the parts of the green suit, would turn Jason into a Triassic Ranger.
The green coin would have been connected to Jason's power coin, and each time when Jason would use Tommy's powers, the green power coin would've absorbed some of the power from the defeated monsters by using the connection to Jason's power coin.

Than Tommy would come back, the Rangers would find out that the green coin has temporary powers already and Zordon would finish re-energizing the green power coin, as seen in "Return of an old Friend, Part II". Thus, returning the green ranger powers for good. Which would alter S2 and S3 and the beginning of Zeo. Tommy would remain the green ranger and Dragonzord would remain fighting along the Thunder Megazord.

We would get a Green Ninja Ranger in S3 and in Zeo, Tommy would switch from Green to Red (the conference in S2 would still take place).

So... long-story short...

S1 > Tommy returns permanently
S2 > Tommy remains the Green Ranger. We wouldn't get the White Ranger,
S3 > Falconzord would be equal to his Sentai counterpart
Zeo > same
Turbo > same
Space > same

[Jiemusu]

If Saban had gone this route we wouldn't have gotten Green With Evil, The Green Candle, the Red Dragon MMPR Ranger, or Return of An Old Friend, which would just be unacceptable in my opinion.

The whole idea if this was that Jason took the powers himself and became the red dragon MMPR Ranger INSTEAD of Tommy becoming the good green ranger after Green With Evil.

[2580]

The whole idea if this was that Jason took the powers himself and became the red dragon MMPR Ranger INSTEAD of Tommy becoming the good green ranger after Green With Evil.

I don't think that's what Razor described.

This is something I had on my mind and I wanted to share and discuss it with the members of Rangertalk.

Ok, it's like this.

What if there was never an MMPR Green Ranger? What if instead, the green ranger suit was a power up for the Red Ranger. Kinda like Connor becoming the Triassic Ranger.

Would that be something that any of you would've like to have seen in action?

The Red Dragon MMPR Ranger consisted of the Red MMPR suit with the addition of a gold Power Morpher, the gold arm bands, the Dragon Shield, and the Dragon Dagger, not the entire Green Ranger suit as Razor seems to be describing. Maybe Razor was describing what you're talking about and just didn't communicate it clearly enough for me, but I suggest letting Razor reply to set the record straight.

[King RR]

"Can't decide...I like the way it was done"

I don't know how that would have turned up & whether I would have liked it or not coz I don't seem to digest the idea of a red ranger powering up and wearing a green coloured suit !

[Razor]

I don't think that's what Razor described.



The Red Dragon MMPR Ranger consisted of the Red MMPR suit with the addition of a gold Power Morpher, the gold arm bands, the Dragon Shield, and the Dragon Dagger, not the entire Green Ranger suit as Razor seems to be describing. Maybe Razor was describing what you're talking about and just didn't communicate it clearly enough for me, but I suggest letting Razor reply to set the record straight.

What I meant was, Jason being in control of the Dragon powers, which means that he would be wearing the Dragon shield and the arm bands, plus the gold morpher and the Dragon Dagger at his side and possibly having that red diamond in the middle of his forehead, although I guess it would have to be another color, like maybe black.

[Jam-Jul Lison]

Ok I know all the Jason fans and Tommy haters will hate me for this but here it goes. This is the god's honest Truth. If it hadn't been for Tommy, Power Rangers prob wouldn't have made it past Season 3 or Zeo. It would have been lucky to make it past 2. Reason being is that Tommy was Power Rangers at that point. He was the most popular ranger at the time. Might as well called the show Mighty Morphin Tommy Rangers. The girls adored him and the guys wanted to be him. That is just how it was then. That is why Tommy was brought back as the white ranger and why he stayed on until Turbo. I admit I was a big Tommy fan back then myself. Needless to say i was one of the ones who went nuts when they saw Tommy back in Dino Thunder. Though it was during that time that I also began to grow sick of him. After rewatching the old seasons, i found I still like him from those shows, but I also have a greater appreciation for the other rangers as well. Let's face it, during the Tommy craze, it was easy to overlook some of the other rangers and if it hadn't been for the Tommy craze, there wouldn't have been so many Power Ranger fans.

[Razor]

Ok I know all the Jason fans and Tommy haters will hate me for this but here it goes. This is the god's honest Truth. If it hadn't been for Tommy, Power Rangers prob wouldn't have made it past Season 3 or Zeo. It would have been lucky to make it past 2. Reason being is that Tommy was Power Rangers at that point. He was the most popular ranger at the time. Might as well called the show Mighty Morphin Tommy Rangers. The girls adored him and the guys wanted to be him. That is just how it was then. That is why Tommy was brought back as the white ranger and why he stayed on until Turbo. I admit I was a big Tommy fan back then myself. Needless to say i was one of the ones who went nuts when they saw Tommy back in Dino Thunder. Though it was during that time that I also began to grow sick of him. After rewatching the old seasons, i found I still like him from those shows, but I also have a greater appreciation for the other rangers as well. Let's face it, during the Tommy craze, it was easy to overlook some of the other rangers and if it hadn't been for the Tommy craze, there wouldn't have been so many Power Ranger fans.

I've always been a tommy fan, but this is not what this thread is about.

[Jam-Jul Lison]

This is a what if and fact is, if what they are talking about had actually happened, the series would have been canceled prob by the end of season 2 or 3 because Tommy wasn't there.

[Jiemusu]

This is a what if and fact is, if what they are talking about had actually happened, the series would have been canceled prob by the end of season 2 or 3 because Tommy wasn't there.

There is a distinction between real life and on show events.

[Jam-Jul Lison]

There is a distinction between real life and on show events.

Yes I know but on show events heavily affects what happens in real life. If it had gone that way, we might not be sitting her talking about Power Rangers. This site might not even exist. On the bright side at least we never would have seen Disney screw up Power Rangers. lol

[Ranger87]

I like the way it was done, but I think your idea wouldn've been cool if done the right way.

[2580]

What I meant was, Jason being in control of the Dragon powers, which means that he would be wearing the Dragon shield and the arm bands, plus the gold morpher and the Dragon Dagger at his side and possibly having that red diamond in the middle of his forehead, although I guess it would have to be another color, like maybe black.

Okay, thank you for the clarification. I still don't like the idea, though, because I enjoyed Green With Evil and The Green Candle. As much as I enjoyed seeing Tommy as the Green Ranger one last time in Return of An Old Friend, I probably wouldn't have brought him back after The Green Candle just because it would've filled fans with false hope about him coming back. Tommy really needed to go after The Green Candle because he became a wet towel in the time between The Green Candle and White Light. Also, JDF's pay raise that convinced him to stay on permanently as the White Ranger resulted in Zack, Trini, and Jason being replaced with the less popular Adam, Aisha, and Rocky. Plus, Tommy became a cocky, godmodded, spotlight hog which had to have made him less popular even with his loyal fans. Had Tommy not come back and Zack, Trini, and Jason had stayed, I'm almost certain that I would've enjoyed the era from MMPR Season 2-Zeo better (I haven't watched most of Turbo).

[Jiemusu]

Okay, thank you for the clarification. I still don't like the idea, though, because I enjoyed Green With Evil and The Green Candle. As much as I enjoyed seeing Tommy as the Green Ranger one last time in Return of An Old Friend, I probably wouldn't have brought him back after The Green Candle just because it would've filled fans with false hope about him coming back. Tommy really needed to go after The Green Candle because he became a wet towel in the time between The Green Candle and White Light.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Tommy was such a badass when he was the evil green ranger, and I found myself liking his (apparent) "true" nature at the time when he was the good green ranger, sensitive and caring yet hard as nails.

Stepping down in Green Candle because he was forced to, similar to Burai, he went down trying, without trying to accelerate the spell, and I will admit as much as I dislike the overhyped, I was genuinly sad watching Green Candle end.

They should have ended him on a high, because when he returned in Return Of An Old Friend, they took the badass American adaptation of Burai Dragon Ranger, and made him into a whiny emo whos hairstyle looked like a donkey's ass. That's how they left the green ranger... not the better character he was before green candle. They watered him down.

Tommy sucked when he returned as green, and I was actually pleased to see him gone in Green No More.

Him as white was a refreshing change from a viewpoint, since it wasn't the same Tommy I liked, but it wasn't the Tommy I disliked.

Also, JDF's pay raise that convinced him to stay on permanently as the White Ranger resulted in Zack, Trini, and Jason being replaced with the less popular Adam, Aisha, and Rocky. Plus, Tommy became a cocky, godmodded, spotlight hog which had to have made him less popular even with his loyal fans. Had Tommy not come back and Zack, Trini, and Jason had stayed, I'm almost certain that I would've enjoyed the era from MMPR Season 2-Zeo better (I haven't watched most of Turbo).

The way I view it, fate (or destiny) needed Jason, Zack and Trini to leave since they were the best character personalities of MMPR at the time, and had maxed out their potential, and needed to end up a high. Saban already screwed that up with Tommy (green), but those three still had a chance to end on a high and be remembered forever as a high, if they stayed on, they'd fix what didn't need to be fixed, and it could have ruined them. Billy and Kim had alot of development left to come, and Tommy had only just began a new refreshed character.

In terms of Tommy being a cocky, godmodded, spotlight hog, his return did save PR, and we did need a popular character on the show to keep ratings. Other characters could be people's personal favorites as support, but we needed one ranger to be the highlight at 'face value' for the backbone, although I agree in MMPR2 they handled it all wrong. It was better in MMPR3, Tommy felt more of part of the core as leader, rather than just him as leader.... and THEN the core.

Rocky, Adam and Aisha's entrance was needed because we needed a 'new class' scenario to happen, since fans would have to get used to a completely new cast at SOME point, and this way they could build each sentai tradition each season (new suits, new zords, new class etc) up gradually rather than all at the same time, MMPR2 had a zord change from the start for the first change that was still kinda minor, mid season they changed one suit, and half the cast, for a gradual change, more suits from the next sentai was brought in as an ally and mini series, then another cast member change, and new zords, then all new suits from the start for the next series, then the next series gave a full cast change etc, it build up slowly, now we get new suits, zords and cast each year. Jason, Zack and Trini had already maxed out their personality, Jason could only really stay on if he was still given an important role but removed of the restrictions as leader, the only way to do this was to make him a 6th special ranger, hence Zeo. Him as red ranger and not leader wouldn't have worked, him and Tommy needed that leader/6th balance, always did, always will. Billy and Kim also still had more of their characters to develop.

Anyway, green Tommy, Jason, Trini and Zack couldn't have lasted forever, we needed a cast change eventually. They could have just gone to whole hog and replaced everyone.

[2580]

Tommy really needed to go after The Green Candle because he became a wet towel in the time between The Green Candle and White Light.

Crap, I meant to say wet blanket. :o

[Gauntlet_Ranger]

Then there would have been no Tommy and where would we be then?

[Mustang3173]

Then there would have been no Tommy and where would we be then?

Probably outside:D

[peebster04]

i think what they did was fine the power should have been that the MMPR had the DAIRANGER suits as power-up

[Green Elephant]

Makes a lot of sense-less needed original footage.