Why did Justin give up his super strength? Wasn't that stupid?

[Light Ranger]

Here's something that's always bothered me. In one episode, Justin (He's the kid, right? Frightening to think he's as old now as some of the new rangers)

Umm...anyway Justin, in one episode gets bit by a giant ant, or something, that give him 100x his normal strength, but somehow conflicts with his Ranger powers.

He actually seems more powerful than the Rangers.

By the end of the episode, they're all like "Oh Justin, you can't be selfish, you must give up this strength so that we can all combine our powers". Or something like that.

Except...HELLLOOOO? He has super powers! He may actually be MORE powerful than they are. Regardless, he can fight...so the logical thing to do is to give his Ranger powers to someone new, and then they have another person to fight with them...

[Jiemusu]

It's Turbo, what did you expect? Logic?

[Question]

You guys don't remember how being super strong was turning Justin into a douchenozzle? Or how he wanted to win records, but they'd be meaningless to him if he didn't win them through his own hard work?

It was kind of the point of the episode.

[Jiemusu]

I thought about that, but then I found that pretty hypocritical as these people telling kids that "all you need is hard work only and it pays off" were dosing up daily on Ranger energy to have their attributes enhanced as Power Rangers, and then piloted giant mechas. If you get me.

If they wanted to win using just their hard work, they'll do everything unmorphed.

[Question]

I thought about that, but then I found that pretty hypocritical as these people telling kids that "all you need is hard work only and it pays off" were dosing up daily on Ranger energy to have their attributes enhanced as Power Rangers, and then piloted giant mechas. If you get me.

If they wanted to win using just their hard work, they'll do everything unmorphed.

They were not using their Ranger powers and mecha to win track records and competitions at school, so the comparison falls kind of flat.

Defending the world from being conquered is not the same as being the best at running at school. I'm pretty sure if Justin had been morphing before track meets, the others would still have had a problem with it.

[Ao Ultimate]

I thought he gave up his powers so he could be a Ranger again. Though I think there were only three episodes after this that concluded Turbo so...yeah.

[Light Ranger]

I think that "don't use your powers to win at sports" thing is a pretty terrible explanation for why he should give them up. They could make the same point, and just tell him he can't complete in sports anymore as its not fair (actually May Parker/Spider-Girl dealt with that-and the correct conclusion isn't "I should give up my powers!").

You guys don't remember how being super strong was turning Justin into a douchenozzle?

Wait, that was the super strength doing that? :p :D

[Question]

I think that "don't use your powers to win at sports" thing is a pretty terrible explanation for why he should give them up. They could make the same point, and just tell him he can't complete in sports anymore as its not fair (actually May Parker/Spider-Girl dealt with that-and the correct conclusion isn't "I should give up my powers!").

And because he was being a douchenozzle, he would have ignored them.

Justin was using his powers to win at sports and other physical competitions, and when the others brought up their issues with this, he told them to screw off. This was the issue, not just that he couldn't morph anymore.

You did watch the episode, right? Because honestly, it seems like you only read an episode summary and are arguing based on that.

Wait, that was the super strength doing that? :p :D

Yes.

[Light Ranger]

No, I watched it. Granted, it was what, 15 years ago? But I remember that I felt REALLY strongly that it was a huge mistake for him to give up his powers.

And...he's a kid. There's reason right there for him to be annoying in that situation at first.

[Question]

No, I watched it. Granted, it was what, 15 years ago? But I remember that I felt REALLY strongly that it was a huge mistake for him to give up his powers.

And...he's a kid. There's reason right there for him to be annoying in that situation at first.

So you think having the irritating child retain the ability to rip people's arms off was a good idea?

[Jiemusu]

So you think having the irritating child retain the ability to rip people's arms off was a good idea?

I would have been all for it! Would have made Justin an awesome character. Problem is, they only had like 4 episodes for Justin to remain like that before the others left for space. 2 of those being a 2-parter focusing on the finale.

[Question]

...Justin would have been awesome if...

Okay, now I know you're just arguing this because you didn't like Turbo.

[Jiemusu]

...Justin would have been awesome if...

Okay, now I know you're just arguing this because you didn't like Turbo.

Actually, no.

I've been forcing myself more and more lately to like Turbo compared to what I did, and I can honestly say I'm starting to appreciate Turbo more for what it is now.

Still think Justin wasn't a good character though.

[Question]

Justin was a fine character, even though you're saying he'd be better if he didn't lean his lesson that one time.

Not my favorite Ranger, no, but far from the worst.

[Super Jeff]

I remember the episode vaguly, isn't it supposed to be a lesson on steroids or something? Or antroids?

[Light Ranger]

Maybe, but really in context all he needed to learn was that he shouldn't use his powers to take advantage of normal humans. THAT was the lesson that should have come from that, not "give up your powers so you can use these other powers instead of us giving them to someone else".

[Question]

...that was the lesson. You're reading too far into a season that wasn't known for being very deep.

[Deadpool]

I probably saw the episode at some point, but after hearing the information in this thread and combining it with my knowledge of power and getting powers, I have come to this conclusion:

The lesson is obvious. Anytime a child who has a type of power and is given a new, different power that conflicts not only with his previous power, but his alter-identity, they aren't going to keep the power. They always learn the lesson that they can't use power for themselves. They have to always use the it help other. And not only that, but since in this case it's a team show, they need to learn that you can't save the world on your own. You can always win when you work together.

[NekoLLX]

Maybe, but really in context all he needed to learn was that he shouldn't use his powers to take advantage of normal humans. THAT was the lesson that should have come from that, not "give up your powers so you can use these other powers instead of us giving them to someone else".

Gotta agree here, havbe him keep the power and then hit him over the head withthe reprocusions "you won't ever be nomal, you won't be seen as normal. You'll always be in the public eye, and under the enemy's gaze..."

[dodge]

The justin thing was my first reason for stop watching pr...hes a kid that morphs into an adult sized ranger.
Also, cars for zords...damn stupid. They gave up awsome dinozords for that??

[PowerOnyx]

...that was the lesson. You're reading too far into a season that wasn't known for being very deep.

But-but-they did an anorexia episode...

The justin thing was my first reason for stop watching pr...hes a kid that morphs into an adult sized ranger.
Also, cars for zords...damn stupid. They gave up awsome dinozords for that??

So the underage kid driving a car didn't bother you?

[Question]

But-but-they did an anorexia episode...

It still wasn't very deep.

Or subtle.

[Green Elephant]

The anorexia episode was about loving yourself. How anyone as gorgeous as Kat could have body issues borders on the psychotic.

[Question]

You've not met many models.

[Jiemusu]

Kat being an anorexic is totally realistic.

Look at her life. She's had to travel alot because of her dad's work and relocating, judging from her leadership skills and forward nature it seems clear that alot of her life has been of a high class with constant parental encouragement, and tution with both curricular and recreational activities.

This produces a HUGE lack of control that Kat would have had on her life growing up. Once she's done with school she'll probably have to go to ballet or riding lessons straight after, her weekends may be taken up with diving training. Kat would have had very little control over her life growing up with a lack of freedom.

So Kat needs some control.

Now how is she going to get that control? Think of one thing Kat can almost DEFINITLY control herself, something that's totally up to her, a decision only she can make?

What she eats, what she takes in through food, or how much or how little she can moderate.

Kat becomes anorexic because it's the only thing she can have control in.

This obviously develops into deep concerns about her feelings about the apperance of her own body.

Another explanation is that she become so stressed from her overwhelming lifestyle with it's lack of control that she sort of wants to... disappear.

Not that she's depressed or suicidal, but her thoughts and motivations become clouded, and she's not thinking rationally, her not eating is a subconscous, or even psychodynamically an unconscous, way of dealing with the notion that she wants to disappear from the stress.