Turbo...what the hell?

[Light Ranger]

Okay, I'm just watching the openings to some old seasons today, and it made me think...

The Rangers have new gear powered off the Zeo crystal, which is supposedly more powerful than their old Force based powers (err...morphing grid based).

Okay, so then a woman shows up who drives around in a submarine, so they...dump their gear for race cars?

What the hell!?!? :D

Sorry, it's just completely hilarious if I think about it too much.

In all seriousness, I've always assumed the Turbo powers were still using the Zeo crystal, and probably just modified equipment, so it's maybe not AS dumb as just throwing them away and starting over.

Also, as long as I'm babbling about Turbo, it's one of the few seasons I didn't see all of. I quit watching once they got rid of Tommy. Really made me mad. Didn't start again until Space. And I loved the episode where Adam is showing up New Guy, even WITHOUT functioning powers :D New Guy: "I suck, I'm just no good". Adam: Umm...no, you're great! Yeah...uh...just believe in yourself!

[Jiemusu]

Okay, so then a woman shows up who drives around in a submarine, so they...dump their gear for race cars?

What the hell!?!? :D

Apparently the Turbo zords, which could only be powered by morphing into Turbo Rangers, were more powerful than the Zeo zords, and were needed to get past some kind of forcefield, if I remember correctly.

In all seriousness, I've always assumed the Turbo powers were still using the Zeo crystal, and probably just modified equipment, so it's maybe not AS dumb as just throwing them away and starting over.

I see what you mean though. It did seem retarded to just leave the Zeo Megazord, Super Zeo Megazord, Red Battlezord AND Warrior Wheel just LYING there in storage and then sulk when they found themselves in trouble later.

Also, as long as I'm babbling about Turbo, it's one of the few seasons I didn't see all of. I quit watching once they got rid of Tommy. Really made me mad. Didn't start again until Space. And I loved the episode where Adam is showing up New Guy, even WITHOUT functioning powers :D New Guy: "I suck, I'm just no good". Adam: Umm...no, you're great! Yeah...uh...just believe in yourself!

Lol this is where we differ, I actually preferred Turbo with the new cast.

I liked Tommy as Green and White, but didn't really feel it with him as Red.

Adam was a boring character MMPR-Zeo in my eyes. Great martial artist, obviously! Carlos struggling morphed while Adam just pops in un-morphed and does a better job, but kinda overrated, and didn't really come out until the first half of Turbo which I didn't like anyway. So it's a double edged sword.

Tanya was alright, Kat was still hot and alot better than she was in MMPR3.

But my favorite Zeo Rangers were Rocky and Jason, and they got axed, so I was quite bitter with the old cast in Turbo.

The new cast was a chance to start afresh for me.

Pity Justin remained.

[Light Ranger]

To be fair to the new cast, I really didn't give them much of a shot. So I just liked that episode where Adam's showing him up :D

I know what you mean about Tommy as Red...he was great as Green and White, but it never quite seemed right as Red (or Black)...maybe because he wasn't he most powerful? I don't know.

Plus I hated that "Star" costume he had in Zeo.

[Super Jeff]

Their was adropped storyline that Billy was supposed to have created these new powers.

Honestly the only real reason I can see why they dropped the zeo powers for turbo wasn't because they were stronger, but maybe it just wasn't needed to fight against divatox.

[Question]

The Turbo Powers weren't related to the Zeo Crystal. They switched to Turbo because they needed the specialized Turbozords to get to Muiranthias.

I quit watching once they got rid of Tommy. Really made me mad. Didn't start again until Space.

The best part of this is how Space was made up of the same team you stopped watching because of.

[unknownhero]

The Turbo Powers weren't related to the Zeo Crystal. They switched to Turbo because they needed the specialized Turbozords to get to Muiranthias.



The best part of this is how Space was made up of the same team you stopped watching because of.

minus justin of course.

[Light Ranger]

They never said how the Turbo power were powered AFAIK, so I'd assume they're still using the Zeo crystal. Probably just modified their hardware or something.

[Question]

No, they're unrelated to the Zeo Crystal.

Forever Red kind of proves it.

[Jiemusu]

They never said how the Turbo power were powered AFAIK, so I'd assume they're still using the Zeo crystal. Probably just modified their hardware or something.

I'll tell you just exactly why this isn't true.


There's absolutely nothing to show they are the same power, at all. Zordon doesn't even tell them to hand in their Zeonizers to upgrade them, and it didn't involve the Zeo Crystal at all, it was a completely new power.


In Forever Red, Tommy morphing as Zeo and TJ morphing as Turbo pretty much proves they aren't the same.


The unused scripts for the Turbo Movie apparently suggested that Billy created them during Zeo, to explain his absences when the Gold Ranger appeared and why he was exhausted when he didn't fight with them anymore (which Rocky and the other Rangers led them to temporarly accuse Billy of being the Gold Ranger). The idea was to carry Billy on untill the Turbo Movie and explain that he created the Turbo powers, but with David Yost being unhappy with his reduced role, he left in Zeo, so they were unable to do this thus scrapping the idea. Reducing the creation of the Turbo Powers as a mystery. But if the plan went ahead, this is what would have been the case.

[GreenRanger4Life]

The unused scripts for the Turbo Movie apparently suggested that Billy created them during Zeo, to explain his absences when the Gold Ranger appeared and why he was exhausted when he didn't fight with them anymore (which Rocky and the other Rangers led them to temporarly accuse Billy of being the Gold Ranger). The idea was to carry Billy on untill the Turbo Movie and explain that he created the Turbo powers, but with David Yost being unhappy with his reduced role, he left in Zeo, so they were unable to do this thus scrapping the idea. Reducing the creation of the Turbo Powers as a mystery. But if the plan went ahead, this is what would have been the case.

I never heard that before, but I always just figured that was the case, as for the season of turbo I hated it till I watched every episode in order and then I grew to love it, it really wasn't that bad.

[2580]

Zordon: Before you are your new Turbo Morphers, five keys similar to Lerigot's Golden Key. Individually, they will power up your vehicles and give you access to your morphing powers, but together and only together will they be powerful enough to see you safely through your mission.

From what Zordon said, my gut conclusion is that the keys were the source of their Turbo powers, similar to how the Power Coins were the source of their Dino and Ninja powers before they started using the Zeo Crystal. I would imagine that Lerigot allowed them to analyze his Golden Key with the Power Chamber's computers before he gave himself up to Divatox. That way, the Rangers would have some way of coming after him into the Nexus Triangle and hopefully rescuing him and his family. As Zordon implied, the power of their five keys combined was equal to the power of Lerigot's Golden Key.

[Light Ranger]

I'll tell you just exactly why this isn't true.


There's absolutely nothing to show they are the same power, at all. Zordon doesn't even tell them to hand in their Zeonizers to upgrade them, and it didn't involve the Zeo Crystal at all, it was a completely new power.

Doesn't prove anything. The HARDWARE is different, doesn't mean it's not using the same power source.


In Forever Red, Tommy morphing as Zeo and TJ morphing as Turbo pretty much proves they aren't the same.

Also doesn't prove anything, as we've had multiple cases of rangers who no longer have powers showing up later with powers, etc. We can make up excuses for it, but it doesn't prove the Zeo and Turbo powers have different sources. Besides which, there's nothing to say that the Zeo and Turbo powers can't all be active at the same time anyway, all drawing from the Zeo Crystal. (And also besides which, lots of the rangers that show up are all drawing from the Force/Morphing Grid at the same time...don't know why the supposedly more powerful Zeo Crystal would be different.)


The unused scripts for the Turbo Movie apparently suggested that Billy created them during Zeo, to explain his absences when the Gold Ranger appeared and why he was exhausted when he didn't fight with them anymore (which Rocky and the other Rangers led them to temporarly accuse Billy of being the Gold Ranger). The idea was to carry Billy on untill the Turbo Movie and explain that he created the Turbo powers, but with David Yost being unhappy with his reduced role, he left in Zeo, so they were unable to do this thus scrapping the idea. Reducing the creation of the Turbo Powers as a mystery. But if the plan went ahead, this is what would have been the case.

That's really cool, and I didn't know about that, but first, it was never actually shown, and also, it STILL doesn't prove that they're not using the Zeo crystal even if it had been shown.

From what Zordon said, my gut conclusion is that the keys were the source of their Turbo powers, similar to how the Power Coins were the source of their Dino and Ninja powers before they started using the Zeo Crystal. I would imagine that Lerigot allowed them to analyze his Golden Key with the Power Chamber's computers before he gave himself up to Divatox. That way, the Rangers would have some way of coming after him into the Nexus Triangle and hopefully rescuing him and his family. As Zordon implied, the power of their five keys combined was equal to the power of Lerigot's Golden Key.

I may be screwed up about this, but weren't the coins actually devices that channeled the Force? They're just using different devices to channel the Zeo Crystal in Zeo, and there's no reason it couldn't be the same for Turbo devices.

I'm curious about that though...

[2580]

I may be screwed up about this, but weren't the coins actually devices that channeled the Force? They're just using different devices to channel the Zeo Crystal in Zeo, and there's no reason it couldn't be the same for Turbo devices.

I'm curious about that though...

Yeah I've never been entirely clear about how the morphing actually works. If the writers hadn't thrown in the term "Morphing Grid," I'm sure it would be a lot simpler.

[Jiemusu]

Doesn't prove anything. The HARDWARE is different, doesn't mean it's not using the same power source.

Ok so by this logic, any power at all in the whole of the franchise could all be from the same power source, even though they are used by different hardware?

No, until it's stated, it's just speculation. And fan speculation isn't canon.

Also doesn't prove anything, as we've had multiple cases of rangers who no longer have powers showing up later with powers, etc. We can make up excuses for it, but it doesn't prove the Zeo and Turbo powers have different sources. Besides which, there's nothing to say that the Zeo and Turbo powers can't all be active at the same time anyway, all drawing from the Zeo Crystal. (And also besides which, lots of the rangers that show up are all drawing from the Force/Morphing Grid at the same time...don't know why the supposedly more powerful Zeo Crystal would be different.)

"We can make up excuses for it"

Nice way of dodging that you're wrong. :D

But seriously, no, that's such an easy way out of admitting you're not right.

The Turbo Powers were never stated to come from the Zeo Crystal, and they aren't, simple as that.

Tommy and TJ would have probably been weakened together if it was possible for them to exist at the same time with the same colour source.

Hence why Billy's clone was weakened in "Blue Ranger Gone Bad" for example, and we can only imagine that Billy was too, until the clone was destroyed.

There is nothing to prove that they do, and you can't give me anything to prove that they are.

If a future PR episode states they are, then so be it.

But really, you're just viewing a speculation, there isn't anything you can really say that shows them being together.

So they both shared 4 of the same team members?

"Are the Zeo powers the same as the MMPR Ninja power?"

So they both have green rangers rather than black rangers in the core?

"Are the lost galaxy powers the same the lightspeed rescue powers?

So one was used after the other?

"Are the operation ovedrive powers the same as the jungle fury powers?"

Answer is no, to each one.

Really, there is nothing that tells of Zeo and Turbo being the same power source.

[Super Jeff]

Hence why Billy's clone was weakened in "Blue Ranger Gone Bad" for example, and we can only imagine that Billy was too, until the clone was destroyed.


Also how Trent and the evil WHite Ranger clone, Only one could exist if they share the same power in the morphing grid.

[Ernde38]

Doesn't prove anything. The HARDWARE is different, doesn't mean it's not using the same power source.



Also doesn't prove anything, as we've had multiple cases of rangers who no longer have powers showing up later with powers, etc. We can make up excuses for it, but it doesn't prove the Zeo and Turbo powers have different sources. Besides which, there's nothing to say that the Zeo and Turbo powers can't all be active at the same time anyway, all drawing from the Zeo Crystal. (And also besides which, lots of the rangers that show up are all drawing from the Force/Morphing Grid at the same time...don't know why the supposedly more powerful Zeo Crystal would be different.)



That's really cool, and I didn't know about that, but first, it was never actually shown, and also, it STILL doesn't prove that they're not using the Zeo crystal even if it had been shown.



I may be screwed up about this, but weren't the coins actually devices that channeled the Force? They're just using different devices to channel the Zeo Crystal in Zeo, and there's no reason it couldn't be the same for Turbo devices.

I'm curious about that though...

Ok so by this logic, any power at all in the whole of the franchise could all be from the same power source, even though they are used by different hardware?

No, until it's stated, it's just speculation. And fan speculation isn't canon.



"We can make up excuses for it"

Nice way of dodging that you're wrong. :D

But seriously, no, that's such an easy way out of admitting you're not right.

The Turbo Powers were never stated to come from the Zeo Crystal, and they aren't, simple as that.

Tommy and TJ would have probably been weakened together if it was possible for them to exist at the same time with the same colour source.

Hence why Billy's clone was weakened in "Blue Ranger Gone Bad" for example, and we can only imagine that Billy was too, until the clone was destroyed.

There is nothing to prove that they do, and you can't give me anything to prove that they are.

If a future PR episode states they are, then so be it.

But really, you're just viewing a speculation, there isn't anything you can really say that shows them being together.

So they both shared 4 of the same team members?

"Are the Zeo powers the same as the MMPR Ninja power?"

So they both have green rangers rather than black rangers in the core?

"Are the lost galaxy powers the same the lightspeed rescue powers?

So one was used after the other?

"Are the operation ovedrive powers the same as the jungle fury powers?"

Answer is no, to each one.

Really, there is nothing that tells of Zeo and Turbo being the same power source.

Plus, it was stated IN PRT by Justin, that their power source came from Eltar. I'm pretty sure the Zeo Crystal is still in the Power Chamber. Zordon and Alpha 5 didn't take it with them when they left for Eltar.

The Zeo Crystal is still in the Power Chamber ruins (or the dormant Zeo version of it).

The Turbo Powers didn't come from the Power Chamber either. It was the "stabilizer" on Earth that allowed the rangers to use them. Once it was destroyed, the powers were no longer stable, to be used on Earth, which is why they powered down after it (the Power Chamber) was destroyed.

[NekoLLX]

From what Zordon said, my gut conclusion is that the keys were the source of their Turbo powers, similar to how the Power Coins were the source of their Dino and Ninja powers before they started using the Zeo Crystal. I would imagine that Lerigot allowed them to analyze his Golden Key with the Power Chamber's computers before he gave himself up to Divatox. That way, the Rangers would have some way of coming after him into the Nexus Triangle and hopefully rescuing him and his family. As Zordon implied, the power of their five keys combined was equal to the power of Lerigot's Golden Key.

Great now you got me thinking what would happen if Leiogot used his golden key in a turbo morpher

[Ernde38]

Great now you got me thinking what would happen if Leiogot used his golden key in a turbo morpher

Probably mid-morph Justin, before he "grows"...LOL.