"Second In Commands" in the Zordon Era.

[Jiemusu]

One aspect of debates that's stirred up ALOT is the status of a second in command, who was it, why was it, etc. Alot of discussions seem to orientate around differences on who people believe was second in command in various seasons.

To be fair, it does seem to appear that the majority, if not all, of these discussions orientate around the Zordon era teams.

MMPR1
MMPR2
MMPR3
Zeo
Turbo
In Space.

People often differ ALOT to who the second in command of some of these seasons are. Most of the time, it's confusion due to the ignored distinction between sentai footage, colour roles, veteran members etc.

So what is it?

It's neither.

It's a complex issue that many try to oversimplify.

There are factors. Unmorphed ranking order, field roles.

Yeah.

I'm saying that the second in commands of the same teams can potentially differ on and off the field, morphed and unmorphed. So it's rarely the same person on and off the field, at least in the Zordon Era.

I'll see if I can explain.

MMPR1 (Day Of The Dumpster - Green With Evil)

The leader is undesputed. Jason Lee Scott.

Second in Command is easily Zack Taylor.


Jason Lee Scott. MMPR1 Un-morphed Leader/Field Commander

Zack Taylor. MMPR1 Un-morphed/Field Second In Command


Public (in order): Jason, Zack, Kim, Trini, Billy.
Field (in order): Jason, Zack, Kim, Trini, Billy.
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MMPR1/2 (Green With Evil - Green No More)

The leader is still Jason Lee Scott.

What about the second in command?

Zack, or Tommy?

Unmorphed, it's Zack, and it was always Zack. Even when Tommy was accepted as Tommy's equal, friendly rival, almost unmatched in skill and personality, even right until the last episode of MMPR1 (Oyster's Stew), Zack was the second of command unmorphed, no question. Even when Zack and Tommy were the only Rangers there in Oyster's Stew, it was Zack who did the morphing call and it was Zack who took the lead, since Tommy was still new at that point. Tommy still played the newbie unmorphed. But that's just unmorphed. For on the field, it appeared Zack was the second in command for field commander until Tommy became recruited as was with the team at the time. It appeared that Tommy as the Green Ranger backed up Jason directly in combat, and actually appeared more forward than Zack, taking more of a forward and brave role, almost matching Jason.

Obviously Green Candle - Return Of An Old Friend,
and Green No More - White Light, revert back to the previous pre-Green Ranger set up.


Jason Lee Scott. MMPR1/2 Un-morphed Leader/Field Commander

Zack Taylor. MMPR1/2 Un-morphed Second In Command

Tommy Oliver. MMPR1/2 Second In Command On Field.


It's interesting to point out that this pretty much stays the same during MMPR2 until Tommy leaves, then Zack becomes SIC on field once more, and until White Light, where things get rather interesting

Public (in order): Jason, Zack, Tommy, Kim, Trini, Billy.
Field (in order): Jason, Tommy, Zack, Kim, Trini, Billy.

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MMPR2 (White Light - Power Transfer)

Now, now now now now. :D

Just what is going on here?

Zordon states Tommy as the new leader, yet Jason does the morphing calls? What's going on.

Well, I think I've sussed it.


Tommy Oliver. MMPR2 Field Commander/ Un-morphed Second In Command

Jason Lee Scott. MMPR2 Un-morphed Leader/Second In Command On Field


Well?

Surely it makes sense.

Tommy as the White Ranger is the leader? As the White Ranger meaning when he is morphed, on the field, since his powers are stronger than Jason's, so he is the leader who faces off against Goldar (for example).

Jason, being the more confident one who Tommy himself accepted being led by, remains the group leader un-morphed what with being the Ranger they most respect un-morphed. Hence Jason doing the morphing call when Tommy was present as White, because he was the leader un-morphed while Tommy becomes the leader morphed on the field.

Makes sense? I think the Tommy/Jason leader distinction in MMPR2 is not as complex or confusing of a big issue or unsolved case as people make out.

This is, until the transfer of course.

Public (in order): Jason, Tommy, Zack, Kim, Trini, Billy.
Field (in order): Tommy, Jason, Zack, Kim, Trini, Billy.
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MMPR2/3 (Power Transfer - A Ranger Catastrophe)

Now. What the dang hell is going on here?

Easy.

Tommy, as White Ranger, is now the undesputed leader both morphed AND un-morphed. What with him being SIC un-morphed, and with the group leader un-morphed of Jason leaving, Tommy gets bumped from 2nd to 1st. Reason being, Kim and Billy accepted him as SIC of the field as Green, field leader as White, and SIC un-morphed as White. Rocky, Aisha and Adam, being new and not experienced enough to be too confident, accepted too.

But what about the SIC now?

Well, clearly un-morphed, it ain't Rocky, Aisha OR Adam, no matter what people want to think, all three were too inexperienced as rookies to be that.

I say Kim. She was alot more confident than Billy at this point, and much more forward. Even in MMPR1 or at the start of MMPR2, Kim was more confident and forward than Billy and higher in the command, while Billy helped in his "own way" (the genius in the lab who's inventions saved everyone's butts everyday). So while Billy wasn't SIC yet, in my eyes, it doesn't mean he was extremely useful. So Kim Ann Hart un-morphed. Do not despair Billy lovers, or Kim haters, Billy has let to shine.

On the field? Looks like a shared role. Looking through the episodes, it appears to be a joint effort between Kim and Rocky. I'll explain. Rocky, being the Red Ranger, controls the most powerful Thunderzord (the independant one, the agile powerful one that can act on it's own with easy, and can battle destroy monsters by itself without help), that's a big responsibility, and he controlled the Thunder Megazord, and the Power Blaster. However, Rocky was still a newbie at this point, although he didn't lead the team he still accepted his roles that became attached to wearing the Red Ranger colour and costume, but being brand new he wasn't confident enough to particularly take a forward role concerning giving orders to the group (although as you can see, he tried to develop it with calling on the zords or backing up Tommy's decisions directly etc). That's why Kim, as a veteran, had to step in. I say it's a joint effort. One has the suit, but the other has the experience. Quite frankely, I don't care if people are bitter that Rocky replaced Jason, he was Red Ranger, so he took the responsibility and role, he called, assembled and controlled the Thunder Megazord (and later the Shogunzords) for example, Adam didn't, so deal with it.


Tommy Oliver. MMPR2 Field Commander/ Un-morphed Leader

Kim Ann Hart. MMPR2 Un-morphed Second In Command/Shared Second In Command On Field.

Rocky DeSantos. MMPR2 Shared Second In Command On Field.


Public (in order): Tommy, Kim, Billy, Aisha, Rocky, Adam.
Field (in order): Tommy, Kim/Rocky, Billy, Aisha, Adam.

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MMPR3 (A Ranger Catastrophe - Different Shade Of Pink)

Kim was still there, but unable to really morph and was a total damsel in distress. The Rangers were down to 5. Personally, I loved this little era. Should have stayed, Kakuranger and the Alien Rangers managed with 5, but whatever.

Tommy remains the leader on the field and un-morphed, as the White Ranger.

But Kim's role as Second In Command un-morphed and Shared Second In Command On The Field becomes taken by Billy.

Tommy Oliver. MMPR3 Field Commander/ Un-morphed Leader

Billy Cranson. MMPR3 Un-morphed Second In Command/Shared Second In Command On Field.

Rocky DeSantos. MMPR3 Shared Second In Command On Field.


Public (in order): Tommy, Billy, Aisha, Rocky, Adam.
Field (in order): Tommy, Billy/Rocky, Aisha, Adam.

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MMPR3 (Different Shade Of Pink- Rangers In Reverse)

Ahh, Kat get's axed in place of Kat. Kat was annoying in MMPR3 but settled down and came back down to earth away from her ego in Zeo, in which I preferred her to Kim as I never really liked Kim. Anyway, I digress.

Yeah, Tommy is still the undesputed leader on the field and un-morphed.

What with Kim leaving, she loses her roles as Second In Command both un-morphed and on the field.

So what now?

Well, Kat.

No really. Billy was enjoying his role as Second In Command for a while. But when Kat joins, she's not a totally clueless, underconfident rookie who needs to learn, she's the personification of goody goody. She decides to build houses for the homeless in her spare time, oh and teach a chimp how to do sign language... oh gawd please stop, it's painful to watch. AND notice how she makes an insult directly to Bulk about him only having one friend, and the others accept it as if she's been there for a while and knows the ins and outs. She's barely been there a month! She has her head up her own behind in all honestly. But nevertheless, she was confident and matured beyond her years, when Rocky, Adam and Aisha weren't when they were recruited.

I say Kat became the Second In Command un-morphed. In fact she recieved SO MUCH focus when she joined, she even did the Ninja Ranger call when Tommy was present, pretty sure she was a go-getter, enough for the others to feel reassured in her taking a lead.

HOWEVER. While Kat took over Kim's role as Second In Command un-morphed, which Billy was securing temporarly as well as securing Kim's role as Shared Second In Command on the field, I believe that it was still Billy who kept hold of that role on the field as he did, but instead shared it with Kat rather than having it taken away. I mean come on, with Tommy leading, Kat was in the White Shogunzord too, she had a big say. So Kat replaced Rocky's role.

If anyone is wondering why I'm giving Kat and Billy a shared Second In Command on the field rather than giving one the role and making the other third, is because... KAT WAS STILL A NEWBIE. An overconfident stuck up newbie, but still, she was brand new, and lacked experience. It's the same reason I gave Kim and Rocky a shared role, obviously for experience/responsibility of suit rather than experience/maturity.

Tommy Oliver. MMPR3 Field Commander/ Un-morphed Leader

Katherine Hillard. MMPR3 Un-morphed Second In Command/Shared Second In Command On Field.

Billy Cranson. MMPR3 Un-morphed Second In Command/Shared Second In Command On Field.

Public (in order): Tommy, Kat, Billy, Aisha, Rocky, Adam.
Field (in order): Tommy, Kat/Billy, Rocky, Aisha, Adam.

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MMAR (Rangers In Reverse - Zeo Beginning)

Slightly weird this one.

Lulzy seeing Billy playing the age card on Tommy.

Great seeing Kat back as a child to knock her ego down.

Billy Cranson. MMAR Un-morphed Leader

Tommy Oliver. MMAR Un-morphed Second In Command

Public (in order): Billy, Tommy, Aisha, Kat, Rocky, Adam.

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Zeo(Zeo Beginning - A Golden Homecoming)

A good chance for Zordon to finally assign the colours to the Rangers that he felt was more suitable, rather than having to make exceptions to what was avaliable.

Yep. Tommy is still leader un-morphed and on the field, this time he is given the colour of leadership, Red, that Zordon felt was more suitable.

But what about the Second In Command? Remember this is Pre-Jason.

Kat? Rocky? Adam?

Well, obviously remember the un-morphed/field distinction.

Kat, even though she became more level headed and had much less of an inflated ego, was still mature beyond her years and considerate of others. After Tommy and before Rocky, she was probably the most forward of the group, who had a confident character, Adam was too shy, Tanya was a newbie, and Rocky's role was more of the upbeat presence for balance. She was nearly always backing Tommy too, and pretty much defined exactly what Second In Command is, someone that was literally just behind the person who is in command in almost every way, the Captain's first mate, backed up and assured the leaders' decisions. However, her suit and colour didn't really allow this to show much on the field. HOWEVER, there were examples of others like Rocky doing the morphing call and ordering her un-morphed above Kat, so it makes me wonder if there is a distinction between male and female Second In Command, and if it's even more of a complex issue than I originally thought. So, I consider Kat the FEMALE Second In Command un-morphed in Zeo until Jason's return.

Rocky. He retained some form of status from being Red an loose shared Second In Command as Red due to his special roles. This didn't die, he still maintained aspects of that even with the colours changing. It was energy, it didn't die, it just changed. And it did change. Rocky, being Blue, no longer had AS special as a role on the field as he had before, and literally became the same as everyone else as a core member. However, un-morphed, there were incidents when he did the morphing calls above Kat, Adam and Tanya (under Tommy, obviously) which suggested that he was the Second In Command un-morphed. But with Kat literally defining the role the person directly following the leader's decisions and being second (making a female SIC), Rocky (retaining a SIC role from before, although with Kim and Billy now retired, his experience led him to take more of a forward role just like those two did themselves before in MMPR when Zack and Jason left) appeared to be the MALE Second In Command un-morphed in Zeo. They did it, I don't see why it's different for them.

So, in my eyes, Pre-Jason, Kat and Rocky shared the role as different genders.

On the field though? It was neither Rocky or Kat. It used to be Kat in MMPR3 when she shared the White Shogunzord with Tommy, directly offering command, but now she had finally been given her own zord, and had officially become a core Ranger, so her power and command on the field lowered alot. Same with Rocky, with being Red Ranger, he used to do alot of piloting for Megazords, but being demoted to Blue, this was no longer the case.

Adam then? Well yes. Adam appeared as the SIC on the field for certain reasons. He was NOT the SIC generally, un-morphed AT ALL, and if you think he was then you need to rewatch Zeo, since he was still unbelievably shy and reserved still from MMPR3 and others did the morphing calls or even gave command above him constantly. However, his suit ranking, based purely on Ohranger Sentai footage but still significant, showed Adam as the one on the field with the 2nd highest power. This, however, stayed on the field, since Adam was outranked every time un-morphed by everyone bar Tanya.

Maybe it was because Adam had the strongest Zeo Zord, or maybe because Sentai footage dictated him having to use the Red Battlezord thanks to OhGreen, maybe it was the same reason Rocky had such role in MMPR2/3 (because of what the suit dictates rather than the personality of the holder), maybe it was just a coincidence since Blue usually outranks Green and Zordon was simply trying to define the most logical colours to people (maybe he didn't know the Green crystal had more power), maybe because Adam used to be Black that Green was the obvious choice (Black/Green alternative switching), or maybe Tommy/Zordon believed Adam (being the focused and spiritual one who's frog spirit dictated a drastic change in his future in contrast to a restricted personality now, i.e. frog being kissed turns into prince analogy) had more potential than Rocky (since Rocky already had the role of class clown and charismatic presence and Adam was practically nothing but a shy tag along at that point with no defined role, maybe Adam was so bland he NEEDED a role). Hell, we'll never know for sure.

Tommy Oliver. Zeo Un-morphed/Field Leader

Katherine Hillard. Zeo Un-Morphed Shared Second In Command
Rocky DeSantos. Zeo Un-Morphed Shared Second In Command

Adam Park. Zeo Second In Command On Field

Public (in order): Tommy, Kat/Rocky, Adam, Tanya.
Field (in order): Tommy, Adam, Rocky, Tanya, Kat.

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Zeo(A Golden Homecoming - Turbo Movie)

Jason returns, and takes over Rocky's role as MALE SIC un-morphed. Kind of ironic really, since Rocky was the one who replaced him in MMPR2 lol. But being British, I can appreciate irony. (OOH, j/k. I'm kidding :p)

Did he take over Adam in the field? Well yes and no. On foot, yes, definitly, what with actually leading Adam and the rest when Tommy was absent. In zords? No, because Jason generally didn't do zord battles, so Adam was secure in that aspect. Thus, the two shared it.

Did he replace Kat, or share it with Kat (Kat remaining female SIC while Jason becomes male SIC?) I say he shared it with Kat, as Kat was still very much forward and confident.

Ok.

Tommy Oliver. Zeo Un-morphed/Field Leader

Katherine Hillard. Zeo Un-Morphed Shared Second In Command
Jason Lee Scott. Zeo Un-Morphed Shared Second In Command/Shared Second In Command On Field

Adam Park. Zeo Shared Second In Command On Field

Public (in order): Tommy, Kat/Jason, Rocky, Adam, Tanya.
Field (in order): Tommy, Adam/Jason, Rocky, Tanya, Kat.

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Turbo(Turbo Movie - Passing Of The Torch)

No Jason, no Rocky. So, what gives now?

Tommy is leader un-morphed and in field, and Adam is second in command un-morphed and on the field.

No really, this is it Adam fanboys. This, is the exact moment when Adam became the second in command when not on the field, in Turbo.

Jason and Rocky had left, and Kat for some strange reason (although still backing up Tommy like a stereotypical Captain's first mate) took more of a restricted role when Adam was present.

Reason being? Well the theory was Adam, being a frog, started shy but would blossom into something far more contrasting what with having the frog spirit (i.e. kissing a frog to have it turn into a prince analogy). But ALSO with Justin being recruited, Adam could no longer afford to be the quiet reserved one anymore, since he HAD to be more forward and proactive since he was no longer a newbie trying to fill his shoes and mark his place, he was now a veteran. With Justin being dopey, making mistakes, and needing alot of guidance, Adam had to step up, and we finally see the character blossom into a second in command off the field. Not Kat, oddly, maybe she accepted this in Adam. She had her fair share of focus anyway, she started off with overfocus, and had it reduced down, Adam started off with almost no focus, and had it increased in Turbo, it makes sense.

In fact, while Kat did the Ninja Ranger call in MMPR3 with Tommy present, I recall Adam doing morphing calls in Turbo with Tommy present.

Tommy Oliver. Turbo Un-morphed/Field Leader

Adam Park. Turbo Second In Command On Field/Un-morphed

Public (in order): Tommy, Adam, Kat, Tanya, Justin.
Field (in order): Tommy, Adam, Kat, Tanya, Justin.

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Turbo(Passing Of The Torch - From Out Of Nowhere)

This begins to when the Turbo team changed it's members, and lasts to when they offically become accepted by Andros as team mates in PRIS.

Hell, this one is easy. What with all being new, TJ and Carlos shared leader un-morphed (e.g Carlos doing morphing calls above TJ), but TJ took it hands down on the field.

TJ. Turbo Field Leader/Shared Leader Un-morphed

Carlos. Turbo Second In Command On Field/Shared Leader Un-morphed

Public (in order): TJ/Carlos, Cassie, Ashley, Justin.
Field (in order): TJ, Carlos, Cassie, Ashley, Justin.

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In Space(From Out Of Nowhere - Survival of the Silver)

TJ, Carlos, Cassie and Ashley leave Justin behind (yay) and are recruited by Andros, with TJ and Carlos recieving new colours.

So what's going on here?

Andros recruited them, he is their leader.

TJ, still having served as a leader, was mearly demoted one step rather than having all roles removeod completely. He became Second In Command un-morphed, the others accepted this and so did Andros.

What about Carlos? Well MegaBlack was SIC in MegaRanger, so Carlos controls the blaster. It's the same reason why Adam appears SIC in Zeo, because Sentai footage dictated differently to the personality or previous roles in the Rangers that wore the suits in Power Rangers. For this reason, and for the personal belief that Carlos would have made a better Red Ranger in Turbo than TJ (thus should be Blue in PRIS, but having TJ, an African-American, as a Black Ranger was apparently WROOONNG ever since Zack was), I believe Carlos and TJ shared the role of SIC on the field (I mean they did share the role of leader un-morphed in Turbo IMO what with both being new and Carlos doing morphing calls for TJ etc).

Andros. Space Field/Un-morphed Leader

TJ. Space Second In Command On Field/Second In Command Un-morphed
Carlos. Space Second In Command On Field

Public (in order): Andros, TJ, Carlos, Cassie, Ashley.
Field (in order): Andros, TJ/Carlos, Cassie, Ashley.

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In Space(Survival of the Silver - Countdown To Destruction)

Time to round it off.

Zhane is introduced.

Honestly. Zhane really never joined the team. Even when he was introduced, the other five carried on pretty much as normal. Zhane was far more of an ally that appeared now and then or in emergencies, than officially being recruited. He wasn't recruited, he was Andros' ally and old friend who shared the same style suit.

In fact, what with never really being part of the team, it's hard to put him into the rankings. For this reason, he never actually acted as Second In Command. In the finale, he replaced Andros as the Leader, but really, that seems to be all I can find with Zhane, he always remained an enigma. He didn't even return with them for Lost Galaxy.

So I say he shared Andros' role.

Andros. Space Shared Field/Un-morphed Leader
Zhane. Space Shared Field/Un-morphed Leader

TJ. Space Second In Command On Field/Second In Command Un-morphed
Carlos. Space Second In Command On Field

Public (in order): Andros/Zhane, TJ, Carlos, Cassie, Ashley.
Field (in order): Andros/Zhane, TJ/Carlos, Cassie, Ashley.

[ForeverBlue]

There isn't really a 2nd in command ranger in each season (except for SPD)...anyone can be a 2nd in command.

[Jiemusu]

That might be true for some seasons, but not all. More than not, disregarding the leader, one member of the squad will end up being more forward and in control than the rest of his co-core members, thus appearing to take a higher command.

I felt like going through the Zordon era, just to see what appeared to be at face value.

[bulkmier65]

Very good analysis. I'd be interested to see you do the post-Zordon in Disney eras, even though, as you said, there is little debate. There's definitely some controversy over Time force, as well as Ninja storm. I could see there being slight controversy over both Dino Thunder and Jungle Fury, but the rest are fairly easy to identify.

Again, nice work.

EDIT: Something I just noticed when reading this over: You say that from White Light to Power Transfer, that Jason was still the Unmorphed leader. While I can see where your getting this, I would have to say that Tommy was both morphed and unmorphed leader. In some of those episodes, Jason never even showed up unmorphed, we only ever saw him when they were on the field (Or via stock footage of him unmorphed). One that comes to mind is Part 1 of the Ninja Encounter. Now, the six rangers are sitting in the park, then Trini, Zack, and Jason go to leave. Before they are even out of the frame, the teacher calls out for someone to save his baby, and Tommy, Kim, and Billy race of to save it. I don't really see how the first three didn't hear the call for help, and if Jason, as you state, was the unmorphed team leader, he should have been leading the rescue attempt (I realize this all happened because of the contractual issues, but still). I just don't see how these episodes point to Jason being the unmorphed leader during this period.

[Jiemusu]

Well obviously, like you said, the contract issues prevented Jason being there alot, and was either in the form of stock footage or a stunt actor with a (bad) voice dubbed over.

So the only episodes really to judge are Opposites Attract and Two For One, when Austin St John was really there along with Jason David Frank un-morphed.

Unfortunately situations where Austin could not be there to take lead and help, like the incident with the baby in Ninja Encounter, complicate things alot since Tommy, Kim and Billy are the only Rangers present. But think of it this way, every scenario un-morphed where Tommy led was a scenario when Jason wasn't present, and the group (even Tommy) had already accepted Jason as the caring 'big daddy' of the group.

In conjunction with Zordon saying Tommy was the leader as the "White Ranger" (while Tommy was morphed), with Jason agreeing (saying it's great), and with Jason doing the morphing call un-morphed in Opposites Attract, with Tommy doing all the leading morphed, with Tommy only doing the leading un-morphed when Jason was not present, and with Tommy having accepted Jason as the more confident leader un-morphed before at that point but with Tommy pocessing stronger powers on the field, it's simply a conclusion I reached. Others may not agree, but that's cool. It's just a way to solve an "unsolved" mystery that may plague the fandom.

[Super Jeff]

cool glad to hear your thoughts on this man.

I agree due to sentai footage gave some rangers appearence as SIC but they wern't.

For Rocky i always felt because he was red he was 2nd in command. When the power Transfer happened, the rangers trusted Rocky pioting the megazord to fight a monster. They could of sent tommy but they sent rocky instead. I think because they wanted to test his skills.

As for MMP3 I see Billy stepping up more and I think he shares the ther roll with Rocky.

I agree everything with you on Zeo and Turbo.

As for Space even when Zhane was there it still felt like TJ was still SIC. Heck when it was just the five of them (Minus Andros) TJ was the one that seemed to me that led the morphing call, and told every one that they are the power rangers. Although Zhane did seem to rile them up for the fight.

[Andros 1337]

I'd agree that Zhane never really was second-in-command, as he didn't seem to be even part of the team except in C2D. And just because Zhane stood in the middle in C2D doesn't automatically make him second-in-command.

[Jiemusu]

I'd agree that Zhane never really was second-in-command, as he didn't seem to be even part of the team except in C2D. And just because Zhane stood in the middle in C2D doesn't automatically make him second-in-command.

Agreed.

I mean most fans take it that because Zhane took over Andros' role in the finale, he was somehow a second in command throughout PRIS ever since he joined, which is wrong.

Personally, I decided to put Zhane as the same as Andros since at the end of PRIS, it felt as if the others have gotten to known Zhane well enough, and when Andros was away, they accepted him as suitable to take over Andros' role for that situation, if you're with me, when Andros wasn't present. With TJ being SIC.

But SPECIFICALLY when Andros wasn't present.

If they remained an active team after that, and Andros and Zhane were present, Zhane wouldn't be SIC because there was no need for Andros' role to be replaced, and TJ was filmly placed as SIC.

Only when Andros isn't there, would I give Zhane a role.

That's why I suggested Zhane somehow shared Andros' role at the end, since the others appeared to acknowledge it.

[zedd_heart_rita]

You forgot a team of Zordon-era rangers...

Technically, the Alien Rangers were Zordon-era as well.

And they were also a team where the lines between Leader and 2IC were much finer...

[Jiemusu]

You forgot a team of Zordon-era rangers...

Technically, the Alien Rangers were Zordon-era as well.

And they were also a team where the lines between Leader and 2IC were much finer...

True, I should add them in at some point.

[Question]

I demand you also add the Wild West Rangers and Psycho Rangers.

*is a jerk*

[Jiemusu]

Lo not the Wild West Rangers, purely because their chain of command was screwed.

I mean Kimberly at the top, as the leader? Even above White Stranger (cringe)?

Psycho Rangers though, I'll accept.

[twister111]

Nice analysis. Though, I think it goes like this:

Billy from MMPR all the way 'till he left to Aquitar. Then Adam for a short while. After passing the torch to In Space none there's just a leader. Then T.J. takes up the Second status. The Alien rangers don't have any just a leader.

Note: I don't really think this way. Since I think the only seasons with a second in command are Time Force, S.P.D., and R.P.M. So this is just me offering up another perspective on this thing for fun. 'Kay I'm off to update some other thread of mine.

:cool:

[Jiemusu]

The purpose of this thread was not for me to simply say who I thought was second in command personally for each Zordon era season.

The purpose of this thread was to heavily outline that there is a clear distinction between UNMORPHED (generally in terms of the character itself and their chain of command) and ON THE FIELD (more tied in with the priviladges of the suit they're wearing over the rest of their team mates, disregarding who they are or what they're like unmoprhed) when it comes to second in commands (or even leaders).

So for example Adam might be viewed as SIC in Zeo on the field, but unmorphed he was higher only than Tanya, for example.

[coolbluetj]

I'm trying to understand the distinction between unmorphed and on the field as you stated to determine SIC status. What is the criteria/ definition/ aspects of an unmorphed SIC? Right now all I'm getting is who gets to say It's morphin time, shift into turbo, and let's rocket and holds the blaster. If TJ is the SIC for the space team but, Carlos holds the quadro blaster isn't that Carlos just doing his job? Him holding his blaster wouldn't really take away from the SIC status TJ has.

[Jiemusu]

I'm trying to understand the distinction between unmorphed and on the field as you stated to determine SIC status. What is the criteria/ definition/ aspects of an unmorphed SIC? Right now all I'm getting is who gets to say It's morphin time, shift into turbo, and let's rocket and holds the blaster. If TJ is the SIC for the space team but, Carlos holds the quadro blaster isn't that Carlos just doing his job? Him holding his blaster wouldn't really take away from the SIC status TJ has.

In Megaranger, PRIS's sentai counterpart, it was Megablack who was the second in command, not Megablue.

PRIS is a contrast from this because TJ was the leader in Turbo, but was bumped down to second and given the blue costume in PRIS, with Carlos as the black ranger.

Pretty much all, if not a hell of a lot, of morphed battle scenes in Power Rangers is footage that is taken from Super Sentai, and Power Rangers In Space is no exception, from a Power Rangers In Space point of view, Carlos would seem to take charge, what with the power blaster and calling of the Astro Megazord, and it does count, because it gave Carlos the higher command and authority to do so, which puts him as higher than TJ on the field.

Obviously this is due to sentai footage of Megablue not being the SIC in Megaranger, as well as the apparent taboo of having an African American as a black ranger again, but nevertheless... it still happened.

Morphing calls and back to action calls for the unmorphed off the field.

Authority over blaster and zord calling for the morphed on the field.

It's all significant, because it puts one ranger as higher than the other in terms of responsibility.

Carlos took alot more of a lead on the field than TJ did.

With TJ, it was one off episodes, as a general point of view, it was Carlos.

However, with TJ being the leader in Turbo, unmorphed he seemed to have more of a say than Carlos.

You say holding the blaster is just Carlos doing his job. Yes, and his job was vice-field commander.

No, that didn't take TJ's SIC role away from him. Because TJ's role was unmorphed second in command.

The same scenario apparently happens in Zeo. Rocky as SIC unmorphed with a higher chain of command for morphing calls and back to action calls, yet Adam appears to have a higher chain of command when it comes to scenarios such as zords.

Obviously, anyone who thinks Adam was a second in command unmorphed, off the field, doesn't get that there is a distinction between on and off the field for SICs for alot of seasons, and needs to rewatch Zeo.

Just like I'd say the same for people who thought Carlos was SIC unmorphed purely for what the sentai footage dictated on the field, it'll be madness to do that.

There is distinction between unmorphed and on the field and not alot of people get that.

[coolbluetj]

Ok. I'm starting to get an understanding of you point but I am not there fully. I guess for the most part I don't get why you need a SIC unmorphed (who role is to what?-Morphing and back to action calls) and a SIC on field to call zords, hold the blaster, etc. I'm sorry if I'm being difficult I'm really trying to grasp this concept.

While yes I agree the writers plop footage in that that guides field ranger personas away from the unmorphed personas in previous seasons. I just think in terms of a overall leader and a task leaders. In a group you have the one established leader and then task leaders. When a particular situation appears a task leader will arise using their expertise to deal with the situation while still under the overall leadership of the established leader. In another situation a new person will rise to use their expertise as the task leader and etc.

I not sure if I'm conveying the point I want to say accurately as it is in my head. I just always looked at it as in the beginning Zack seemed to be SIC, I saw Green Ranger as Ranger boost because he was always late to the party (from what I remember). When White ranger appeared on the scene, naturally Jason would move to SIC. When the power transfer happen I felt Kim/Billy shared that role depending on the ep. Zeo I didn't feel I could see a true SIC because everyone had good fighting instincts. I can remember a few eps where Tanya, Kat, Rocky, and Adam would do something that Tommy would suggest the rest of the team follow suit in.

I felt the first half of Turbo I personally want to say Adam because he's my favorite but, looking back at the eps I didn't get a full sense of a SIC. The second half of Turbo I think Carlos gets it by default Ashley, Cassie, and Justin never seemed to be leader material. During the space season again my personal bias would lead me to see TJ as SIC because he went down from leader when Andros appeared on the scene. The first time I saw Carlos summoned the qudro blaster and pilot the astro megazord I was miffed because I was thinking whoa that should be TJ's job (I had no idea ranger footage was borrowed from Sentai until LSR). I agree on the footage alone Carlos is the SIC but, since I'm TJ fan I have to keep in my head he was the SIC...lol.

[Andros 1337]

Ok. I'm starting to get an understanding of you point but I am not there fully. I guess for the most part I don't get why you need a SIC unmorphed (who role is to what?-Morphing and back to action calls) and a SIC on field to call zords, hold the blaster, etc. I'm sorry if I'm being difficult I'm really trying to grasp this concept.

While yes I agree the writers plop footage in that that guides field ranger personas away from the unmorphed personas in previous seasons. I just think in terms of a overall leader and a task leaders. In a group you have the one established leader and then task leaders. When a particular situation appears a task leader will arise using their expertise to deal with the situation while still under the overall leadership of the established leader. In another situation a new person will rise to use their expertise as the task leader and etc.

I not sure if I'm conveying the point I want to say accurately as it is in my head. I just always looked at it as in the beginning Zack seemed to be SIC, I saw Green Ranger as Ranger boost because he was always late to the party (from what I remember). When White ranger appeared on the scene, naturally Jason would move to SIC. When the power transfer happen I felt Kim/Billy shared that role depending on the ep. Zeo I didn't feel I could see a true SIC because everyone had good fighting instincts. I can remember a few eps where Tanya, Kat, Rocky, and Adam would do something that Tommy would suggest the rest of the team follow suit in.

I felt the first half of Turbo I personally want to say Adam because he's my favorite but, looking back at the eps I didn't get a full sense of a SIC. The second half of Turbo I think Carlos gets it by default Ashley, Cassie, and Justin never seemed to be leader material. During the space season again my personal bias would lead me to see TJ as SIC because he went down from leader when Andros appeared on the scene. The first time I saw Carlos summoned the qudro blaster and pilot the astro megazord I was miffed because I was thinking whoa that should be TJ's job (I had no idea ranger footage was borrowed from Sentai until LSR). I agree on the footage alone Carlos is the SIC but, since I'm TJ fan I have to keep in my head he was the SIC...lol.

I totally agree with your post. I personally think it is flawed logic to think in terms of an unmorphed second-in-command and a field second-in-command. The fact is that T.J. was the intended SIC of the Space Rangers by Saban. The only reason why he wasn't made the Black Space Ranger was because Saban didn't want to go through the risk of having an African-American character as the Black Ranger. While Sentai footage would imply Carlos was second-in-command, T.J. is the OFFICIAL second-in-command of the Space Rangers as intended by Saban.

[Question]

Maybe Carlos shot the Quadroblaster because he had better aim with ranged weapons due to his experience with the Thunder Cannon. TJ was more of a hand-to-hand fighter.

No one who saw the first scene of "The Rangers' Leap of Faith" can say that TJ wasn't second in command of that team. Hell, if that were the first PRiS scene I'd ever watched, I'd have pegged TJ as straight out leader.

[Jiemusu]

Ok. I'm starting to get an understanding of you point but I am not there fully. I guess for the most part I don't get why you need a SIC unmorphed (who role is to what?-Morphing and back to action calls) and a SIC on field to call zords, hold the blaster, etc. I'm sorry if I'm being difficult I'm really trying to grasp this concept.

No problem, I can see from a perspective of having a distinction between the two seems pointless as there often appears to be little use of a SIC until they're actually on the field, but if looking closer it makes sense.

Some rangers may have more confidence than others, but then a different ranger will have a stronger zord or their suit will give them more powers. The ones with more confidence will step up to take the morphin call or command the rangers out of battle, but when they're in batte, it becomes more of the responsibility of the ranger with greater powers.

Another example would be, say in MMPR2, Rocky for zords, Kim/Billy for everything else, in terms of SIC. Depends on how you view it. The reason for this is that Rocky was still a newbie compared to the rest. But it's a rough example.

While yes I agree the writers plop footage in that that guides field ranger personas away from the unmorphed personas in previous seasons. I just think in terms of a overall leader and a task leaders. In a group you have the one established leader and then task leaders. When a particular situation appears a task leader will arise using their expertise to deal with the situation while still under the overall leadership of the established leader. In another situation a new person will rise to use their expertise as the task leader and etc.

The thing is... that alot of people try to oversimplify it pick only one, say, "SIC task leader" per season. And that's why alot of difference in opinions come into play, because most people are looking at it from, say, a zord perspective, others may look at it from a perspective unmorphed (or even morphed before the zords) without the leader present. People seem to look at it from different perspectives then try to oversimplify it saying there is only one SIC in a season. Turns out, usually, there are 2 for different purposes, even three for some.

So you get people that try to pretend there is only one (pretty much SPD is the only one I can find where there is only 1).

Then you get some people that make out there are no SICs in a season, and that potentially everyone apart from the leader can be a SIC.

It's neither, SIC like roles ARE defined among the group for different purposes, but not each ranger has them. There are usually 1 - 3 different types of SICs in a team for different roles.

I not sure if I'm conveying the point I want to say accurately as it is in my head. I just always looked at it as in the beginning Zack seemed to be SIC, I saw Green Ranger as Ranger boost because he was always late to the party (from what I remember). When White ranger appeared on the scene, naturally Jason would move to SIC. When the power transfer happen I felt Kim/Billy shared that role depending on the ep. Zeo I didn't feel I could see a true SIC because everyone had good fighting instincts. I can remember a few eps where Tanya, Kat, Rocky, and Adam would do something that Tommy would suggest the rest of the team follow suit in.

Actually.

Zack and Tommy in MMPR1 is a PERFECT example for what I mean.

Who is the SIC?

Unmorphed, easily Zack, since Tommy is the rookie/newbie at that point, and is shy/reserved, lack of confidence. Zack has far more confidence and is far more forward.

Morphed, easily Tommy, he practically co-leads with Jason when he is present, not Zack, this is because of what sentai footage and his suit priviladges dictate.

In fact, Zack and Tommy in MMPR1 is the same story for what Rocky and Adam are in Zeo.

If that's not freaky enough, the personalities are even the same. Zack/Rocky the upbeat class clown (more confidence unmorphed, more command unmorphed), Tommy/Adam the shy and reserved yet brave one (sentai footage/suit priviladges put them higher on the field).

But it's a good example that there isn't ONE second in command in a season, it's usually a shared role between two (not all), or there is a distinction between unmorphed, morphed and zords.

I would say the shared role, or at least definition of different SIC roles, is different per episode. But that's not a view I personally hold, I believe the roles are preset as more rangers have more confidence but others have more powers.

I felt the first half of Turbo I personally want to say Adam because he's my favorite but, looking back at the eps I didn't get a full sense of a SIC. The second half of Turbo I think Carlos gets it by default Ashley, Cassie, and Justin never seemed to be leader material. During the space season again my personal bias would lead me to see TJ as SIC because he went down from leader when Andros appeared on the scene. The first time I saw Carlos summoned the qudro blaster and pilot the astro megazord I was miffed because I was thinking whoa that should be TJ's job (I had no idea ranger footage was borrowed from Sentai until LSR). I agree on the footage alone Carlos is the SIC but, since I'm TJ fan I have to keep in my head he was the SIC...lol.

The first half of Turbo was quite weird.

I mean most of the time, Tommy as the leader was present, but other rangers were taking more of a charge than him.

My intake is that Turbo wanted to really emphasize Justin being the newbie more than any other seasons really did with new rangers. Rocky, Adam and Aisha didn't get a bunch of focus in MMPR2, nor Tanya in Zeo or Karone in Lost Galaxy, yet Justin practically WAS Turbo, but they had to highlight the fact that he was the lowest of command being a kid, so it felt like each of the veteran rangers were all on the same boat, in an attempt to outline Justin's status more.

Weird examples such as Kat, Tanya and Adam being present. You'd have Kat telling Tanya to do it, Tanya doing the call, the girls morphing, and then Adam would do it later by himself, so Adam didn't do the call, but then the call didn't dictate him morphing. It was very strange.

At face value, I would label Tanya as SIC unmorphed and Adam as SIC morphed. My reasoning is this. Kat came a long way from MMPR3, from the goody-two shoes Miss Perfect "I'm better than all of you" ranger to finally coming back down to earth, taking a reality check, and adapt by diverging down to create less of a cultural gap, by doing this she knocked herself down a few steps in that command, holding back and awful lot and letting Rocky step up in Zeo, and them Adam and Tanya in Turbo.

Now, Adam, had come along way since... well, even Zeo. He was the shy one even in Zeo, but now with Justin entering, Adam could no longer afford to be the shy one, he was a veteran to Justin, Adam had to step up now, no more excuses. He was, however, still rather quiet and shy, because that was genuinly HIS character. Tanya, however, came an even longer way, she was the newbie in Zeo but that didn't stop her from making herself known, and a sudden rush of confidence made her role higher come Turbo time, she appeared to have the most confidence of the entire squad IMO, for that reason (and for her often doing calls above the others) I label Tanya as unmorphed SIC in Turbo. But Adam, due to the elements of gender, and costume numbering (Justin was 2, but I mean c'mon seriously), Adam stepped up on the field similar to how he did in Zeo.

Adam would probably be third in command unmorphed in all fairness.

I totally agree with your post. I personally think it is flawed logic to think in terms of an unmorphed second-in-command and a field second-in-command. The fact is that T.J. was the intended SIC of the Space Rangers by Saban. The only reason why he wasn't made the Black Space Ranger was because Saban didn't want to go through the risk of having an African-American character as the Black Ranger. While Sentai footage would imply Carlos was second-in-command, T.J. is the OFFICIAL second-in-command of the Space Rangers as intended by Saban.

So what are your thoughts on the SIC in Zeo then?

And you can't say Adam, for that would contradict this post of yours. Since you deny Carlos having any SIC role apart from sentai footage, but the two would be on the same boat. SIC only due to sentai footage.

Even better, what are your thoughts in terms of Zack and Tommy in MMPR1?

Maybe Carlos shot the Quadroblaster because he had better aim with ranged weapons due to his experience with the Thunder Cannon. TJ was more of a hand-to-hand fighter.

As interesting idea as that is, doesn't explain Carlos calling for the Astro Megazord when TJ is present.

What so, Carlos was a better... zord caller than TJ?

[Question]

As interesting idea as that is, doesn't explain Carlos calling for the Astro Megazord when TJ is present.

What so, Carlos was a better... zord caller than TJ?

I'm okay with that.

I also don't think that calling a zord or holding a specific weapon should be an indicator of rank, personally.

[coolbluetj]

I'm okay with that.

I also don't think that calling a zord or holding a specific weapon should be an indicator of rank, personally.

I'm in the same boat with you Question, essentially any ranger could call the mega weapon blaster or the zords. I can recall different times when someone has summoned different zords outside of the leader or questionable SIC. Maybe calling the zords is like calling shotgun whoever saids it first gets the honor of knowing the zords came out because of them. Summoning the mega weapon I think is a ranger instinct call, you've weaken the enemy with a few kicks and punches, you slashed them a few times with your blade weapon, shot a few rounds from your sidearm blaster and now you feel it's time to end things so call out the big guns and boom monster is dead...or so you think...enlargement time...then someone calls for the megazord.

[Question]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNd3SaRjz4I

Watch that first scene, before the credits even start, and tell me TJ wasn't completely in charge of that bridge.

[Super Jeff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNd3SaRjz4I

Watch that first scene, before the credits even start, and tell me TJ wasn't completely in charge of that bridge.

Yeah, TJ took charge.

[Jiemusu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNd3SaRjz4I

Watch that first scene, before the credits even start, and tell me TJ wasn't completely in charge of that bridge.

Any leading TJ does there was with them being unmorphed, which just supports my theory as I said TJ was the SIC unmorphed anyway.

People still don't seem to understand about this distinction.

In Space has it with TJ and Carlos
Zeo has it with Rocky and Adam
MMPR has it with Zack and Tommy

[Question]

Understanding the distinction and disagreeing with it are two different things.

I don't believe Carlos was second in command, morphed or otherwise. Everything that may point to him being SIC can entirely be attributed to Sentai footage. Which is a cheat, sure, but also true.

[Jiemusu]

So that would also disregard Adam being the SIC in Zeo or Tommy being the SIC in MMPR1 entirely?

Since the thing that points to each of those is sentai footage which, as seen by Carlos, people don't agree with.

Personally, it sounds to me like people are just picking and choosing depending on who they like better, then saying something different for others the next.

If we place a distinction between unmorphed and on the field into the equation, it makes things less complicated and it explains both sides, thus removing and confusion to differences people have in who took the role, since they both took different roles for differnet reasons. So there is no "ONE" SIC, apart from seasons that define it, i.e. SPD.

Most of the people who are apparently SIC on the field are underconfident and shy compared to the rest in person, and those that are more forward and confident unmorphed are lower on the field due to their suits, hence confusion when people label SICs.

[Question]

So that would also disregard Adam being the SIC in Zeo or Tommy being the SIC in MMPR1 entirely?

If I weren't talking solely about TJ/Carlos, sure. I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned anyone else.

Actually, I don't even think MMPR bothered with SIC's, so that question is irrelevant to Question (sidenote - :D). The only reason I'm so passionate about TJ is because he was the clear second, and I was miffed he was demoted in Space. Maybe he delegated authority for Quadroblaster/Zords to Carlos so he could focus on strategy.

[Jiemusu]

If I weren't talking solely about TJ/Carlos, sure. I'm pretty sure I haven't mentioned anyone else.

No, you weren't talking about anyone else, I meant generally.

People often use sentai footage as a basis for some, then unmorphed command as a basis for another, it's contradicting. People don't and shouldn't have the right to just pick and choose like that over their favorites and make out it's the official command, because it's not.

Even taking out TJ and Carlos, it's still present.

If the distinction is at least there as a guideline, it prevents the whole...

Person 1: Adam was SIC in Zeo obviously because he piloted the Red Battlezord once
Person 2: What? That's just because Zeo copied Ohranger footage, it's meaningless, Rocky clearly does the morphing calls and takes the lead unmorphed without Tommy even when Adam is there, Adam was too shy to be a SIC, he had little command, if not higher than only Tanya.
Person 1: What about his suit then? Number 4, higher than 3, there you go see, he's higher in command.
Person 2: Again, sentai footage, and costume ranking, that's the reason why Rocky could be considered a SIC field commander in MMPR2 for things like zords, because his costume made the red ranger a SIC costume under the white ranger, where as unmorphed Kim and Billy were veterans and higher. Adam may have had that as morphed Zeo Green, but unmorphed he doesn't.

... kind of conversations that start arguments that could probably be avoided if people accept there isn't just ONE fixed SIC role for one, or no defined roles for all either where just ANYONE can be a SIC in the squad, but halfway... certain members could be considered SICs for different reasons.

With the distinction between unmorphed and on the field for SIC, EVEN if we don't even use the distinction to define each role for each season, if we just use it as a guideline for when SIC discussions come up, it can prevent the above speech extract, and make it much less confusing because then there won't be arguments, as it won't be oversimplified to black/white.

[Question]

Going by number in Zeo is silly anyway. Gold Ranger was six, and he didn't outrank Tommy.

I'd have to watch Zeo and MMPR again to form any sort of coherent counterargument, so I'll just assume you're right about them.

[Jiemusu]

Going by number in Zeo is silly anyway. Gold Ranger was six, and he didn't outrank Tommy.

That's not my personal view, that's just some stuff I've seen people say.

It's probably overrated OAR Adam hype, but nethertheless it's still significant to my point in my eyes.

I'd have to watch Zeo and MMPR again to form any sort of coherent counterargument, so I'll just assume you're right about them.

Well it's just from what I've seen, Tommy (green) and Adam were reserved and shy as hell unmorphed yet were more forward in morphed battle due to Burai and Ohgreen, then Zack and Rocky were far more forward then them unmorphed with morphing calls and generally most of the time (not just one offs) yet because of sentai ranking... Mammoth Ranger and Ohblue were lower on the field than the greens.

[Turbo_Red]

I think as far as Zeo goes, people tend to take Adam speaking a little more (since Billy & Kim aren't a screentime factor anymore) as a SIC role, coupled with the number. I think it's safe to say that Rocky was the leader of the three ninja rangers (he, Adam & Aisha), so why would Adam suddenly be ranked higher than Rocky? Plus we can't forget that Rocky felt unneeded with the return of Jason, whom most people consider the SIC of the team during his stint. So why would Rocky feel replaced or useless by the Rangers' former leader unless he was challenging his SIC status? Finally there's the fact that we do see alot of Tommy/Adam, Rocky/Kat/Tanya pairings in the seasons. The Rangers & Zordon would have to be the worst battle tacticians of all time to send both their leaders off to battles all the time leaving the rest of the team on their own.

Good example of that last thing would be the X-Men. When they made the blue team and gold team Cyclops led one team and Storm (the team's SIC) led the other. You didn't see Cyke and Storm both on the same team with Gambit or Wolverine or somebody leading the rest of the group. So yeah, I think alot of people look at Adams character development (and now Always A Chance/OAR overratedness) as SIC status during Zeo, as nothing we ever saw during the season ever gave us an undisputed SIC (except maybe when Jason showed up).

[Jiemusu]

I think as far as Zeo goes, people tend to take Adam speaking a little more (since Billy & Kim aren't a screentime factor anymore) as a SIC role, coupled with the number.

That's just it though, Adam is probably the quietist member of the whole team, which confuses me when people try to claim he's higher because of his number. But the distinction I'm trying to outline helps to make it less complicated.

I think it's safe to say that Rocky was the leader of the three ninja rangers (he, Adam & Aisha), so why would Adam suddenly be ranked higher than Rocky? Plus we can't forget that Rocky felt unneeded with the return of Jason, whom most people consider the SIC of the team during his stint. So why would Rocky feel replaced or useless by the Rangers' former leader unless he was challenging his SIC status?

Exactly!

Rocky felt replaced as SIC unmorphed when Jason returned, to me that seems more stronger evidence than someone having a square as their visor.

But as not to be bias or ignore Adam's roles, Adam's suit gave him a higher command with zords in Zeo as did Rocky's suit giving him a higher command with zords over Kim and Billy in MMPR.

Finally there's the fact that we do see alot of Tommy/Adam, Rocky/Kat/Tanya pairings in the seasons. The Rangers & Zordon would have to be the worst battle tacticians of all time to send both their leaders off to battles all the time leaving the rest of the team on their own.

I always saw alot of Tommy/Kat pairings, then Rocky/Tanya/Adam, but perhaps we're just watching different episodes.

But, even with Rocky/Tanya/Adam present, Rocky is undesputably more forward unmorphed with his commands, Adam just stands there or follows like a robot.

But I do see what you mean. But we saw alot of Tommy/Kim and then Rocky/Billy/Adam/Aisha pairings in MMPR2/3. Which means the leader and unmorphed SIC were off together, but then again they were a couple, so I guess it's different.

Good example of that last thing would be the X-Men. When they made the blue team and gold team Cyclops led one team and Storm (the team's SIC) led the other. You didn't see Cyke and Storm both on the same team with Gambit or Wolverine or somebody leading the rest of the group. So yeah, I think alot of people look at Adams character development (and now Always A Chance/OAR overratedness) as SIC status during Zeo, as nothing we ever saw during the season ever gave us an undisputed SIC (except maybe when Jason showed up).

Like I said, I don't think of it as having only ONE SIC, that's why I bring in this distinction between unmorphed (the teenager's personality) and on the field (zords, sentai fight footage) since to justify the roles of the rangers without debates of "it was him, no it was obviously her, no him, no her" etc.

[Question]

...Rocky didn't feel replaced as SIC when Jason came back. He felt replaced because suddenly everyone wanted to hang out with Jason and no one wanted to hang out with him.

[Jiemusu]

...Rocky didn't feel replaced as SIC when Jason came back. He felt replaced because suddenly everyone wanted to hang out with Jason and no one wanted to hang out with him.

I think that was just a side. Jason coming back in Zeo marked him as an undesputed SIC onwards, and Rocky felt shunned, and wanted to prove himself, hence him going up against Mondo alone.

If it was just to do with hanging around with his friends, what would be the point in Rocky trying to prove himself solo against Mondo, what would that have to do with people hanging around with Jason in their spare time? It wasn't just affecting the teenagers social life, for Rocky it was to do with ranger duties as well.

[Question]

He was trying to prove he was as badass as Jason, and hence people should be wanting to chill with him more. Facing the king of the Machine Empire alone would have been a horrible decision if he was trying to prove he was a good SIC.

You guys are reading way too much into a system that doesn't even have clearly defined SIC's. The SIC is pretty much whoever the episode is focusing on that week.

[Mr. Yellow]

In Space, when unmorphed TJ was always the one finding things out and giving commands more then Carlos, and actually a lot more then Andros. He was the one who came up with several of of the plans against the Psycho Rangers.

[DaiRed]

He was trying to prove he was as badass as Jason, and hence people should be wanting to chill with him more. Facing the king of the Machine Empire alone would have been a horrible decision if he was trying to prove he was a good SIC.


It's kind of funny how he was worried about being replaced by the guy he replaced.:p