Are Dillon and Ziggy "extra" rangers?

[bulkmier65]

I was having this conversation in another thread, and figured I'd make it it's own.

I consider them to be extra rangers for several reasons:

1. They did not become rangers in the first two episodes. In all past seasons, the "main team" was assembled by the end of the second episode. In RPM, by the end of the second episode, we had three rangers, and one who was about to become a ranger.

2. The main team was already established. We don't know for how long Scott, Summer, and Flynn have been rangers, but we know at most it's been a year. So they work together and know each other well, and these other two are joining after the fact, making them additional to the main team.

3. They have different morphers. Usually the main team has a set of morphers that are all identical, and the extra ranger's differs slightly. 'Nuff said.

4. If Ziggy and Dillon are part of the main team, then it breaks the five rangers-two girls rule. Now, I know that this rule isn't really set in stone, but usually when there's a main team of five, two of them are girls. NS, DT, and JF break this rule because they all start with a main team of three, same as RPM.

5. Their zords aren't part of the base Megazord. They have zords that can form their own megazord, and later combine with the base megazord, just like most extra rangers.

[Question]

Yes, they're extra.

[ForeverBlue]

Yeah, they are considered extra....just like in Go-onger for Go-on Black and Go-on Green (they joined in episode 2).

Just like Blake and Hunter in NS (and their sentai counterparts for Hurricanger)...they were extras.

Tommy would have been considered as a extra too in Dino Thunder while he was mentor.

[Ranger Black]

Yep, they're extras. After readin your reasons, i totally agree that they're additional

[Green Elephant]

In NS, DT, JF and RPM and their Sentai counterparts there are three tiers of rangers.

1st Tier: the core group
NS: Shane, Dustin, Tori
DT: Conner, Kira, Ethan
JF: Casey, Lily, Theo
RPM: Scott, Summer, Flynn

2nd Tier: Single fourth ranger or pair 4th and 5th.
NS: Thunder Brothers
DT: Tommy
JF: RJ
RPM: Ziggy and Dillon

3rd Tier: Explicit "other" Rangers
NS: Cam
DT: Trent
JF: Dom
RPM: Gem and Gemma (assuming that those ARE their names)

Spirit Rangers and the Rangers based on the Dino Train (if their are any) are the fourth tier.

Conclusion: Ziggy and Dillon are not core, but not "other", either. Generally, an "other" ranger will NOT appear within the first three episodes (except in the MMPR case in which Tommy was there already).

If there are five core Rangers, there are two tiers-The core and everybody else (SPD is the exception due to the presence of A Squad as a third tier)

[Question]

Those tiers seem arbitrary.

[DaiRed]

Yeah, they're extra rangers, but they're not THE extra rangers that come help whenever they're in deep $#!+. It seems Disney always seems to have 2 extra rangers every season.

NINJA STORM:
1st Extra Rangers: Black Hunter
THE Extra Ranger: Cam

DINO THUNDER:
1st Extra Ranger: Tommy
THE Extra Ranger: Trent

SPD:
1st Extra Ranger: Doggie
THE Extra Ranger: Sam

MYSTIC FORCE:
1st Extra Ranger: Undonna
THE Extra Ranger: Daggeron

OO only had only Tyzonn. Sentinel Knight wasn't a ranger.

JUNGLE FURY:
1st Extra Ranger: RJ
THE Extra Ranger: Dominic.

Maybe it's simpler to say that if they aren't part of the very first megazord formation of the series, they aren't part of the core team.

[ZiggyxDillonShipper]

They're the extras that make the episode a lot more enjoyable. :) But yeah, they're extras.

[Super Jeff]

I think they are the main team, because we still know nothing of ther other 3 right now. Scott, Flynn, and Summer just seem to be there because of the zord.

[ZiggyxDillonShipper]

I dunno, I think I'll give it a few more episodesbefore making it offical. I mean, right now Dillon and Ziggy truly are extras, but give it a few.

[Izout]

They not not extras, they're apart of the core team. It just similar to the Thunder Rangers.

[Question]

The Thunder Rangers weren't part of the core team, either.

[Izout]

They're a separate team along with the Wind Rangers that together make up the Ninja Storm Rangers. Same as Dillon and Ziggy making up the RPM Rangers with Scott, Flynn and Summer.

[Green Elephant]

The Thunder Brothers were considered "extra" Rangers until Cam Rangered up originally.

In the same way, Dillon and Ziggy will be considered extras till we see the Wings.

[LEONARDO]

Yeah, i also think they're extra rangers

[Jiemusu]

I consider them as extra Rangers as much as Blake and Hunter are extra Rangers too, or RJ is, or Tommy was in Dino Thunder.

In fact, yes, they are. They became "extra" to the the team and aren't necessary for the main zord formations. Yes, they're extra Rangers.

They are the "Thunder Rangers" of RPM, simple as.

And yes, the Thunder Rangers were extra Rangers. Even if together with the core team, they made an improved or joined new 'core team', it still took two seperate core teams to make that joined core team. Wind being the first core we see, Thunder being the extra. Had the Thunder Rangers appeared first, the Wind team would be the extra.

I think the fact that the intro itself states that THREE were chosen, and the finale focuses on the destiny of the first THREE shows that the Thunder Rangers were simply extras.

But there is one more thing I wanna say.

4. If Ziggy and Dillon are part of the main team, then it breaks the five rangers-two girls rule. Now, I know that this rule isn't really set in stone, but usually when there's a main team of five, two of them are girls. NS, DT, and JF break this rule because they all start with a main team of three, same as RPM.

Woah. five Rangers two girl rule? When has this ever been a rule?

Alien Rangers of Aquatar had five Rangers, four being guys and 1 being a female.

[Deadpool]

While, not the typical extras, they are extras. Most extras have their own Megazord. As soon as Carrygator (or whatever RPM calls him) shows, we get GunBirOh (again, I don't know the RPM name off hand). It's not till later that we get EngineOh G6 (G9, G12, GClusterf**k) where all six zords make one megazord.

[bulkmier65]

Whoops, forgot about them, but as I said, it's not set in stone. Besides the alien rangers, every base team of five has had two girls.

[TokuFan]

Technically they're extras,basically they're not.

[Night_Fang]

Can't consider them extras because they've pretty much been seen as the whole show so far. Eps 1-3 showcased Red, Yellow, and Blue as being too weak and needing Dillion to bail them out. And Ziggy was given alot of screen time too before getting his morpher. Now in ep 4 It's Ziggy centric then shows him and Dillion tag teaming it up. Red, Blue, and Yellow have just been there so far this season so if anything they're the extra rangers.

[Question]

The core three fought for a year before Dillon and Ziggy got their morphers, so yeah, they're extra.

[Beta Ranger]

Love the idea that Red, Blue, Yellow have been a team for ages and as we learn more aboutthem that will be a great chance to fanfic, but from the audiance stand point I'd say no, Ziggy and Dillon are part of the core team, in fact they are the entire core team, the show has been based around them, the others are the extras.

[Question]

This thread is silly because no one's defined 'core team', and I think a lot of us are assuming different definitions.

[RPM Blue]

NINJA STORM:
1st Extra Rangers: Black Hunter
THE Extra Ranger: Cam


Blake and Hunter

[DaiRed]

Blake and Hunter

D'oh! Typo.:o

[2580]

I was having this conversation in another thread, and figured I'd make it it's own.

I consider them to be extra rangers for several reasons:

1. They did not become rangers in the first two episodes. In all past seasons, the "main team" was assembled by the end of the second episode. In RPM, by the end of the second episode, we had three rangers, and one who was about to become a ranger.

2. The main team was already established. We don't know for how long Scott, Summer, and Flynn have been rangers, but we know at most it's been a year. So they work together and know each other well, and these other two are joining after the fact, making them additional to the main team.

3. They have different morphers. Usually the main team has a set of morphers that are all identical, and the extra ranger's differs slightly. 'Nuff said.

4. If Ziggy and Dillon are part of the main team, then it breaks the five rangers-two girls rule. Now, I know that this rule isn't really set in stone, but usually when there's a main team of five, two of them are girls. NS, DT, and JF break this rule because they all start with a main team of three, same as RPM.

5. Their zords aren't part of the base Megazord. They have zords that can form their own megazord, and later combine with the base megazord, just like most extra rangers.

6. They have metal on their boots, gloves, and belts instead of black rubber.

[Psycho Silver]

That is a problem with the Disney era, sometimes they end up with too many "extra" rangers. I liked the old days of six rangers at the most. Now we have several seasons where we have seven or eight rangers on a team and maybe more. This means that we are getting one to two more "extra" rangers than normal. This happened in SPD, MF, and JF just to name a few, and OO if you count the Sentinel Knight. I say JF because the spirit rangers brought the team total to eight. I don't really consider the Sentinel Knight as an "extra" ranger, but I know that some people do.

[Jiemusu]

Sentinal Knight is an extra "ally", just like Jarrod and Camile in PRJF.

But Psycho Silver, remember that includes Magna Defender in PRLG and Ninjor in MMPR3.

So if we called Ninjor a Ranger for simplicity sake, MMPR3 had 7 Rangers for example.

Obviously it's 6 Rangers and an ally, but it's a scenario of 7 warriors in a Saban era season.

[Green Elephant]

What do you consider Phantom Ranger and Blue Centurian?

[Thesecretfan]

One thing we have to remember is that RPM is not like any season we've seen before. They're breaking a LOT of rules and this is just one more. We can't think of RPM as just another season of PR because it's not. Those staples that we are used to can be and will be ignored.

[RangerDCMA]

From the looks of things they are part of the core team

Notice they didn't just turn up as Rangers and decide to help out.
It's implied the Black and Green suits were made at the same time as Red, Blue and Yellow, they just didn't have the amount of Rangers they needed.

So the Ranger powers themselves were always there, just didn't have the right operater which is why I think it was such a loss for Scott losing Eagle 1, as he was originally intended to take on a Ranger power along with whoever got Black/Green

I guess as for the whole having their own Megazord thing it's understandable they'd want more firepower considering they're up against an enemy
that's pretty much wipe everything else out they'd use as much as they could

And who's to say a core team can't have more than one Megazord.

[Question]

Notice they didn't just turn up as Rangers and decide to help out.
It's implied the Black and Green suits were made at the same time as Red, Blue and Yellow, they just didn't have the amount of Rangers they needed.

You mean they couldn't throw a talent show until Ziggy showed up?

[Jiemusu]

From the looks of things they are part of the core team

Notice they didn't just turn up as Rangers and decide to help out.
It's implied the Black and Green suits were made at the same time as Red, Blue and Yellow, they just didn't have the amount of Rangers they needed.

How are you so sure that the Navy and Crimson Thunder powers weren't created at the same time as the Red, Blue and Yelow Wind powers?

But they have different suits, well so do Dillon and Ziggy.

So the Ranger powers themselves were always there, just didn't have the right operater which is why I think it was such a loss for Scott losing Eagle 1, as he was originally intended to take on a Ranger power along with whoever got Black/Green

The Navy and Crimson Thunder powers were always there, just part of a different academy.

I guess as for the whole having their own Megazord thing it's understandable they'd want more firepower considering they're up against an enemy
that's pretty much wipe everything else out they'd use as much as they could

And who's to say a core team can't have more than one Megazord.

It's not so much that the core team have more than one Megazord.

Hell MMPR3, Zeo, Space, Turbo, Lost Galaxy, Lightspeed, Timeforce, Wildforce, they all did this. The five Rangers are still core for those teams.

What makes RPM different is that the 'second' Megazord is piloted by zords that are ONLY summoned seperately to the main 3, by 2 whole seperate Rangers.

That's why it differs from the other seasons, as all five Rangers together can potentially call upon either of their Megazords.

In RPM, Scott, Flynn and Summer are literally assigned to one, and Dillon and Ziggy to the other.

Just like Shane, Tori and Dustin are with one Megazord, and Blake and Hunter are with the other.

[RangerDCMA]

Jiemusu, I wasn't talking about the Thunder Rangers

[Jiemusu]

Jiemusu, I wasn't talking about the Thunder Rangers

No, I am.

Because I'm comparing Dillon and Ziggy to them.

By your reasoning, you're saying the Thunder Rangers are core Rangers too.

You can't really pick and choose like that.

[RangerDCMA]

yeah but the Wind and Thunder powers were created by two seperate sources.

The RPM Rangers were created by Dr K.
It's even intentionally numbered 1-5
I don't think they just thought hey, let's add an extra two rangers after Summer, Flynn and Summer became Rangers.

Which is why, in my opinion at least, they're part of the core team because RPM 1-5 were created at the same time.
Plus the fact they aren't addressed as other Rangers like how RJ and Dom were.
They're addressed by their colour which tends to happen only in core teams or first time colours.
Unless that's not a factor this year and everyone's just called by their colour

[Question]

yeah but the Wind and Thunder powers were created by two seperate sources.

Not necessarily. The fact that their zords could combine would seem to say otherwise.

The RPM Rangers were created by Dr K.
It's even intentionally numbered 1-5

And Omega Ranger was #6. Shadow Ranger was #100. Numbers don't matter.

I don't think they just thought hey, let's add an extra two rangers after Summer, Flynn and Summer became Rangers.

I do. Because otherwise, why didn't these two Ranger powers become activated at the same time the others did?

Which is why, in my opinion at least, they're part of the core team because RPM 1-5 were created at the same time.
Plus the fact they aren't addressed as other Rangers like how RJ and Dom were.
They're addressed by their colour which tends to happen only in core teams or first time colours.

Green Ranger. White Ranger. Silver Ranger. Navy Ranger. Crimson Ranger. White Ranger (DT).

It's not unheard of.

[Jiemusu]

The short of it is, Dillon and Ziggy are extra Rangers.

[DigiRanger]

I agree with Jiemusu here. Add-ons always have something different about them from the core team, no matter how small.

Green MMPR - Green triangles instead of diamonds on gloves & boots, gold buckle, Dragon Dagger and other armaments
White MMPR - Dairanger buckle, new shield and armaments, gold belt, Dai style boots & gloves, Saba
Gold Ranger - Gold armaments, gold shape outline on helmet, no weapons on belt
... (saving time)
Green and Black RPM - Gold tire designs on gloves, boots, and belt

They also have their own combo weapon, megazord, pretty much everything to differentiate from the core team.

[King]

All 5 of them were made and meant to be one cohesive team so although right now Red, Blue, and Yellow are the core rangers, by the end of the season they will be one core team.

In ninjastorm, the thunders weren't extra. We had two different teams come together to form one. Neither the winds or the thunders are extra.

[King]

White MMPR - Dairanger buckle, new shield and armaments, gold belt, Dai style boots & gloves, Saba


white ranger tommy was a core member though.

[Question]

How do you figure?

[Jiemusu]

All 5 of them were made and meant to be one cohesive team so although right now Red, Blue, and Yellow are the core rangers, by the end of the season they will be one core team.

In ninjastorm, the thunders weren't extra. We had two different teams come together to form one. Neither the winds or the thunders are extra.

It could be argued that the Green MMPR powers were originaly created to do that (but as a prototype idea that was later scrapped perhaps? Until Rita had a say on things), along with the other 5, that all six were originally meant to be one cohesive team upon creation, it's just one coin was activated later.

Same with Space. The Silver Ranger was probably meant to be with the other 5 so that they were originally all meant to make one core team.

But they arrived later, thus being extra, but this is also determined in the differences within their powers compared to the other five (such as extra or different detail on suits, more powerful zords that can act individually, etc)

Also, White Mystic Ranger. She was possibly originally supposed to be part of the main team, but her wand simply became lost, is she core too?

EDIT: Tommy as a White Ranger is a weird case.

In MMPR2 he was an extra Ranger.

In MMPR3, he wasn't.

At least in my opinion.

[King]

How do you figure?

You can't be the leader of the team but not considered a core member.

It could be argued that the Green MMPR powers were originaly created to so that, along with the other 5, that all six were originally meant to be one cohesive team, it's just one coin was activated later.

Same with Space. The Silver Ranger was probably meant to be with the other 5 so that they were originally all meant to make one core team.

But they arrived later, thus being extra, but this is also determined in the differences within their powers compared to the other five (such as extra or different detail on suits, more powerful zords that can act individually, etc)

Also, White Mystic Ranger. She was possibly originally supposed to be part of the main team, but her wand simply became lost, is she core too?

Yeah, but Tommy as the green ranger was an inconsistent member (as is ziggy and dillon which is why I said as of right now they aren't core members). He was never their really so even if it was meant to be used in that way it wasn't whereas through sentai footage we know that Ziggy and Dillon won't be inconsistent team members.

Again, he may have meant to be with the other 5 but he wasn't. And the space rangers started off as a duo so under the logic of "they came late", TJ, Carlos, Ashley, and Cassie are extra rangers.

Arriving later alone doesn't make you extra. If it did than Taylor would be the only core WF ranger.

Udonna was never around and even if she was, the prophecy was for those 5.

[Question]

You can't be the leader of the team but not considered a core member.

Sure you can.

[King]

Sure you can.

How? The core team is suppose to be the main members and Tommy as their leader was definitely that.

[Question]

Then you and I just define 'core team' differently.

[King]

whats your definition?

[Question]

Whoever's zords combine to form the first Megazord of the season.

[Green Elephant]

They never formed the Ninja Megazord without the Falconzord, so that makes Tommy core in MM3 under your definition.

[Question]

They never formed the Ninja Megazord without the Falconzord, so that makes Tommy core in MM3 under your definition.

Wrong.

Ninja Megazord =/= Ninja Megafalconzord. They did use the Ninja Megazord alone, most notably when the Falconzord was captured.

[Jiemusu]

They never formed the Ninja Megazord without the Falconzord, so that makes Tommy core in MM3 under your definition.

Excuse me?

They always formed the Ninja Megazord first before using the Falconzord, hence it being named as a Megazord in it's own right before having the Falconzord added. The Ninja Megazord wasn't a demi zord half way through construction, it was a whole Megazord.

When the Falconzord was added, then it became the Ninja Mega Falconzord.

Just like the Megazord in season 1 became Mega Dragonzord when the Dragonzord was added, because it could be made a Megazord without the Dragonzord

In fact they even fought in the Ninja Megazord without the Falconzord.

Centiback was destroyed by Ninjor and the Ninja Megazord (without Falconzord) in the episode Fourth Down and Long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cJd0N7ASe8

3:35 - 3:56

So no, by that logic, Tommy wasn't core, because a full Megazord was already constructed and known as an entity in it's own right without Tommy's zord. Tommy's zord was added later as an additional compotent to create a new Megazord combination.

[NekoLLX]

Excuse me?

They always formed the Ninja Megazord first before using the Falconzord, hence it being named as a Megazord in it's own right before having the Falconzord added. The Ninja Megazord wasn't a demi zord half way through construction, it was a whole Megazord.

When the Falconzord was added, then it became the Ninja Mega Falconzord.

Just like the Megazord in season 1 became Mega Dragonzord when the Dragonzord was added, because it could be made a Megazord without the Dragonzord

In fact they even fought in the Ninja Megazord without the Falconzord.

Centiback was destroyed by Ninjor and the Ninja Megazord (without Falconzord) in the episode Fourth Down and Long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cJd0N7ASe8

3:35 - 3:56

So no, by that logic, Tommy wasn't core, because a full Megazord was already constructed and known as an entity in it's own right without Tommy's zord. Tommy's zord was added later as an additional compotent to create a new Megazord combination.

or you know the ninja megazord was fighting handicaped...

sorta like in my Operation Turbo RPG when Red, Blue, Black and Pink (or was it yellow, so many board wipes...) had to fight with only one arm and when the team was formed only Red, Black and Blue were recuited (White, Pink and Yellow came in later)

speaking i which i really need to get a new black and blue before the red ranger focus episodes ends....

[Jiemusu]

or you know the ninja megazord was fighting handicaped...

sorta like in my Operation Turbo RPG when Red, Blue, Black and Pink (or was it yellow, so many board wipes...) had to fight with only one arm and when the team was formed only Red, Black and Blue were recuited (White, Pink and Yellow came in later)

speaking i which i really need to get a new black and blue before the red ranger focus episodes ends....

No, it wasn't fighting handicapped. The Ninja Megazord was a full Megazord.

But thanks for reminding me about handicapped Megazords. Since I'll outline exactly what one is.

They had one in Dino Thunder.

The Tyrannosaurus and Triceratops formed a Demi-Megazord of only 2 zords without the Pteradactyl.

But then again, the Dino Stegazord only had 2 zords too, Stegazord and Dragozord.

But technically the Dino Stegazord wasn't handicapped because, disregarding auxilary zords for arms, it was a finished design.

The Demi-Megazord of the core rangers was acutally missing one whole zord from the final design, but could still be formed, obviously much weaker.

Doesn't work for the Ninja Megazord because the Ninja Megazord was already a final design.

There isn't even an indication whether Falconzord increased power, instead for all we know it could have just added flight.

[Question]

or you know the ninja megazord was fighting handicaped...


Again, the Ninja Megazord and the Ninja Megafalconzord are two different, albeit similar, things. The Falconzord makes the difference there.

[Jiemusu]

If people tend to look rather than talk, the clue is in the names.

I used the Thundersaurus Megazord in Dino Thunder as an example.

When the Tyrannosaurus, Triceratops and Pteradactyl combine, they form what is known as the Thundersaurus Megazord.

This, is a complete Megazord, hence it's title as a Megazord.

It COULD be formed without the Pteradactyl, in which case it was handicapped, incomplete and much less powerful, known as Thundersaurus Incomplete from most sources.

Now the Ape, Frog, Wolf, Crane, and Bear Ninjazords combine to make the Ninja Megazord. Period, it's a freakin Megazord.

The Falconzord is just an auxiliary.

Hence why it's known as Ninja Megazord, and then later Ninja Megafalconzord.

Rather then Ninja Megazord incomplete (or demi-Ninja Megazord), and then Ninja Megazord.

It was never called the Megazord when the Falconzord was attached, ever, it was always referred to as Mega Falconzord to distinguish it's status from the already established Megazord.

If you think the Ninja Megazord was really fighting handicapped then you must think the Thundersaurus Megazord is incomplete until the Parasaurzord and Cephalazord form auxiliary arms.

Or you must think the Wild Force Megazord was incomplete and fighting handicapped without the Polar and Black Bear Wildzords.

Or the Drivemax Megazord was incomplete without the Drill Driver or Shoval Driver.

Or that the Jungle Pride Megazord was incomplete without the Bat Spirit Armour.

Or better yet, you must think the original Megazord in MMPR1 was an incomplete Megazord that was fighting handicapped because the Dragonzord wasn't added yet. If you think the Ninja Megazord is handicapped then you must think that the Mega Dragonzord in MMPR1 was the normal Megazord.

They are Megazords of their own right.

The rest... are simply auxiliaries.

[King]

Zords shouldn't matter when determining who is a member of the core team anyway. Especially in the case of the MMPR ninja rangers. All the ninjetti rangers got their powers and zords at the same time. Tommy was a white ninja ranger for just as long as the other 5 and the way he got his powers as well as his time with the team was no different than anybody else.