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Question
03-21-2009, 01:51 AM
Remember that debacle I and... someone or other had, wherein I was called in denial for refusing to believe PR would end?
http://henshinjustice.com/2009/03/20/breaking-news-power-rangers-lives/
Whoever you were, I expect an apology. It doesn't even have to be sincere, I just want the bragging rights. Also, remind me who you are. I've long since forgotten.
Urataros
03-21-2009, 02:16 AM
Awesome
Hopefully they know what their doing when they do one for shinkenger
Super Jeff
03-21-2009, 02:37 AM
Ha Ha were not going to hear the end of this are we? lol
Question
03-21-2009, 02:37 AM
Not if I have anything to say about it!
3eazy
03-21-2009, 03:02 AM
yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!
DaiRed
03-21-2009, 04:04 AM
PARTY TIME! In your faces nonbelievers!
Razor
03-21-2009, 06:06 AM
Read this and discuss.
Two different sources.
http://linearranger.com/RPMNews/NewsFuture.htm
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/main/?p=2768
bulkmier65
03-21-2009, 06:30 AM
This is what I like to hear.
Mustang3173
03-21-2009, 06:43 AM
ALRIGHT! :D May the power live on forever!
Legendary.
03-21-2009, 06:57 AM
The NY Post also reported that it was ending.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102009/tv/lights_out_for_power_rangers_158807.htm
Mustang3173
03-21-2009, 06:57 AM
Ha Ha were not going to hear the end of this are we? lol
:D Oh no you are not. You were wro-ong, you were wro-ong. (said in child-like manner) lol
Ranger Yellow
03-21-2009, 07:00 AM
You forgot this link http://henshinjustice.com/2009/03/20...rangers-lives/
Soul Of Darkness
03-21-2009, 07:01 AM
Thanx Question, you're a life saver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY......
Legendary.
03-21-2009, 07:01 AM
I won't believe it until I start seeing info on the new season.
Titanium Ranger
03-21-2009, 07:22 AM
Due to an outbreak of similar threads, I'm sticking this one. Discuss your views on PR not being canceled here. Any other thread related to this topic will be closed.
Thanks
Legendary.
03-21-2009, 07:39 AM
I'm not being a non believer, I just don't want to be injected with false hope. Just getting that clear now.
And didn't Jetix Europe have to co-produce the show just so they can have another season, why would Disney all of sudden have a change of heart? Did they do it just to save money for the next season, considering Eddie went over budget? I mean I can keep asking questions but the only way they'll be answered is if I can have solid info on next year's season.
Not just "some" e-mail... April Fool's is around the corner you guys.
Despite some of the rumors circulating the web, the Power Rangers are not going away in 2010. Disney and Bandai America continue to be committed to the Power Rangers Brand. In fact, Disney is producing a Season 18 and Bandai America will continue to develop action figures and toys for fans and collectors of all ages.
This paragraph might be from someone at the company because it's simple and diplomatic yet impersonal, which seems reminiscent of my experience with their customer service. However, the following paragraph doesn't sound like them at all:
Over the past seventeen years, the Power Rangers have been on Earth, in space, on the moon, under water, traveling through time, in the jungle and anywhere evil lurks. They’ve battled Rita Repulsa, Divatox, Master Org, Dark Spector, Toxica, Jindrax and many more evil-doers – villains who have been shrunk to miniatures, tossed in jail, reduced to ooze or banished. As Bandai America looks to the future, the Power Rangers toy line will continue to morph into action battling against evil.
I've written to Bandai America multiple times inquiring about why they didn't make a Transforming Jungle Master Megazord. Their first response was a stock response that didn't address what I asked about at all, the second response got closer but all it did was tell me something I already knew which was that I could connect the Transforming Roar Max Zords to the Transforming Jungle Pride Megazord, and the last response told me that the information I was asking about was confidential. Basically they didn't tell me shit. A supposed response from Bandai America that's so open and forthright with information, especially one where the person writing back actually went to the trouble of including details like where the Rangers have battled evil, names of villains, and how the Rangers dealt with those villains is highly suspicious to me.
Red Master
03-21-2009, 07:46 AM
Wasn't it back stated back during JF that Disney had renewed a 6 year contract with Toei?
Thats what keeps me from think it would really be over.Why would Disney get a contract for that long,produce 1 season and then do nothing with it?I could see them going to the 20th season and then letting the last year or two lapse.They'ed probably make more money produceing four season and selling the merchandise than they spent getting the contract right?
rmssw
03-21-2009, 07:57 AM
I tend to believe Sally Campbell and Eddie Guzelian over an unconfirmed email supposedly from Bandai. I'm not necessarily denying its authenticity, I'd just like to see more than one source confirm that the show is NOT ending before I get my hopes up since we have multiple sources saying that it IS ending.
I certainly hope it's true, of course. I'd really like to see Disney take on the challenge of adapting Shinkenger since so far they've done so well with Go-Onger.
Legendary.
03-21-2009, 08:02 AM
I certainly hope it's true, of course. I'd really like to see Disney take on the challenge of adapting Shinkenger since so far they've done so well with Go-Onger.
Just throwing it out there. Eddie did a good job. Disney...eh.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 08:09 AM
Just throwing it out there. Eddie did a good job. Disney...eh.
We'll see how the show goes after the Judd Lynn episodes start. So far, yeah, I would agree that the quality we've seen is all Eddie's doing. If it doesn't fall apart after the regime change, though, I'll have a lot of hope for Disney's ability to adapt the so-called unadaptable Sentai seasons we've been getting lately. They did well with Gekiranger (no small feat) and are doing great so far with Go-Onger (a massive feat). Shinkenger will be the ultimate challenge...that is, until we see what Toei has in store for Sentai 2010.
chaos
03-21-2009, 08:45 AM
to be honest im very UNimpressed by rpm. Its very bland so far but ill give it time. But im very unhappy about the domed city being the only place left and the entire computer virus thing. I liked and thought jungle furry was better mainly because it was much closer to the original series plot. one problem i have is that the engines in the sentai series being living machines and in rpm it doesn't make sense for them to have eyes ext. im just not very happy with trying to make something thats fairly comical in to something serious
Platinum Ranger
03-21-2009, 09:15 AM
Toei was in town, meeting with Disney. So it does fit to hear that it will continue.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 09:21 AM
I still want at least one more source...preferably one a little more substantial than an email. Again, I'm not necessarily doubting the authenticity of the email, I just want a little confirmation before I get my hopes up.
Evil Green Ranger
03-21-2009, 09:27 AM
Well heres the thing, I am releived to here it will go on, and will have faith that it will untill I hear otherwise confermed, but all of us here are fans, Adult fans, who can write emails, fax, write letters, or in an extreem cases drive,fly or swim to where ever these people have there HQ, We all just can't sit back and wait for things to just happen, we love the show so much, we should be taking an active part, I for one have continuted to try and reach Bandai costumer servious and other verious places, I'm doing what i can, If we all did what we could I think we'd be more likely to get the answers we wanted, or at least the truth
Not attacking anyone, just getting y'all ready for the call to arms if Disney desides to kill our heroes ;)
SteelSpaceRanger
03-21-2009, 10:57 AM
Power Rangers Bushido Genesis™* coming to a television screen near you soon......
But on a serious note I'm glad Power rangers may not be ending, but I won't be fully sure till disney confirm it themselve's. I'd love for them to adapt shinkenger, It would be a challenge.
*Disney if you want to use my name for the season just call me.
TokuFan
03-21-2009, 11:07 AM
So now they've got to adapt Shinkenger somehow!
Toei was in town, meeting with Disney.
And how exactly do you know this?
Bandai might have made a special case email, becuase they wanna sell toys. if the shows ovver or peoplethinkits over, that hurts sales so of course they are going to stop that, true or no,
As for the New Zealand Herald...I wish SOMEONE from New Zealand could tell us if that's a "fag rag"(Aka publication only good for rolling cigarettes) or a legitimate news source. However shocking as it might seem, MAYBE Disney got bit by the patriotism bug and moved PR back to the states.
rageredranger
03-21-2009, 01:27 PM
I dunno this letter seems fan made who else would know all the villains how they were defeated etc .
Ranger Black
03-21-2009, 02:08 PM
Well, seein as Disney OWN the show, i'd say that they KNOW about it too lol. I'm glad to hear that PR will continue. BUT, HOWEVER, i'm still kinda 50/50 on the subject. I'll wait till i see a NEW PR PROMO
Super Jeff
03-21-2009, 02:12 PM
:D Oh no you are not. You were wro-ong, you were wro-ong. (said in child-like manner) lol
It's not like I am not happy for a new season. Hell I am pretty excited. But then I am a little dissapointed as well.
1. RPM now feels a little unspecial now as it is not the final.
2. Also if the next season is in 2010 then where the hell do we place RPM in the timeline?
but other then that though hope that next season can be as great as the current season.
rageredranger
03-21-2009, 02:22 PM
I still say it seems fan made would disney even mention past seasons in a email like this ? I mean they don't even like to do it in the show.
I Do know this is suppose to be by bandai though so maybe they arent bound to that i mean just like they are making the special toys from past seasons.
Super Jeff
03-21-2009, 02:25 PM
I still say it seems fan made would disney even mention past seasons in a email like this ? I mean they don't even like to do it in the show.
I Do know this is suppose to be by bandai though so maybe they arent bound to that i mean just like they are making the special toys from past seasons.
sounds like Bandai has more interest continuing the toyline then Disney want's to continue the show.
Green Mystic Ranger
03-21-2009, 02:47 PM
Kinda not surprised it's not being canceled. Never doubted Disney for a second ;) lol.
ForeverBlue
03-21-2009, 02:53 PM
This is great news indeed and I got the same email but it was in the junk folder so I moved it to the inbox to see it :p
Green Elephant
03-21-2009, 03:09 PM
IMO this changes nothing.
Question
03-21-2009, 03:17 PM
I am interested to know how you figure that confirmation the show's not ending isn't a change from the show ending.
Urataros
03-21-2009, 03:28 PM
2. Also if the next season is in 2010 then where the hell do we place RPM in the timeline?
Between SPD and TF.
DaiRed
03-21-2009, 03:39 PM
The NY Post also reported that it was ending.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03102009/tv/lights_out_for_power_rangers_158807.htm
They were just reporting from the now WRONG New Zealand article.
Fire Ranger
03-21-2009, 03:45 PM
They were just reporting from the now WRONG New Zealand article.
if anyone read the article it says that Disney never confirmed anything.
As far as the email I believe it because Bandai has mentioned past seasons before in there articles, and also more than one webmaster recieved the letter.
Razor
03-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Between SPD and TF.
Not necessarily. As time is infinite, so too can PR be. They could make a new season set in 2009, or if they wanted, they could go back and place a season in 1993, just in another town. Okay, maybe not '93 because I doubt they'll wanna dress modern actors in that type of attire, but then again you never know.
grayguardianranger
03-21-2009, 03:58 PM
Just happy to see it's not ending! GGR is Overjoyed! :D
rmssw
03-21-2009, 04:14 PM
I need to take a moment to point out the blatant hypocrisy going on here, if you don't mind. The same people who blasted anyone who believed the multiple reliable sources who said the show is ending are now jumping on this ONE source that's saying it's not. This source is far less reliable than Sally Campbell and Eddie Guzelian. It's an email that, really, could have been written by anyone. All of the same people who held on for deal life to the "unreliability" of Sally and Eddie are now clinging even more desperately to this email. I find that hilarious, to be honest. I guess reliability only matters if the source is telling you something you don't want to hear.
I'll believe it when we have another source saying the same thing. Until then, I don't buy it.
Question
03-21-2009, 04:16 PM
It's not hypocrisy. It's been confirmed that this e-mail has been sent out by Bandai, by several webmasters and junk who something something something.
Do I believe an e-mail from Bandai over the words of an obscure NZ newspaper and the ex-producer? Absolutely. Who are your multiple reliable sources again?
When I'm proven right again, I'm going to quote you and mock you mercilessly.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 04:42 PM
"Obscure NZ newspaper". That's really funny. That's like calling the New York Times an "obscure New York newspaper". It is THE newspaper in New Zealand. You don't get to doubt its reliability just because it tells you something you don't like.
What proof do we have that this email is from Bandai other than people saying that it is? I fail to see how that's any more substantial than the quotes from Eddie Guzelian and Sally Campbell. If you insist that they are questionable sources, so is this email. Give me another source and then I'll get my hopes up. This email is not enough.
And, by the way, if this email is real (which it probably is), it doesn't prove you were right all along. All it proves is that Disney changed their minds while they were making RPM.
Question
03-21-2009, 04:48 PM
"Obscure NZ newspaper". That's really funny. That's like calling the New York Times an "obscure New York newspaper". It is THE newspaper in New Zealand. You don't get to doubt its reliability just because it tells you something you don't like.
No, but I get to doubt its reliability when it has problems factchecking that are blatantly obvious to anyone who knows the subject matter.
What proof do we have that this email is from Bandai other than people saying that it is?
The... fact these same people get e-mails from Bandai all the time for their websites and such?
And, by the way, if this email is real (which it probably is), it doesn't prove you were right all along. All it proves is that Disney changed their minds while they were making RPM.
Translated:
I'm covering my ass in case it turns out I'm wrong.
But yeah, it does mean I was right all along.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 04:55 PM
But yeah, it does mean I was right all along.
How so? It doesn't change the fact that Eddie Guzelian was told to do whatever he wanted with the show because Disney no longer cared and was ending it. It doesn't change the fact that RPM was written, filmed, and produced with the intention of it being the final season. If the email is real, it just means Disney changes their minds. Thank god they did.
Like I've said many times, I'm not necessarily doubting the content of the email, I'm just not getting my hopes up until we hear the same thing from another source. The email is not enough...just like the quotes from Eddie and Sally weren't enough for you.
Question
03-21-2009, 05:05 PM
Okay.
If I say PR will have another season, and you say PR won't have another season, and PR has another season, who was proven right?
I'm not saying people working for the show didn't believe that they were telling the truth. But they were wrong. I wasn't.
Green Elephant
03-21-2009, 05:07 PM
I am interested to know how you figure that confirmation the show's not ending isn't a change from the show ending.
Because I never thought it was ending to begin with.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 05:15 PM
I'm not saying people working for the show didn't believe that they were telling the truth. But they were wrong. I wasn't.
They weren't wrong, though. That's the point. Disney changed their minds (or were forced into continuing by Toei and Bandai...). There's a difference between being wrong and having the situation change after the fact.
Platinum Ranger
03-21-2009, 05:31 PM
As I said, Toei was in town to meet with Disney. I'm told it was a legal issue.
twins1729
03-21-2009, 05:45 PM
OMG! Yay!!! :D :D :D
Question
03-21-2009, 05:50 PM
They weren't wrong, though. That's the point. Disney changed their minds (or were forced into continuing by Toei and Bandai...). There's a difference between being wrong and having the situation change after the fact.
It doesn't matter. We both made predictions about the future, and it's looking like mine was right.
Chris3123
03-21-2009, 05:54 PM
As I posted on HJU, what a great birthday present, to wake up and read this. :cool:
Hidden Ranger
03-21-2009, 06:08 PM
I need to take a moment to point out the blatant hypocrisy going on here, if you don't mind. The same people who blasted anyone who believed the multiple reliable sources who said the show is ending are now jumping on this ONE source that's saying it's not.
He actually has a point. As I posted last night on the "The End..." thread, I'm still just as cautiously optimistic about the good news as I was about the bad news, because it doesn't make any sense to automatically disbelieve the latter only to embrace the merest hint of the former.
If it turns out the franchise IS being continued, great. Awesome. If it turns out it isn't, well, that'd suck, but the franchise has had the better part of twenty uninterrupted years. Either way, this time next year will be the final evidence one way or the other.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 06:09 PM
As I said, Toei was in town to meet with Disney. I'm told it was a legal issue.
If it's true that Disney signed a six-year contract with Toei, then, yes, cancelling the series would be a huge legal issue and Toei could have sued the crap out of them. It would be interesting to know the details of the arrangement between the two companies. We've never really known the extent to which Disney is tied to Toei. All we know is that Toei has a huge financial stake in Power Rangers and probably makes more money from it than it does from Super Sentai and that the company would probably be pretty angry if Power Rangers went away. Bandai wouldn't be pleased, either. I'd like to know just how much power Bandai and Toei have over Disney on the issue. Apparently, it's considerable since they're probably responsible for forcing Disney to make RPM and apparently reversing the cancellation of the show.
He actually has a point. As I posted last night on the "The End..." thread, I'm still just as cautiously optimistic about the good news as I was about the bad news, because it doesn't make any sense to automatically disbelieve the latter only to embrace the merest hint of the former.
If it turns out the franchise IS being continued, great. Awesome. If it turns out it isn't, well, that'd suck, but the franchise has had the better part of twenty uninterrupted years. Either way, this time next year will be the final evidence one way or the other.
Thank you. The email probably is legit, but it's foolish to disregard all other evidence that pointed to the show ending based on one source that came out of the blue. Let's wait until we have more confirmation before we start celebrating.
Me-Hostage
03-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Yes. I said it would not end, when everyone else was crying and said it was. LOL. Everyone should be use to this already though. We've dealt with these same rumors since Mystic Force!
Thank you. The email probably is legit, but it's foolish to disregard all other evidence that pointed to the show ending based on one source that came out of the blue. Let's wait until we have more confirmation before we start celebrating.
I agree 100%. It is still totally up in the air. This Bandi email is just as legit as the New york post, NZ post, Eddie, and the chick that works for disney. People shouldn't just decide to back the information that goes with that they want to hear or with what they've been saying all along on either side of the issue.
EDIT: By the way, April fools is right around the corner.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 08:51 PM
EDIT: By the way, April fools is right around the corner.
Bingo. I'll believe it when we get something that confirms this information AFTER April 1. It can't be that hard to fake an email from Bandai.
Red Master
03-21-2009, 09:01 PM
I don't know what Sally was told or when so i can't say on that.But Eddie was told that when he started production.So what he said was true then,but not so much now.And disney didn't and isn't required to tell him about the series after they let him go.
rmssw
All we know is that Toei has a huge financial stake in Power Rangers and probably makes more money from it than it does from Super Sentai and that the company would probably be pretty angry if Power Rangers went away.
You got that all screwed up bucko.Toei's cash cow is super sentai (and kamen rider) not PR.PR brings in extra money,but is by no means drowning out super sentai.Sentai's 33 years definatly has a bigger fan base the PR's 17.Loseing PR would be an acceptible loss.
rmssw
03-21-2009, 09:20 PM
You got that all screwed up bucko.Toei's cash cow is super sentai (and kamen rider) not PR.PR brings in extra money,but is by no means drowning out super sentai.Sentai's 33 years definatly has a bigger fan base the PR's 17.Loseing PR would be an acceptible loss.
Not when you consider how much "extra money" Power Rangers amounts to. Toei has to be paid for everything...a portion of every single cent Disney makes from anything that uses the images of the Power Rangers goes to Toei. That includes the show itself, every single product that is sold with the Power Rangers' images, and the Bandai toys. Plus, Toei re-airs Power Rangers itself in Japan. Toei makes a fortune off of Power Rangers.
Green Elephant
03-21-2009, 09:59 PM
I figure if anyone has PR as a cash cow, it's Bandai. They are making a mint off the father (Sentai) and reproducing as the son (PR).
erikgalston
03-22-2009, 01:34 AM
I'm just gonna say this, as someone who goes to actionfigureinsider EVERYDAY.. they have established relationships with all the major toy companies, (bandai, hasbro, and mattel for example) and they would only publish actual press releases from the actual p.r. depts of the toy companies. I honestly believe the letter to be true, as actionfigureinsider is a very well known/respected website in the action figure collecting (and not just power ranger collecting) community.
Turbo_Red
03-22-2009, 05:15 AM
*Rubs temples*
Okay sooooo let me get this straight...as rmssw pointed out, anybody that believed the reports about the show ending pretty much needed Mickey Mouse himself accompanied by Elvis and Jesus Christ for it to not be a rumor that the show was ending, yet some obscure, amatuer looking e-mail posted on a few amatuer looking sites (excluding Wizard and Actionfigureinsider) is cause to close all discussions about the subject except this one for people to brag about being "right" about the show not ending according to the mysterious e-mail that was sent from "Bandai" on a Friday night a week before April 1st? How is this not hypocrisy, yet confirmation as I believe someone said?
Seriously, I'm not gonna be crazy enough to say that this isn't legit, but first of all, since when are Bandai and Disney conjoined at the hip where Bandai is calling the shots on Disney's property? Disney hasn't confirmed anything, the toy company who's bread and butter is at stake here is supposedly confirming things (hey we can question Eddie and Sally's integrity, why not Bandai's). This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread though, the first thing that comes out saying PR isn't cancelled, people would jump on it. If that New Zealand paper had said the production manager told them they'd be back for shooting and still had that General Crunch thing in it, they'd be quoting that thing like the bible. Here the same kind of people who have "sources" with Bandai are right with no questions, but the people who have "sources" from the actual show and company making the show are wrong...ridiculous.
EDIT: One thing that could be an indicator to whether this is true or not is television timeslots. If Power Rangers makes it's way back to Toon Disney...or at least gets to debut onto Disney XD then things should be good for the show. However if it doesn't that should tell us something and if Disney leaves the show as it and this is true, then it shows just how much they don't want this show or are tied up by Toei and/or Bandai. It would be ABSOLUTELY FREAKING RETARDED to have a show for young boys not on a network dedicated to young boys. It's quite possibly the worst business decision of all time if this show is still on the air.
Super Jeff
03-22-2009, 05:35 AM
Ok the new zealand article wasn't really wrong actually. i think it was right at the time it was published. Disney probably didn't want to do another season. Disney probably didn't see a profit in it and notices that it is watched by more older fans then kids.
Bandai however knew as long as their is any kind of fans then they can still make money. So I bet both Toei and Bandai pressured Disney to make a few more seasons. Disney probably doesn't like it but I bet they have some kind of contract to keep until it expires. Just some theories.
Hidden Ranger
03-22-2009, 05:41 AM
So ... here's a question for those who believed (and still believe) the part about the PR franchise ending ... how many of the e-mails did it take for that to be believed?
Super Jeff
03-22-2009, 05:43 AM
wait was was disny's email anyways? or was it a diffrent email?
rmssw
03-22-2009, 02:16 PM
I think we also have to consider the fact that even if the show really is continuing, it's probably not going to have a very good life. A person who is on life support technically is alive, but it's not much of a life. If Disney is being forced into making the show by Bandai and Toei, how much support are they really going to give it? We're already seeing this year how much they can NOT support the show. They've given RPM no promotion and moved it to ABC Kids where much of the country can't see it at all because it isn't carried or is pre-empted or because it's on too early in the morning and no one is awake to see it. Meanwhile, Disney launched the XD channel which caters exclusively to Power Rangers' target audience. That's not a good sign. So, if they're treating RPM this badly and it was intended to be the last season, how do you think they're going to treat next season? Disney can't be happy about being forced into making this show that they haven't wanted to make since day one. The longer the show goes on, the more we can expect shorter seasons, even worse timeslots, lower production values, and poorer general efforts to make the show good. Not to mention the fact that from now, every single season will have the shadow of cancellation hanging over it. Each year we'll be here wondering if that season is going to be the last. The show may not be ending this year, but it will end eventually and at this rate, it's going to go out with a whimper heard by no one.
Disney may not like the show, but they're acting quite childishly as a result of being forced to continue making it. They may have given Eddie Guzelian the go-ahead to make RPM as good as he could make it because they intended for it to be the last, but I have a feeling they're not going to be so generous with the next season and any seasons that may follow it. If it's true that the show is continuing, we'll see how Shinkenger turns out and I certainly hope I'm wrong, but to all of the people acting like children saying "I'm right and you were wrong," don't be surprised if the show takes a nosedive even greater than the one it already has.
Green Elephant
03-22-2009, 03:31 PM
The only way both articles can be true is if they are moving production out of New Zealand.
rmssw
03-22-2009, 04:28 PM
The only way both articles can be true is if they are moving production out of New Zealand.
That wouldn't be a bad thing. Moving to Canada would save Disney some money and give them more for promotion and whatnot...not that Disney would use it for that.
DarkWolf21
03-22-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't care where PR is filmed, I'll watch it. Even if it goes animated (which I hope not), I'll watch it. That's our job as fans, to always support the show, ending or not.
Titanium Ranger
03-22-2009, 04:52 PM
The only way both articles can be true is if they are moving production out of New Zealand.
Which would be awesome. Uptil now, I was getting a bit tired of the Kiwi actors (no offense to Kiwi people).
Anyways, after reading through much of this thread, I'd like to say that the reason I didn't believe PR was ending was that the NY Post's source was that New Zealand paper. There you go, a Kiwi paper reporting the death of PR. Has it been featuring weekly or even monthly articles on PR before this, so that we start believing whatever it prints? Does Power Rangers even frickin air in New Zealand? (I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere that the actors couldn't have known about PR because it didn't even air there). The only connection I see between PR and New Zealand is that the show is produced there, that's it.
EDIT: One thing that could be an indicator to whether this is true or not is television timeslots. If Power Rangers makes it's way back to Toon Disney...or at least gets to debut onto Disney XD then things should be good for the show. However if it doesn't that should tell us something and if Disney leaves the show as it and this is true, then it shows just how much they don't want this show or are tied up by Toei and/or Bandai. It would be ABSOLUTELY FREAKING RETARDED to have a show for young boys not on a network dedicated to young boys. It's quite possibly the worst business decision of all time if this show is still on the air.
I could be wrong considering your definition of "young" might be different, but isn't it widely accepted that PR's target audience is more mature now? Like it includes teens and stuff, and honestly I find the "abc" logo at the bottom a bit better than "Jetix", not to mention the fact that it's easy not to miss the constant bars that seemed to squash the screen (if you don't know what I mean, check out RJ's very first morph). I'm saying personally abc is a better option than Jetix or whichever channel PR was previously on (in terms of viewing at least) related to the new target audience for PRM, and if I remember correctly, Power Rangers was airing on abc before as well...
Overall, I don't completely believe that article either, with the way it started rambling on about how PR has fighting evil for so long and blah blah blah. But I'm one of those who didn't believe PR would end in the first place. So yeah...
Blastus
03-22-2009, 04:52 PM
Yeah, but if it becomes an animated thing, then it will be the end of the show.
PR is not animated. It's a live action show that stands out among all the cartoons. A PR cartoon would probably be some tasteless anime-lite, like The Batman.
I for one would not watch.
Hidden Ranger
03-22-2009, 05:07 PM
I will be forever amused by the assertion that Power Rangers is incapable of being animated. There's already been an example of animated sentai, and it was called Voltron. Granted, the martial arts element was missing, but other than that it was sentai. So it can be done, people. Whether it can be done well is another story.
Turbo_Red
03-22-2009, 07:29 PM
So ... here's a question for those who believed (and still believe) the part about the PR franchise ending ... how many of the e-mails did it take for that to be believed?
Thing is, it's not so much of a set number of anything to believe and I'm not saying I don't believe this. The current argument is about the hypocrisy of all the credible sources that said the show was ending (executive producer and production manager, plus the people that provide us with the season information every year) not being able to be believed by people because they needed every single employee of Disney to sign a written statement confirming that this was the end. Yet the first link to this "e-mail" from Bandai was from a fan board that posts the very same type of info like the series cancellation stuff and threads are closed and this is taken as absolute fact.
That wouldn't be a bad thing. Moving to Canada would save Disney some money and give them more for promotion and whatnot...not that Disney would use it for that.
I dunno, has it actually been proven that filming in Canada is cheaper than NZ? I mean everyone says it'll be great to move to Canada and that they should move it to Canada, but is it really that much cheaper than NZ or cheaper than it at all?
Anyways, after reading through much of this thread, I'd like to say that the reason I didn't believe PR was ending was that the NY Post's source was that New Zealand paper. There you go, a Kiwi paper reporting the death of PR. Has it been featuring weekly or even monthly articles on PR before this, so that we start believing whatever it prints? Does Power Rangers even frickin air in New Zealand? (I could be wrong, but I believe I read somewhere that the actors couldn't have known about PR because it didn't even air there). The only connection I see between PR and New Zealand is that the show is produced there, that's it.
Okay...here's an example. The Dark Knight was filmed in Chicago. Let's say you live in Arizona or Canada or even NZ I don't know. A reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times does a small article talking about Two-Face being in the movie (obviously this is long before the movie comes out) or it talks about production being shut down for whatever reason. Now you being from Canada or NZ or maybe even Arizona you have no idea what the Chicago Sun-Times is. Does that make that paper's article lose all credibilty? Especially considering they didn't do daily, weekly or even monthly features on the topic. But the question remains, does it not have credibility because you don't know the paper? NO! The Chicago Sun-Times is a respected, big time newspaper here in Chicago and I believe it does carry some weight nationwide, not like the Tribune or the NY Post or anything, but it carries weight. The point is, just because it's some "kiwi paper" to you doesn't mean it isn't a big time credible paper in NZ.
Furthermore there doesn't have to be a weekly feature on a topic to make things credible. The Sears Tower doesn't get a weekly feature in the Chicago newspapers, but it made the papers when some goofs decided to change the name of the thing to the "Willis Tower." Though by your logic, since they don't feature weekly or monthly articles, that's not true right? It's called current events and people being put out of work falls under that category.
I could be wrong considering your definition of "young" might be different, but isn't it widely accepted that PR's target audience is more mature now? Like it includes teens and stuff, and honestly I find the "abc" logo at the bottom a bit better than "Jetix", not to mention the fact that it's easy not to miss the constant bars that seemed to squash the screen (if you don't know what I mean, check out RJ's very first morph). I'm saying personally abc is a better option than Jetix or whichever channel PR was previously on (in terms of viewing at least) related to the new target audience for PRM, and if I remember correctly, Power Rangers was airing on abc before as well...
Overall, I don't completely believe that article either, with the way it started rambling on about how PR has fighting evil for so long and blah blah blah. But I'm one of those who didn't believe PR would end in the first place. So yeah...
While ABC obviously is a better known and more respected network than XD, that's in terms of adults. As we've said numerous times in this debate ABC is a horrible place for Power Rangers...at least for that to be the only place to see it. The past few years ABC has been well behind Jetix in it's schedule. I think at one point the end of one of the seasons didn't finally air on ABC until the debut of the following season of the show on Jetix due to the pre-emptions on ABC. As discussed in one of the threads here a few days ago, some people's ABC affiliate aren't even carrying the show at all.
And I have no idea where you figured that PR's target audience is mature now. The show's target audience is something like 6 or 8-13 year old boys, the same as Disney XD. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to move that show which was so successful on TD away from TD (essentially) and away from the place where it would thrive the most.
rmssw
03-22-2009, 10:18 PM
I dunno, has it actually been proven that filming in Canada is cheaper than NZ? I mean everyone says it'll be great to move to Canada and that they should move it to Canada, but is it really that much cheaper than NZ or cheaper than it at all?
Yes, it is cheaper. That's why so many US movies and TV shows are filmed there. There are cheaper taxes for filming on location and they don't have to pay to use union actors as extras even if the movie or show has big-name American SAG actors in its lead roles.
Turbo_Red
03-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Alright then, that raises the next question then. If it's cheaper, why the heck didn't they go to Canada in the first place to film as opposed to going halfway around the world where you're not going to get the cheapest price on everything? Movies and shows have been filming in Canada for years now because of cheap prices, are we suggesting that Disney all of sudden out of the blue decided to move there this year after RPM cause they just got the memo?
DarkWish
03-22-2009, 10:52 PM
Remember that debacle I and... someone or other had, wherein I was called in denial for refusing to believe PR would end?
http://henshinjustice.com/2009/03/20/breaking-news-power-rangers-lives/
Whoever you were, I expect an apology. It doesn't even have to be sincere, I just want the bragging rights. Also, remind me who you are. I've long since forgotten.
I believe that was me. And you won't be getting an apology for a few reasons:
1. It's still not confirmed that PR is continuing. There are more sources stating that it is ending than continuing. I'll wait and see what happens.
2. I believe people like Eddie and other reliable sources over this one source.
3. Apologizing would mean that I am saying that the reliable sources were wrong, which is not the case, yet people would say it was.
I would love to apologize if I am wrong, however in this case, no matter what the outcome is it is still fact that Disney was acting like RPM was the final season, whether you or anyone else chooses to believe that.
rmssw
03-22-2009, 10:55 PM
Alright then, that raises the next question then. If it's cheaper, why the heck didn't they go to Canada in the first place to film as opposed to going halfway around the world where you're not going to get the cheapest price on everything? Movies and shows have been filming in Canada for years now because of cheap prices, are we suggesting that Disney all of sudden out of the blue decided to move there this year after RPM cause they just got the memo?
I think at the time, New Zealand was even cheaper than Canada but costs have been rising ever since. Plus, it's possible that they chose New Zealand because of its relative similarity to Japan in terms of filming locations. It's probably easier to find locations that match the locations in the Japanese source footage than it is in Canada. Climate could have also been a factor. The current production season runs through what would be winter in Canada which wouldn't work since the show typically takes place in southern California.
These are just theories, of course. We'll never know why Disney chose New Zealand over Canada in the first place. We'll just have to wait and see where the next season is filmed.
DarkWish
03-22-2009, 10:58 PM
And to clarify, the reliable sources that I believe over this article said that RPM will be the last live action season and if Power Rangers does continue, it will be animated. The whole discussion I had was about the live action Power Rangers ending. So if the next season is animated, then both the reliable sources and this article are correct.
rmssw
03-22-2009, 11:09 PM
You're right...the Bandai email doesn't specify that Disney making a live-action season 18...just that Disney would be making a season 18. I'd support an animated Power Rangers...as long as it was done correctly, of course...but I certainly hope it does continue as live-action.
Turbo_Red
03-22-2009, 11:13 PM
Isn't that what at least the three of us have been arguing since this entire thing started? That it was the end of Power Rangers as we knew it? I just don't understand this ridiculous need to say "I was right, you were wrong." Or this idea that if something comes on tv, it means reports of it being cancelled aren't true. Family Guy still airs...was that not cancelled?
rmssw
03-22-2009, 11:16 PM
Yes...but it's like arguing with a brick wall...a very stubborn, childish brick wall.
Green Elephant
03-23-2009, 12:07 AM
There is a HUGE difference between a show that started live action and later was animated, and a show that Began Animated (Voltron).
As far as I know, no show has survived the transition from live action to animated. It only works in the other direction (like a live action movie of a cartoon-ie Transformers)
Super Jeff
03-23-2009, 01:31 AM
honestly if they do another season, then they should do it like super legendz. Never played the game but I heard the story line was pretty descent.
DaiRed
03-23-2009, 01:42 AM
Going animated takes away what makes Power Rangers a unique series and takes away the magic.
mbozzo
03-23-2009, 03:24 AM
If Power Rangers is contiuning pass 2009, it's good news for us fans. The problem is that the next season of Power Rangers may not be based on this season's Super Sentai series.
Super Jeff
03-23-2009, 03:39 AM
If Power Rangers is contiuning pass 2009, it's good news for us fans. The problem is that the next season of Power Rangers may not be based on this season's Super Sentai series.
what do you mean?
mbozzo
03-23-2009, 03:51 AM
I mean that if the next season of Power Rangers is a cartoon, then, Disney won't be adapting Toei's 2009 Super Sentai series.
If it's true that the show is continuing, then we should start getting some snippets of information soon. If the show is going to be live-action, then the casting calls will go out in the next couple months. Whether the show is live-action or animated, either way, Disney should be registering working titles soon, as well. At the licensing show in June, we should see our first visual evidence of what next year will hold. There probably won't be a full Power Rangers display (unless Disney is really going to hype an animated rebirth) but they'd have to have SOMETHING to represent the show. If it's a Shinkenger, then we'll know the show will stay live-action. If it's anything else, we can bet on animation. If there's nothing, then chances are we won't be getting anything in 2010.
Super Jeff
03-23-2009, 04:52 AM
From what I heard they didn't like the pilot so the animated series is now a closed book.
But it makes me wonder. Do you think the animators purposly made it crappy so they didn't have to make it animated. It's the perfect crime!
Hidden Ranger
03-23-2009, 06:47 AM
From what I heard they didn't like the pilot so the animated series is now a closed book.
But it makes me wonder. Do you think the animators purposly made it crappy so they didn't have to make it animated. It's the perfect crime!
Yeah, I'm sure those criminal masterminds were in a hurry to put themselves out of a job. :rolleyes:
rmssw
03-23-2009, 10:41 AM
I mean that if the next season of Power Rangers is a cartoon, then, Disney won't be adapting Toei's 2009 Super Sentai series.
If it's true that the show is continuing, then we should start getting some snippets of information soon. If the show is going to be live-action, then the casting calls will go out in the next couple months. Whether the show is live-action or animated, either way, Disney should be registering working titles soon, as well. At the licensing show in June, we should see our first visual evidence of what next year will hold. There probably won't be a full Power Rangers display (unless Disney is really going to hype an animated rebirth) but they'd have to have SOMETHING to represent the show. If it's a Shinkenger, then we'll know the show will stay live-action. If it's anything else, we can bet on animation. If there's nothing, then chances are we won't be getting anything in 2010.
Um, the second part of that post is mine...why was it combined with mbozzo's?
Legendary.
03-23-2009, 10:53 AM
RPM wasn't shown at the licensing show was it? That's when everyone was angry because we had to wait even longer to find out about the new season.
Bandai might have made a special case email, becuase they wanna sell toys. if the shows ovver or peoplethinkits over, that hurts sales so of course they are going to stop that, true or no,
First of all, Bandai America's target customers don't read a whole hell of a lot of newspapers. Secondly, if adult Power Rangers fans believed that Power Rangers was really ending, they'd make a mad dash to toy stores to buy the last Power Rangers toys ever produced; those toys would quickly become hot collector's items. Finally, Bandai America does enough to hurt its own sales by focusing on the quantity of its toys rather than the quality of its toys.
As I said, Toei was in town to meet with Disney. I'm told it was a legal issue.
You didn't answer my question. All you did was repeat what you said before and add that the meeting was about a legal issue. Do you have any websites that you can point to as sources for your information?
Turbo_Red
03-23-2009, 06:47 PM
So I was rereading some of the posts in the other threads about this topic and it got me thinking. Knowing how most contracts work with big time companys, is it possible that Disney is working an angle here?
Just think about it, as I've said numerous times putting this show on ABC only is pretty much suicide for the show. Everything else on ABC Kids has the luxury of airing in numerous timeslots elsewhere on the Disney family of stations. Hannah Montana, Zack and Cody, Raven, The Replacements, everything in that lineup can be seen in more than one place. So the ratings of the shows don't really take much of a hit because they're producing elsewhere, much like Power Rangers was doing (argue all you want, the numbers tell the story).
So let's say that Disney DID sign some multi-year contract a while back that locks them into producing the show and the cancelling thing did bring Toei into town to force them to do next season. If there is one thing for certain about big companys and contracts, nobody ever screws themselves on paper without a way out. For example, the NFL signed a long-term exclusive contract with EA Sports to be the only video game company in town that can make video games featuring NFL teams, players, stadiums, coaches, logos etc. However, the NFL also left themselves an out in the contract that allows them to terminate the contract as well. Any lawyer worth his salt can find all kinds of loopholes to contracts that can get their client out of it.
The question I'm posing is...What if Disney was trying to assure Power Rangers got the worst possible ratings to pull the plug on the show and not be bound by a contract with Toei as this was part of their out to the contract. I mean, it actually makes sense when you put all the information together. Jungle Fury was supposed to be the last season as told by Eddie G. the show aired as normal, on Jetix on Toon Disney (where the show did it's best ratings) as well as on ABC Kids. The "contractual obligation" forces them into doing RPM and suddenly PR is booted from TD/XD to the station where it does it's worst numbers. Something to think about, people.
Green Elephant
03-23-2009, 07:42 PM
In other words, Disney is attempting to murder PR.
rmssw
03-23-2009, 09:26 PM
That wouldn't surprise me. However, Toei is a very large company, too. They can find their own loopholes. Toei may be closing Disney's loopholes before they get to go through them and forcing Disney to continue making the show regardless of the ratings. Disney's plan may be backfiring on them. They knew they had to make RPM, so Disney put as little effort into it as possible and gave it a death sentence by airing it only on ABC so they could get out of the contract by claiming the show is no longer lucrative. Perhaps Toei caught wind of this and that's what prompted the meeting in LA and now Disney has screwed themselves over by having to keep making a show that they've doomed to low ratings.
DarkWish
03-24-2009, 12:58 AM
Can anyone explain to me why the news of RPM ending was not stickied when it was said by multiple reliable sources and then once we get one source stating Power Rangers is continuing the topic gets stickied right away? There is still more evidence that it is being cancelled. At the rate things are going on these forums, I may just leave and join Rangercast since they at least know the difference between reliable sources and non-reliable ones.
EDIT: Looks like the reliable sources are getting some confirmation that Power Rangers may get its 18th season. I guess I'll believe it, but only because they said so.
EDIT 2: Nevermind, I just mis-read it. The whole Power Rangers continuing thing is coming from Bandai, but they have yet to tell us the full situation. I'm not sure if I believe it or not, and it's hard to say if it will be live action or animated.
rmssw
03-24-2009, 01:31 AM
I'm inclined to believe it, DarkWish. And the idea I get from the email is that it's going to be live-action. However, I don't believe it's the joyous news everyone is making it out to be. As we've said ad naseum, it pretty much amounts to nothing more than Disney being forced into continuing the show through their contractual ties to Toei and Bandai. They still don't want to make the show and they would still love to cancel the show at the very first opporunity they got. We're going to keep seeing their support for the show drop and the quality will suffer. The show will most likely stay where it is on ABC and I'd be willing to bet that we see fewer episodes next year.
Think about it...why is Bandai the one coming out and saying that they and Disney "continue to be committed" to the show? If that were true, why wouldn't Disney themselves stand up and say that the reports about the show being cancelled were wrong? Because they weren't wrong. Disney did cancel the show and they were forced to un-cancel it.
Me-Hostage
03-24-2009, 01:40 AM
And the "Power Rangers is going animated!!!!!!111" continues on!!
I'd like to know, how do you people KNOW FOR FACT Disney does not want to keep the show? How do you know they want to cancel it? Because of how sucky the recent seasons have been? Because you hate Disney, and whatever you say is fact?
Yep, okay.
rmssw
03-24-2009, 01:58 AM
We know because they cancelled the show. Whether you believe it or not.
ZiggyxDillonShipper
03-24-2009, 03:10 AM
I think the confirmation still isn't out till RPM ends and we get another promo. Before then, I'll just keep my trap shut and continue enjoying RPM.
Super Jeff
03-24-2009, 03:20 AM
You know, we won't know till 2010. So we don't know if it is ending or not.
Question
03-24-2009, 03:36 AM
No, we'll know for sure before 2010. It's always announced the year before.
Super Jeff
03-24-2009, 03:48 AM
Yrue so we won't know till summer as that is usually when the next series is usually announced.
DarkWish
03-24-2009, 04:07 AM
We know because they cancelled the show. Whether you believe it or not.
Bingo. Whether or not RPM will be the last season remains to be seen, but at one point in time it was the final season. As rmssw said, it is true whether you believe it or not.
rmssw
03-24-2009, 10:59 AM
How many times does it need to be said that we will know BEFORE 2010 whether or not there will be a show in 2010? It's not like these are last-minute decisions. A lot has to be done long before a show ever makes it to the air...a lot of things that leave a trail that we would pick up on. We'll know by June.
ThatGuy83
03-24-2009, 02:06 PM
I would love to see Shinkenger adapted with Judd Lynn as EP. But I'm going to sit back and enjoy RPM for what it is.
Iron Ranger
03-25-2009, 03:36 AM
I cry tears of joy...
Not really but I thought our whole underground fandom would die and wither away and only those who watched Super Sentai would stay on but knowing that Power Rnagers live make me glad.
Platinum Ranger
03-25-2009, 03:40 PM
You didn't answer my question. All you did was repeat what you said before and add that the meeting was about a legal issue. Do you have any websites that you can point to as sources for your information?
That comment wasn't directed to you. My source is someone who would know. Forgive me for sounding suspicious, but it's for the best if I keep names to myself.
That comment wasn't directed to you. My source is someone who would know. Forgive me for sounding suspicious, but it's for the best if I keep names to myself.
Why did you share your supposed inside information if you were concerned about the privacy of your sources? Here's a guess: you don't really have any legitimate inside sources to confirm a meeting between Disney and Toei and you were hoping that nobody would call you on it.
Platinum Ranger
03-26-2009, 12:35 PM
How does giving information automatically lead someone to a source? If it did, you wouldn't be asking about a source. I do think it's for the best that I don't name any names and I have no interest in trying to validate myself to you or to anyone else, and certainly not here.
Turbo_Red
03-27-2009, 05:29 AM
How does giving information automatically lead someone to a source? If it did, you wouldn't be asking about a source. I do think it's for the best that I don't name any names and I have no interest in trying to validate myself to you or to anyone else, and certainly not here.
Huh? Maybe I'm just crazy, but, I have no clue what you just said there. How does giving information lead automatically lead someone to a source? What are you trying to say? If you're giving information then the source of that information needs to be addressed. Also, don't be offended if someone isn't exactly jumping to believe what you're saying as it's pretty much been established here that "sources" mean nothing around here. You need a signed letter by Mickey Mouse himself for anything to be true, people and websites with "sources" can't be trusted...unless of course those websites tell you they got an e-mail from Bandai saying what everyone WANTS to hear, then those websites have credibility.
I honestly still don't understand how this works, Bandai speaks for Disney. It's like WWE deciding that Friday Night Smackdown is no longer going to be in their lineup of shows and nobody believes it despite all the evidence pointing to it being true. Then THQ (that's right, the people who make the video games) sends out an email talking about making the next Smackdown game and that Smackdown isn't being cancelled even though there still hasn't been any word from the WWE. Insanity I say.
How does giving information automatically lead someone to a source? If it did, you wouldn't be asking about a source. I do think it's for the best that I don't name any names and I have no interest in trying to validate myself to you or to anyone else, and certainly not here.
I would agree with Turbo Red: I'm not sure what you just tried to say. If I had to guess at what you were trying to communicate, I would say that you were trying to ask me how I know that you're not the source instead of somebody else.
As I said, Toei was in town to meet with Disney. I'm told it was a legal issue.
That's how I know.
Also, don't be offended if someone isn't exactly jumping to believe what you're saying as it's pretty much been established here that "sources" mean nothing around here. You need a signed letter by Mickey Mouse himself for anything to be true, people and websites with "sources" can't be trusted...unless of course those websites tell you they got an e-mail from Bandai saying what everyone WANTS to hear, then those websites have credibility.
I honestly still don't understand how this works, Bandai speaks for Disney. It's like WWE deciding that Friday Night Smackdown is no longer going to be in their lineup of shows and nobody believes it despite all the evidence pointing to it being true. Then THQ (that's right, the people who make the video games) sends out an email talking about making the next Smackdown game and that Smackdown isn't being cancelled even though there still hasn't been any word from the WWE. Insanity I say.
Don't group me with the people who dismissed the newspaper articles as evidence for the show ending yet threw a "told you so" party when links were posted to websites featuring a supposed e-mail from Bandai America stating that the show would continue. I'm not one of those people. In fact I expressed my doubts about the authenticity of the e-mail in post #17 of this thread. I don't know if the show is going to end after R.P.M. or not and I'm just waiting to see what happens. Somebody could argue that I'm on your side because I argued that the newspaper articles might be right and I argued that the Bandai America e-mail could be fake, but the key phrases here are "might be" and "could be." Until something public is released by Disney on its website, on one or more of its TV channels, or in an official press conference, I have no belief about PR's fate one way or the other. Claiming that I need a letter signed by Mickey Mouse is basically the definition of the logical fallacy of appeal to ridicule: using ridicule in place of a valid argument.
Two more things:
First, when people on this forum dismiss any news about the show not from Disney, they have a valid point: why believe sources that could be wrong when you could just get news straight from the horse's mouth or wait to see what happens? Has anyone actually tried to e-mail Disney about the fate of the show? Second, you made a good point about how ridiculous it was for so many people to dismiss the newspaper articles yet accept with open arms the questionable e-mail supposedly from Bandai America because it agreed with a forgone conclusion they already had: that they were right and the other side was wrong.
Turbo_Red
03-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Don't group me with the people who dismissed the newspaper articles as evidence for the show ending yet threw a "told you so" party when links were posted to websites featuring a supposed e-mail from Bandai America stating that the show would continue. I'm not one of those people. In fact I expressed my doubts about the authenticity of the e-mail in post #17 of this thread. I don't know if the show is going to end after R.P.M. or not and I'm just waiting to see what happens. Somebody could argue that I'm on your side because I argued that the newspaper articles might be right and I argued that the Bandai America e-mail could be fake, but the key phrases here are "might be" and "could be." Until something public is released by Disney on its website, on one or more of its TV channels, or in an official press conference, I have no belief about PR's fate one way or the other. Claiming that I need a letter signed by Mickey Mouse is basically the definition of the logical fallacy of appeal to ridicule: using ridicule in place of a valid argument.
Two more things:
First, when people on this forum dismiss any news about the show not from Disney, they have a valid point: why believe sources that could be wrong when you could just get news straight from the horse's mouth or wait to see what happens? Has anyone actually tried to e-mail Disney about the fate of the show? Second, you made a good point about how ridiculous it was for so many people to dismiss the newspaper articles yet accept with open arms the questionable e-mail supposedly from Bandai America because it agreed with a forgone conclusion they already had: that they were right and the other side was wrong.
I actually wasn't addressing you with that post, as you stated you didn't make any final judgements on either side. I can see why you might have thought I was addressing you as I was informing him not to be surprised if no one believed him as he was addressing you. However as I said, I wasn't talking about you with that, but to those people in the other threads that told people like myself, Darkwish and rmssw that we pretty much needed a signed statement from the desk of Mickey (exaggerating obviously, but that's pretty much the type of proof they claimed to need before the "rumors" could be proven) for things to be true, but then closed all those topics and started this "I'm right, you're wrong" campaign the second that suspect e-mail came out.
I actually wasn't addressing you with that post, as you stated you didn't make any final judgements on either side. I can see why you might have thought I was addressing you as I was informing him not to be surprised if no one believed him as he was addressing you. However as I said, I wasn't talking about you with that, but to those people in the other threads that told people like myself, Darkwish and rmssw that we pretty much needed a signed statement from the desk of Mickey (exaggerating obviously, but that's pretty much the type of proof they claimed to need before the "rumors" could be proven) for things to be true, but then closed all those topics and started this "I'm right, you're wrong" campaign the second that suspect e-mail came out.
I see. Well as I said before, you did a good job of pointing out the irony of the thought process shared by those people. Personally, I'd like to see Power Rangers end just to see some big egos on this forum get deflated. ;)
DarkProject
03-30-2009, 03:45 PM
Bandai is enlisting help from Toyfare readers in deciding which Super Legends figure they will update for Spring 2010.
http://www.inscnet.com/toyfare/
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/031209powerpoll.html
Point for the "Continuing" column, IMHO.
Green Elephant
03-30-2009, 04:17 PM
Not really. Since Super Legends is based on previous series, Bandai would be able to continue them whether the show extends or not.
DarkProject
03-30-2009, 04:32 PM
Not really. Since Super Legends is based on previous series, Bandai would be able to continue them whether the show extends or not.
While technically true, they only release a couple figures in with the wave coming for the show. They wouldn't be able to sustain the line with one or two figures if it didn't also come with sales from the current show. They wouldn't be able to have a spot on retail shelves without a full line.
While I agree that by itself it means nothing, I think that combining it with the email reinforces the point.
DarkWish
04-04-2009, 03:03 PM
I don't know if it's been discussed already, but here's more proof that Power Rangers is ending: http://www.rangercast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8602.
It seems that Bandai will continue to make toys, but the show will end. The Bandai email makes since because if they're continuing with the toys, they must have been confused and thought the show was continuing or something. But it's more proof that this is the last live action season.
DanAbare86
04-04-2009, 07:27 PM
I will believe when it happens. For the last couple of years people sed this is the last season. An evey it is another season of power rangers.
White Lion Ranger
04-05-2009, 09:30 AM
Remember that debacle I and... someone or other had, wherein I was called in denial for refusing to believe PR would end?
http://henshinjustice.com/2009/03/20/breaking-news-power-rangers-lives/
Whoever you were, I expect an apology. It doesn't even have to be sincere, I just want the bragging rights. Also, remind me who you are. I've long since forgotten.
thank you so much for the great news im really glad that they are going to doi another season and hopfully they get another good director again as well.
As for the *** who said other wise, if he ain't i will say it for him/her. "sorry"
Legendary.
04-05-2009, 09:38 AM
thank you so much for the great news im really glad that they are going to doi another season and hopfully they get another good director again as well.
As for the *** who said other wise, if he ain't i will say it for him/her. "sorry"
I don't know if it's been discussed already, but here's more proof that Power Rangers is ending: http://www.rangercast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8602.
It seems that Bandai will continue to make toys, but the show will end. The Bandai email makes since because if they're continuing with the toys, they must have been confused and thought the show was continuing or something. But it's more proof that this is the last live action season.
Someone doesn't read.
things are starting to look a little more grim though.
With the other incarnations of Power rangers, there were left loose ends. THIS show is extremely TIGHT for loose ends that could be used for a future season. NOT saying that there are no plot holes or what not, but I don;t the kind of open ended writing that would allow for a team up next season. Morphers that DNA bond to their wearers is bad news to beign with, The time period set is worse news. It effectively forbids any saban era character from appearing. Combined with the fact Jungle Fury didn't really have a team up, and it would be hard writing wise to get the ranger from JF to show up forthis becuae of the time gap, theyd be too young looking....
SO if you love PR,I suggest you write Disney telling them what what you like about it.....whether or not you think this is a favorite of yours or not, as long as THEY think they're gaining ground. And OFFER TO BUY SOMETHING **** it.
Super Jeff
04-05-2009, 02:20 PM
even if the show ends it can still continue in toy line. That is still happening for JLU.
DaiRed
04-05-2009, 06:34 PM
even if the show ends it can still continue in toy line. That is still happening for JLU.
But I want to watch them, not play with them.
rmssw
04-05-2009, 07:12 PM
But I want to watch them, not play with them.
Exactly. The toys are fun. I've always been a huge fan of the Megazords. I think Bandai has gotten better since Overdrive and even though the Megazords are still different from the Japanese versions, they're not as crappy in comparison. I would really enjoy it if Bandai started re-releasing old Megazords, too. However, I'd much rather have the show than the toys.
TokuFan
04-05-2009, 10:42 PM
Well,if we look on the bright side,it might give Dragon Knight some space if it does end.
DaiRed
04-05-2009, 11:16 PM
Well,if we look on the bright side,it might give Dragon Knight some space if it does end.
There's a differnece between PR and KR though. Power Rangers has remained strong since 1993. Kamen Rider just started this year. I'd rather keep Rangers going.
LEONARDO
04-06-2009, 10:49 AM
There's a differnece between PR and KR though. Power Rangers has remained strong since 1993. Kamen Rider just started this year. I'd rather keep Rangers going.
Yes you are absolutely right
Jreece23
04-07-2009, 02:27 AM
This is a very interesting thread....
I just have to say, coming from someone whose stopped watching PR years ago, I don't think that the animation option is something that should be shunned upon.
Of course we can all see the limitations associated with this decision, but in truth, the limitations are very few in nature. First of all, going towards the animation route could greatly energize an otherwise dead series. Now with all due respect, and I certainly don't mean to offend any of you: not many people even take PR seriously anymore;not as medium, and not as an entertainment franchise. PR used to be a major player in not just kid's entertainment, but in entertainment in general. Now it's just a shell of it's formal self. And as Rmssw stated, even if the series was revived for a live-action adaptation, it's highly doubtful that it will be treated with the respect that you all feel it deserves. That being said, I personally feel that going the animation route could breathe some much needed fresh air into the franchise. There are so much more things that you can do with an animated show. For example, compare the following; TMNT/Ninja turtles movies/Ninja turtles show, Dragonball Z/Dragonball evolution, Star Wars/Stars the clone Wars. Also, this change could actually give Disney more creative freedom in what they wanna do, and could provide what PR fans have wanted for years; a truly original PR series. They could even bring back old characters. Yes I know it's not exactly the same, but either way you look at it, whether they bring it back or not, it's not looking good for the medium.
Iron Ranger
04-07-2009, 05:23 AM
You bring up good points but that fact that Power Rangers IS live-action is apart of what it is. All the other superhero shows were cartoons then all of a sudden real people becoming real superheroes came out. If you make Power rangers animated you turn it inot every other lame-*ss superhero shows kids watch.
DarkWish
04-07-2009, 06:10 AM
Nobody answered my question earlier. Why is it that we have this topic stickied that has only a little bit of evidence and not a topic about Power Rangers ending, which has a ton more evidence supporting that? Seems kind of biased to me.
bulkmier65
04-07-2009, 07:22 AM
That's cause it is biased. You see, most people, unlike you for some reason, want PR to continue. And to most, the news that PR might continue is something exciting, and so the thread is stickied. It presents hope, while threads about how PR might end are rather depressing. Personally, when I log on every day, it's nice to see a thread that looks optimistically at the future. With all the crap thats going in the world these days, it's nice to have something to look forward too. And you know what? We might get disappointed, and there might not be another season, but even if Disney came out today and said so, I bet you people would still be hoping, because it's nice to hope.
Lighten up a bit and stop trying to bring everyone's hopes down.
DaiRed
04-07-2009, 11:21 AM
That's cause it is biased. You see, most people, unlike you for some reason, want PR to continue. And to most, the news that PR might continue is something exciting, and so the thread is stickied. It presents hope, while threads about how PR might end are rather depressing. Personally, when I log on every day, it's nice to see a thread that looks optimistically at the future. With all the crap thats going in the world these days, it's nice to have something to look forward too. And you know what? We might get disappointed, and there might not be another season, but even if Disney came out today and said so, I bet you people would still be hoping, because it's nice to hope.
Lighten up a bit and stop trying to bring everyone's hopes down.
Bravo! :)
Rebelde
04-07-2009, 11:36 AM
That's cause it is biased. You see, most people, unlike you for some reason, want PR to continue. And to most, the news that PR might continue is something exciting, and so the thread is stickied. It presents hope, while threads about how PR might end are rather depressing. Personally, when I log on every day, it's nice to see a thread that looks optimistically at the future. With all the crap thats going in the world these days, it's nice to have something to look forward too. And you know what? We might get disappointed, and there might not be another season, but even if Disney came out today and said so, I bet you people would still be hoping, because it's nice to hope.
Lighten up a bit and stop trying to bring everyone's hopes down.
Amazing. Just...amazing! Well said dude! Words of the day! :D :D *claps*
Legendary.
04-07-2009, 08:10 PM
That's cause it is biased. You see, most people, unlike you for some reason, want PR to continue. And to most, the news that PR might continue is something exciting, and so the thread is stickied. It presents hope, while threads about how PR might end are rather depressing. Personally, when I log on every day, it's nice to see a thread that looks optimistically at the future. With all the crap thats going in the world these days, it's nice to have something to look forward too. And you know what? We might get disappointed, and there might not be another season, but even if Disney came out today and said so, I bet you people would still be hoping, because it's nice to hope.
Lighten up a bit and stop trying to bring everyone's hopes down.
It's not about bringing people's hope down. (I honestly could care less if the series got canceled or not. I'm a fan but it isn't my life's ambition to see and hope Power Rangers goes on.) It's about being honest with yourself. It's not healthy to set yourself up for disappoint. Whether it's nice to hope or not it's like getting stood up on a date. Are you gonna keep waiting for someone that's not gonna show up? All evidence is pointing towards Disney standing us up this year for good. So yes you can hope all you want, but if it doesn't happen (personally when it doesn't happen) what then? I personally do not want to sit through Samurai Storm, Samurai Force, or whatever other fans want to call the next season and give us a bunch of fan-fic ideas.
I'm not gonna argue about why this thread is stickied, once again, I don't care if it is or isn't. I just wanted to defend both sides because like I said, I am a fan. I want Power Rangers to have its natural run, so if it's run its course its run its course.
If you want a thread that optimistically looks at the future (of Power Rangers in specific) go through the RPM threads. You can hope the season gets better than it already is there, you can read about peoples hope that the future episodes are as good as the ones that have already aired, and you can read about members thinking that Judd will do a good job picking up what Eddie had to leave behind.
Hope is an empty promise to yourself in this case.
Anyways threads about it ending aren't all that depressing. Look on the brightside, you can feel nostalgic about the past, look back at the episode that made you a fan, and you can remember the show's high points with fellow members and make new friends while you're at it.
I swear I will apologize for all this if there is another season.
DarkWish
04-09-2009, 12:14 AM
That's cause it is biased. You see, most people, unlike you for some reason, want PR to continue. And to most, the news that PR might continue is something exciting, and so the thread is stickied. It presents hope, while threads about how PR might end are rather depressing. Personally, when I log on every day, it's nice to see a thread that looks optimistically at the future. With all the crap thats going in the world these days, it's nice to have something to look forward too. And you know what? We might get disappointed, and there might not be another season, but even if Disney came out today and said so, I bet you people would still be hoping, because it's nice to hope.
Lighten up a bit and stop trying to bring everyone's hopes down.
Why do you and everyone else love to assume things about others that are completely not true. Do you think I want Power Rangers to end? Do you think I want the 17 years of entertainment in my life to come to a close? Do you honestly think that I log onto an internet message board just to ruin peoples' days? I sure as hell hope not. I'm not some evil pessimistic person that some people on these forums make me out to be.
I love Power Rangers, I absolutely adore it. Power Rangers is a huge part of my life and I am very, very, very disappointed that it is ending. I'm also a very optimistic person. Every single season, when people complain about things, I tend to view the episodes in a positive manner. You know the past few seasons and how most people seem to hate them? Yea, I didn't think they were that bad and actually enjoyed them for the most part.
I come here to bring the truth. I want to be optimistic, but at the same time realistic. Hope is different than false hope, as I have learned in my life. I don't want people to be disappointed. Just think about the insane number of topics that will continue after RPM ends about people complaining that there is not another season coming.
The reason I come to RangerTalk is discuss Power Rangers. I feel it's a waste of time if everyone just busies themselves with the very small glimmers of hope. Why do you think I maintain the info topic and episode guide every year? So I can keep track of what's going on because I want to know everything there is to know about one of my favorite shows.
But unfortunately, all good things must come to an end one day and that time is coming up for Power Rangers. I would LOVE for Power Rangers to continue, but I don't want to spend the next few months of my life living off of some false hope. So don't ever, ever say I don't want Power Rangers to continue. If that was the case, I clearly wouldn't be here.
DarkProject
04-09-2009, 03:34 PM
There's just no pleasing some people. If you'd rather be right than happy, Darkwish, then good luck to you.
DarkWish
04-09-2009, 04:58 PM
There's just no pleasing some people. If you'd rather be right than happy, Darkwish, then good luck to you.
Yes, I'd rather be right than happy that I'm fooling myself. I don't see what the big deal is. I don't think I should get my hopes up when there is nothing to get my hopes up about. I've faced the facts. I'm not going to be happy that Power Rangers is ending, if that's what you want. I will, however, be happy about RPM and enjoy whatever is remaining of Power Rangers.
Zen Aku
04-09-2009, 11:24 PM
maybe they'll decide to make another Power Rangers series either by anime or cgi
Ranger Yellow
04-10-2009, 01:27 AM
Due to an outbreak of similar threads, I'm sticking this one. Discuss your views on PR not being canceled here. Any other thread related to this topic will be closed.
Thanks
Nobody answered my question earlier. Why is it that we have this topic stickied that has only a little bit of evidence and not a topic about Power Rangers ending, which has a ton more evidence supporting that? Seems kind of biased to me.
Here's your answer.
DaiRed
04-10-2009, 06:42 AM
maybe they'll decide to make another Power Rangers series either by anime or cgi
Live action makes PR what it is though. And going animated just makes it another cartoon.
Iron Ranger
04-10-2009, 05:19 PM
I think the reason this thread was stickied was because we had a actual proof that Power Rangers was continuing on...
And Dai red I said them same thing a page back...
DarkWish
04-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Here's your answer.
Yes, but both the topic and that post state that this thread is for discuss Power Rangers NOT being cancelled.
I think the reason this thread was stickied was because we had a actual proof that Power Rangers was continuing on...
And Dai red I said them same thing a page back...
And isn't it funny that this "actual proof" turned out be false?
I just don't understand why when there were numerous source (including an article from a news site or something) stating that Power Rangers was ending and nobody listened but then suddenly when we get one unconfirmed report that it is continuing, this thread is stickied and a bunch of people here decided to listen to that report and believe it. And isn't it ironic that the rumor is false?
People criticized me for believing rumors but everyone in this topic that believed Bandai ended up being wrong. Bandai will be continuing with the toys and the show is ending. That's how it stands.
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