Zack a frog?

[Jiemusu]

I recently discovered a member that claimed that Zack's character was like a frog, and that this is what Saban was trying to achieve with his character, we see him as a cool guy but behind the scenes he is like a frog. And that Adam borrowed this characteristic from him, and that's why Adam is similar to that of a frog.

Can anyone explain this to me? Because it seems the member won't. And I can't see much sense in it.

[GekiCosmic]

Well, if he won't back it up, he's just making baseless claims. I can't see much sense in it either.

The only reason, IMO, that Adam had ANYTHING to do with a frog is simply because of Kakuranger. If Kakuranger had've made Black a giraffe, this guy would probably be saying "Oh, Zack totally has the personality of a Giraffe. They reused that personality for Adam!"

Zack never seemed anything BUT cool. I mean, sure, he had a fear of spiders... but everybody has fears, and being "fearless" doesn't make you cool either.

I honestly can't see where this dude is coming from, J.

[ForeverBlue]

I recently discovered a member that claimed that Zack's character was like a frog, and that this is what Saban was trying to achieve with his character, we see him as a cool guy but behind the scenes he is like a frog. And that Adam borrowed this characteristic from him, and that's why Adam is similar to that of a frog.

Can anyone explain this to me? Because it seems the member won't. And I can't see much sense in it.

I never knew that before o.O

[Green Elephant]

What personality characteristics are you implying for the frog, giraffe, etc.

We should make a thread about the animal spirit you think you have.

Me, I'm an elephant because I have a great memory and I love to eat (Yes that's my avatar on this site)

[Jiemusu]

Honestly, I'm not even sure what the "frog personality" is. That's why I asked what Zack did that was similar to it, but no reply.

I'm getting the vibe that it's just another fanboyish way to reach out and boost Adam up with things that didn't actually happen, simply because Adam returned in PRIS and OAR. But I still want to check in case there is some logic to it that we're all missing.

[Super Jeff]

I would think a frog would be like something ordinary but then turns into something amazing. Like Duleca said about him being a prince.

[Jiemusu]

I would think a frog would be like something ordinary but then turns into something amazing. Like Duleca said about him being a prince.

Actually Jeff, that's pretty cool. Thanks.

That sort of does predict Adam's Ranger career and future. During MMPR - Zeo he wasn't anything spectacular, but by Turbo/PRIS and OAR time, he blossomed into something completely new.

They could go for catapillar or butterfly, but that seems silly. I guess frog suits that fine.

It explains Adam then.

Still wondering what that has to do with Zack's character though. Since the claim was that Adam "borrowed" the characteristic from Zack.

[Razor]

I'm not seeing it myself. Sorry.

[2580]

Me, I'm an elephant because I have a great memory and I love to eat (Yes that's my avatar on this site)

I don't know if elephants necessarily love to eat, they just eat a lot because they need a lot of energy and nutrients for their enormous bodies to function. Their only consideration about food would be survival because they don't have the luxury that we do of being selective about our food based on things like flavor, texture, consistency, freshness, and even aesthetics.

I would think a frog would be like something ordinary but then turns into something amazing. Like Duleca said about him being a prince.

The only problem with that is that Dulcea is referencing a fairytale from Earth. Unless frogs live on all planets in the PR universe and there's a similar fairytale told on all of them, this reasoning doesn't work. I think the only three animal spirits that actually had some real thought put into them were the bear, the wolf, and the ape.

[Hollaman]

First of all, what exactly is a frog like personality? I don't think the writers intended on relating Zack to a frog. Like someone said before me the only reason why the frog thing even came up was because of Kakuranger.

[Green Elephant]

I figure there are other planets where intelligent life descended from a different animal family (like the Shi'ar in Marvel descend from birds).

Example: Edenites descend from insects.
My own characters the Vegetarians descend from plants and fungus.
Sirians descend from canines
(Wherever Kat is from) descend from felines.

[2580]

I figure there are other planets where intelligent life descended from a different animal family (like the Shi'ar in Marvel descend from birds).

Example: Edenites descend from insects.
My own characters the Vegetarians descend from plants and fungus.
Sirians descend from canines
(Wherever Kat is from) descend from felines.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything said on the thread so far. Maybe you could clarify where you're going with this line of thought. Also, plants and fungi are from two completely different taxonomic kingdoms.

[Green Elephant]

It came from Super Jeff saying that frogs may live on all planets in the universe.

[2580]

It came from Super Jeff saying that frogs may live on all planets in the universe.

Really? I could've sworn that he said this:

I would think a frog would be like something ordinary but then turns into something amazing. Like Duleca said about him being a prince.

There's nothing in there at all about the possibility that frogs may live on all planets in the universe. Plus, that would be impossible because not all planets are rocky and not all rocky planets are capable of supporting life. I think the only person who has said anything like what you're talking about was me:

The only problem with that is that Dulcea is referencing a fairytale from Earth. Unless frogs live on all planets in the PR universe and there's a similar fairytale told on all of them, this reasoning doesn't work.

[Durakken]

Dulcea has been to Earth

the bits that got chopped off put Dulcea as one of the warriors that sealed Ivan away in 4000 BCE. I am unsure when the frog prince story came about but in the PR universe one must assume it came about before Dulcea was imprisoned on Pheados

Zack is portrayed in his interactions with Angela as being rather uncool. Frogs are generally considered not appealing on the outside, but when a person can get past that they find that there is someone special there. This is how he was always treated by Angela, Bulk, and Skull (though Bulk and Skull assumedly treated all people the same way). We also have the double date, pearl necklace episode relating Zack to frog legs, and we also know that the Movie and Ninja powers were initially meant for him. We can also assume that Adam's episode Mirror of ???? was made for Zack and was simply changed a little for Adam. This shows even more that Zack was meant to have been shown as someone who was picked on and teased but eventually becomes a great person.

[2580]

Dulcea has been to Earth

the bits that got chopped off put Dulcea as one of the warriors that sealed Ivan away in 4000 BCE. I am unsure when the frog prince story came about but in the PR universe one must assume it came about before Dulcea was imprisoned on Pheados

I've never come across any of that information before, not even from reading the script that they were going to use but later revised. Where exactly did you come across this information? Even if these were story elements that they were going to use, they ultimately didn't use them so they're not canon to the film and no PR fan can state that Dulcea has been to Earth without it just being conjecture.

[Durakken]

From what I understand from what I've read the original story was that...

Zordon was a part of /formed this group The warriors of Melledon?, or something like that, which imprisoned Ivan on Earth. Dulcea was part of this group. The only remaining living member.

It's never said that Dulcea went to earth directly but given Zordon set up the base on Earth 10,000 years ago and ivan was imprisoned 6000 years ago it's unlikely Dulcea didn't go there, and even if she didn't she still might have remained in contact and they might of exchanged stories. It was cut out for some reason or another but apparently parts of it were in the comic version.

[Jiemusu]

You do realise that Dulcea and Phaedos isn't canon to the main storyline right?

Ninja Quest?

Ninjor gave them the powers.

This isn't the movie-verse, there is no Dulcea.

Just thought I'd mention that.

Also so what you're saying is. Adam wasn't cool when he first became a Ranger? Not that I disagree with that statement, but I always figured that you were arguing for the opposite of that. What gives?

And I still can't see the sense. I can see where you're trying to get with this, but it doesn't work. Zack wasn't treated like someone who was uncool, apart from those three people (Angela, Bulk, Skull) he was adored and cherised like all... he was treated with the upmost 'coolness', possibly tenfold more than people treat others. Zack was never treated as a frog, ever. You could argue that throughout MMPR1 the relationship between him and Angela was like that of a frog in a fairytale, but Angela seemed more of the "frog", she was the one that "changed" at the end, not Zack. Zack remained fairly much the same character throughout MMPR1/2, and was adored by all sans 2/3 people (1 which later did, and 2 who hate everyone).

And in terms of Zack being destined to recieve the frog spirit because he was the Black Ranger. There is always the idea that Rocky, Adam, Aisha were originally supposed to be Rangers instead, but Zordon had to improvise because they were in Stone Canyon somehow instead of Angel Grove. And that Jason, Zack and Trini were in Angel Grove at the time. But that's another theory.

Because then, Jason would get the Ape, and Trini would get the Bear.

[Xerox]

This is kinda ridiculous, don't you think? When the character of Zack was introduced, Kakuranger did not even exist, so why would the writers introduce him to have the personality of a frog? Why then, didn't they also give him the personality of a Mastodon and a Lion?
The answer is simply because the rangers' personalities weren't necessarily that of their animal, since the Zords kept changing. A mastodon is in no way like a frog and only somewhat like a lion. Zack was Zack, a cool dancer/ martial artist guy. The only reason Angela didn't seem to appreciate him was obviously because she secretly had feelings for him, but wanted him to work for it a little.
The eating frog legs part has little to do with the ninja animal also. It was a French restaurant, and Bulk and Skull ate more than Zack did.
Maybe those two have the personality of frogs, then. Ugly and unpleasant at first, but then you realize their inner goodness as "frogs" when they become cops. Anything can be argued that way, but there's no real in-show basis supporting it.

[bulkmier65]

To be honest, the whole animal characteristic thing is very vague and subjective. You can pretty much fit any desired animal to the personality of many (but not all) of the rangers. You can say that Jason is like a dog, because he's extremely loyal to his friends. In that respect however, all of the original five are like dogs, because all are extremely loyal to each other. In fact, the personalities of the original six, as well as the three replacements, are all pretty similar: They are all upstanding, polite, friendly, and intelligent. There are some distinguishing factors between them, such as their hobbies, but for the most part they're pretty similar.

In regards to the topic at hand here, I would argue that the only reason it is being said Zack is like a frog is because it is assumed that is the zord he would have gotten had he stayed on the show, (and knowing the way PR works it's fair to say he would have). Ninjor might have given him a different coin than Adam received, but we will never know. But saying that Zack would have gotten the frog just because it happened to Adam is a little ridiculous, the same with saying that "Mirror of Regret" was originally written for Zack. By saying that, are you also saying that "Rocky Just Wants to Have Fun" was originally written for Jason? I'm sure that the writing team did some rewrites for those episodes before filming them, it's been shown (via the alternate opening for "Day of the Dumpster" Tony Oliver screened at Morphicon) that rewrites for PR could be done fairly quickly and cost-effectively. You can't say that these things would happen to Jason/Trini/Zack just because they happened to Rocky/Aisha/Adam. There's no way to prove that that

Can Zack be compared to a frog? Yes, but as stated, characteristics of given animal A can be applied to almost any ranger B. Saying that Zack is like a frog because Adam was a frog, doesn't work. Let Zack be what Zack was, a mastadon

[Super Jeff]

Honestly a frog is more compared to billy as he was a meek in the first season. But then he grew into a more confident warrior as the series progressed.

[Jiemusu]

Honestly a frog is more compared to billy as he was a meek in the first season. But then he grew into a more confident warrior as the series progressed.

That's true actually.

In fact both Adam and Billy had the frog personality, just one was on a larger time scale than the other.

You could argue that Tommy had the frog personality too.

But I really can't see it in Zack at all.