Rita, Zedd, and the Z-Wave

[Super Jeff]

This might be a corny theory but here it goes. WHen Rita and Zedd got married they loved each other. Then when the Z-Wave hit them a few years later they were spared. Now I am thinking the Z-Wave spared them because no one is completly evil if they love each other. SO it was their love that saved one another.
Now this is just a theory though.

[DarkWolf21]

Interesting theory. Never thought of it that way!

[Mustang3173]

Then how do you explain Divatox?

[Super Jeff]

Then how do you explain Divatox?

I'm not sure about her but I think it works for rita and zedd.

[Chris3123]

The way I see it, them being spared means they weren't always evil. Look at Astronema. We know she was good at one point, and when the wave hits her it just destroys the "Astronema" part of her, leaving her original good self behind. So it makes sense for the same to be true for Zedd, Rita, and Divatox.

[DaiRed]

The way I see it, them being spared means they weren't always evil. Look at Astronema. We know she was good at one point, and when the wave hits her it just destroys the "Astronema" part of her, leaving her original good self behind. So it makes sense for the same to be true for Zedd, Rita, and Divatox.

Ah, but let's not forget that there's still a part of Karone's mind that is Astronema, which was shown in Lost Galaxy when she had to battle a vision of Astronema to enter the cave.

[Green Elephant]

Then how do you explain Divatox?

Divatox, like Astronema, was kidnapped and raised evil.

[Mustang3173]

Divatox, like Astronema, was kidnapped and raised evil.

When was that explained?

[King]

You can be completely evil and yet still love somebody. Just look at certain members of the machine empire.

And they didn't get married because they loved each other. They did so originally because of a spell and loads of deceit on Rita's part. Later it was showed that Zedd really did love Rita but I'm not sure if Rita ever really loved Zedd. If memory serves me right, their whole relationship on her end was a sham.

[Evil Green Ranger]

plus ecliptor loved astronima like a daughter, that always made me upset he was destroyed when he showed compassion...but either way he was destroyed as well

[Question]

Mondo and Machina loved each other, and they got canned.

[Jiemusu]

This might be a corny theory but here it goes. WHen Rita and Zedd got married they loved each other. Then when the Z-Wave hit them a few years later they were spared. Now I am thinking the Z-Wave spared them because no one is completly evil if they love each other. SO it was their love that saved one another.
Now this is just a theory though.

Face validity, appears to make sense. So yeah, I'm going with it.

Whether they loved each other all the time after, i.e. Mystic Force, is still debatable though.

Maybe because they fell in love "when evil", the love kept them from being pure evil. But after they had been turned pure good, it was the significant amount of evil in them that held the love together, in an ironic twist. Without the evil, the love died.

Then how do you explain Divatox?

You could loosely argue that she loved her brother. Not in that way, but it's still enough to deny a status of pure evil.

The way I see it, them being spared means they weren't always evil. Look at Astronema. We know she was good at one point, and when the wave hits her it just destroys the "Astronema" part of her, leaving her original good self behind. So it makes sense for the same to be true for Zedd, Rita, and Divatox.

It appears to make sense that Divatox, Zedd and Rita were originally humanoid. I mean having them being transformed or manipulated into the forms we first see them in would explain why the Z Wave turned them back, removing the evil, turning them back to what they were before the evil changed them.

Say they were originally like we first saw them, in their evil forms, the Z wave would have removed their evil, ergo them. But, it didn't.

In my books, they were originally good humanoids.

Also wasn't Divatox the twin sister to the Rangers' mentor, or was that a scrapped idea?

You can be completely evil and yet still love somebody. Just look at certain members of the machine empire.

And they didn't get married because they loved each other. They did so originally because of a spell and loads of deceit on Rita's part. Later it was showed that Zedd really did love Rita but I'm not sure if Rita ever really loved Zedd. If memory serves me right, their whole relationship on her end was a sham.

Well I didn't see Zedd with her in Mystic Force. I reckon they'd split by then.

plus ecliptor loved astronima like a daughter, that always made me upset he was destroyed when he showed compassion...but either way he was destroyed as well

Remember Ecliptor DID turn good, but was shortly afterwards turned into what could be described as a "cyborg", his memories and emotions apparently wiped clean, a souless killer. Hence why the Z Wave destroyed all of him.

Mondo and Machina loved each other, and they got canned.

That depends on whether you think it's possible for mineral objects, machines, to love.

[Question]

I think it's a touch more likely than most of the plots we've seen on PR.

Mondo once sent down a monster that made people fall in love with machines. If machines aren't capable of love, I doubt this would've beena viable plan. And Gasket left the Machine Empire because he fell in love with Archerina.

[Jiemusu]

I think it's a touch more likely than most of the plots we've seen on PR.

Mondo once sent down a monster that made people fall in love with machines. If machines aren't capable of love, I doubt this would've beena viable plan. And Gasket left the Machine Empire because he fell in love with Archerina.

Well Archerina and Gasket could have been programmed to create artificial love.

But I just remembered, Louis Kaboom actually fell in love with Archerina. Nothing appeared to reprogram him.

Unless you could count that some kind of virus affected his programming, giving the cupid effect, creating artificial love that way.

It's strange. I mean logically it's not possible, but in-show reasons suggest it is in the PR universe.

Then again, considering alot of things in PR are drastically different to the real world (Kalishplosions, regenerating buildings, slack military etc) then I'm willing to disregard real-life reasons now, and say that machines can fall in love in PR. Thinking it over.

So, disregard my previous response.

[Durakken]

Couldn't one argue that the Z-wave also obliterated several others from other series like Big Bad BettleBorg Metallix, Super Human Samurai Cyber Squad, Masked Rider, VR Troopers, and NT: The Next Mutation.

[Jiemusu]

Masked Rider maybe, but not sure about the others since the universes aren't combined.

[Super Jeff]

Couldn't one argue that the Z-wave also obliterated several others from other series like Big Bad BettleBorg Metallix, Super Human Samurai Cyber Squad, Masked Rider, VR Troopers, and NT: The Next Mutation.

Maybe Ninja Turtles but Didn't they defeat their enemies already?

As for the rest besides Masked Rider everything else was a seperate universe.

[Question]

How do you know the universes aren't combined?

They might be. Bulk and Skull were reading a Beetleborgs comic in Turbo. And Masked Rider may not be a part of it, as Nadira was watching an episode of that show during PRTF.

[Razor]

Masked Rider maybe, but not sure about the others since the universes aren't combined.

Agreed. Since they never showed ALL PR allies, we may never know. It could be argued that something happened with all allies. But again, we may never know cause they didn't cut to them. We saw Phantom Ranger and Blue Senturion fighting on whatever planet they were on. When the Z wave hit, did Phantom Rangers' suit demorph, as the wave did to the rangers back on earth?

[Jiemusu]

How do you know the universes aren't combined?

They might be. Bulk and Skull were reading a Beetleborgs comic in Turbo. And Masked Rider may not be a part of it, as Nadira was watching an episode of that show during PRTF.

Beetleborgs being part of the PR universe because the Beetleborg comics existed in both shows? Really? It's not enough to go on though, it would be simply a baseless assumption.

And Masked Rider is part of the PR universe since he appeared within the MMPR continuity, which is in the same continuty as the rest of PR. Dex was also stated to be from Alpha's same home planet, that kind of connection didn't appear with PR or any other toku, it's a solid connection.

Reason for Nadira watching it on TV? Well maybe TV productions in the PR universe saw Dex's adventures on Earth and decided to make a toku on TV based off the real life events witnessed. Who knows? But Masked Rider is part of the MMPR continuity.

[Super Jeff]

Phantom Ranger did not demorph.

As for Masked Rider from what I have heard the show is not connected to Power Rangers but their is a masked rider in their universe because of the team up in MMPR.

The Turtles Have also Made crossover so they are considered apart of the universe also.

As for the Beetleborg Comic that was probably just an extra prop or something.

[Razor]

No, Jeff. What I mean is, did he de-morph off camera? The Space rangers were demorphed due to the Z wave. All footsoldiers were reduced to dust, so the way I see it, at the time that we this happening with the space rangers on earth, the same situation occured everywhere else that was affected by the Z wave. So theoretically, when the Z wave forced the rangers to demorph, then theoretically Phantom Ranger was forcibly demorphed as well.

[Super Jeff]

no he did not I just watched the scene.

[Razor]

I wonder what effect it had on Masked Rider, Ninjor, and Blue Senturion. Did BS shut down?

What about Auric? Anything happen to him? See this is why they should've answered all these questions instead of leaving loopholes.

[Super Jeff]

CTD was originally suppose to be a 3 parter and reveal who he was. but because of time restraints they couldn't.

However Judd Lynn wanted to reveal Phantom Ranger in Lost Galexy. But Tzachor refused to do that. So blame Tzachor for not revealing who he was.

[Jiemusu]

I wonder what effect it had on Masked Rider, Ninjor, and Blue Senturion. Did BS shut down?

What about Auric? Anything happen to him? See this is why they should've answered all these questions instead of leaving loopholes.

Auric was last seen in the Zeo/Alien teamup, was used to make peace with the Megazords... then was just scared off.

Now I'm presuming either Auric got scared off and left the Zeo Rangers, Trey took it back to Triforia with him, or Tanya (since it's actually hers) remains the owner.

[Razor]

Damn Tzachor :mad:

It would of also been nice to see if any of the former rangers were fighting in CTD (i.e. were Zack and Trini fighting? Was Aisha in Africa fighting? Were Billy and Cestria fighting back too?)

[Question]

Beetleborgs being part of the PR universe because the Beetleborg comics existed in both shows? Really? It's not enough to go on though, it would be simply a baseless assumption.

That's one point for them being in the same universe, and I'm not seeing any points against. That was my point; I don't really care whether or not they're in the same universe, I was just making a point.

[Jiemusu]

That's one point for them being in the same universe, and I'm not seeing any points against. That was my point; I don't really care whether or not they're in the same universe, I was just making a point.

Ah, that's alright then. I misunderstood, I thought you were trying to fight for it being right.

Disregard my post.

[Super Jeff]

Ah, that's alright then. I misunderstood, I thought you were trying to fight for it being right.

Disregard my post.

Stilled Rallyed up from Dark Wish, eh Jiemusu

[Razor]

Whoa, Jeff. I think that should be left in that thread.

[Super Jeff]

lol

my bad

[Razor]

It's all good, man. :)

[Durakken]

It might have been a prop laying around but really it doesn't quite matter as we are to assume that the creator is in both universes, and monsters with magical powers are common in both universes, it is theoretically probable that the Beetle Borgs exist in both universes. Further VRT and SHSCS could very likely also be in the universe and it could be argued that the reason they were able to discover morphing so easily is because of the morphing grid already existing and since both have to do with PCs and the machine empire did release a virus into the mainframe it could have created those 2 series.

Not saying it did, just that it's probable, especially with them all being created by the same comp0ay and knowing how they cross over their own works....and generally speaking that unless it is specifically stated by a universe creator the stories all are in the same universe even if they never cross over.

[Super Jeff]

It might have been a prop laying around but really it doesn't quite matter as we are to assume that the creator is in both universes, and monsters with magical powers are common in both universes, it is theoretically probable that the Beetle Borgs exist in both universes. Further VRT and SHSCS could very likely also be in the universe and it could be argued that the reason they were able to discover morphing so easily is because of the morphing grid already existing and since both have to do with PCs and the machine empire did release a virus into the mainframe it could have created those 2 series.

Not saying it did, just that it's probable, especially with them all being created by the same comp0ay and knowing how they cross over their own works....and generally speaking that unless it is specifically stated by a universe creator the stories all are in the same universe even if they never cross over.

They were also all produced by Saban and he could of had easily made them cross over anytime he wanted.

[Green Elephant]

SHSCS was a DIC production.

[Xerox]

I think the most logical answer here is the one that really requires no thinking. When I saw the episode, I assumed all the main villains were turned into humans not just because of their rank as the top villains but because they were of human form. Most monsters of the day (at least in MMPR) were created artificially to some extent, whereas Rita, Zedd, and Divatox, for as far as we know, were born naturally. (However naturally an alien can be born anyway, :D) The Machine Empire was reduced to dust for the very same reason, they weren't organic life forms.
While the theory of love might play into it, I think that might be over-thinking the episode a bit. After all, Rita and Zedd weren't truly in love if you think about it. (By coincidence, I'm watching MMPR on DVD and The Wedding episode just came on. How convenient!)

[TerryR]

I believe Squatt and Baboo were also spared because to me, they didn't really seem to be that evil and I always believed that Rita was just a bad influence on them and they both seemed to share quite a strong friendship.

[Hollaman]

I think that Rita, Zedd, Astronima, and Divatox were originally good and were turned evil one way or another. I always thought The Machine Empire were built for evil which was why they were destroyed even though they showed a capacity to love. Same with Ecliptor I guess.

I always thought that the VR Troopers and Beetleborgs were in the same universe of Power Rangers. Scott Page Pagter said that he always though Beetleborgs were in the same universe of Power Rangers. Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation is in the same universe because of the crossover. The show Masked Rider isn't in the same universe, but Dex, His Grandfather, Count Draggon and his lackys are. SHSC was made by a different company so it isn't in the same universe.

[Question]

I always liked the parallel that Rita, Zedd, and Divatox were put under the same spell that Rita put on Tommy in season one.

In my own mind, anyway, it made a kind of poetic justice or something.

[TiEl]

. Most monsters of the day (at least in MMPR) were created artificially to some extent, whereas Rita, Zedd, and Divatox, for as far as we know, were born naturally.
But Elgar was not "created artificially ", and he never was really evel, but he was destroed too:(
I think, That Z-Wave was mercy only for humans ( May by Lord Zedd fllwise was a human
in armour).

[Beta Ranger]

A theory has just occured to me, maybe Zedd and Rita were in love before they became evil (transformed by Master Vile perhaps?). If that was true perhaps they already had a family, and a son, who was turned evil like they were, thus the creation of thrax. Because he had been trapped by the Sentinal Knight the z-wave didn't effect him. Unlike his parents maybe he could remember a little of his humanoid life, but on a subconcious level perhaps they had some knowledge of it too. That would be why the love spell plot occured to Rita, why Zedd dressed Kim up as Rita to be his queen and why he actually fell in love with Rita after the love spell was broken.

As for the other series, I always saw VR Troopers, Beetleborgs and Masked Rider sharing the same continuity, evidence or not, but that is just my opinion.

[TerryR]

But Elgar was not "created artificially ", and he never was really evel, but he was destroed too:(
I think, That Z-Wave was mercy only for humans ( May by Lord Zedd fllwise was a human
in armour).

That does seem a bit unfair to non-human villains. Sounds like Zordon is a specieist. Just because a villain isn't human shouldn't mean they are truly evil. I never really thought of Squatt and Baboo as truly evil and am glad it wasn't shown what happened to them, I'd like them to have survived.

[Chris3123]

But Elgar was not "created artificially ", and he never was really evel, but he was destroed too:(


How exactly was Elgar not evil?


I think, That Z-Wave was mercy only for humans ( May by Lord Zedd fllwise was a human
in armour).

The Wave didn't exactly have "mercy" on anything. It just went after and destroyed evil, period.

That does seem a bit unfair to non-human villains.

The species is irrelevant. The wave went after evil, regardless of what form the evil takes.

Sounds like Zordon is a specieist. Just because a villain isn't human shouldn't mean they are truly evil.

Zordon would be a "speciest" if he felt that way, but since he didn't, he's not.



I never really thought of Squatt and Baboo as truly evil and am glad it wasn't shown what happened to them, I'd like them to have survived.

Squatt was there with everybody when the wave hit. He's gone. And there's no reason why Baboo wouldn't have been destroyed if he was there.

[TerryR]

[quote]The Wave didn't exactly have "mercy" on anything. It just went after and destroyed evil, period.[\quote]

Then how come Rita and Zedd survived?

[quote]Squatt was there with everybody when the wave hit. He's gone. And there's no reason why Baboo wouldn't have been destroyed if he was there.[\quote]

Squatt was there but was not shown during the wave scene. If Rita, Zedd and Divatox survived then why can't Squatt? He was far less evil than most of the other villains.

[greenrangerx]

I think it's because Rita, Zedd, and Divatox were all humanoid. Zedd may not look it now, but I seem to remember an episode where it was said that he looks the way he does because of a curse the Zeo crystal put on him when he tried to steal it.

[TerryR]

I think it's because Rita, Zedd, and Divatox were all humanoid. Zedd may not look it now, but I seem to remember an episode where it was said that he looks the way he does because of a curse the Zeo crystal put on him when he tried to steal it.

Just because they were humanoid shouldn't make them less evil than non human villains. The ones I mentioned in my previous posts are non-human and are probably the least evil out of all the villains put together.

[Chris3123]

The Wave didn't exactly have "mercy" on anything. It just went after and destroyed evil, period.

Then how come Rita and Zedd survived?

The same thing happened with Karone, and we know why she survived. Simple logic tells us that is the most likely reason Zedd, Rita, and Divatox survived.

Squatt was there with everybody when the wave hit. He's gone. And there's no reason why Baboo wouldn't have been destroyed if he was there.

Squatt was there but was not shown during the wave scene.

Neither were dozens of others monsters that were there. Does that mean none of them were destroyed either? Just because the camera didn't happen to catch them during that scene?

If Rita, Zedd and Divatox survived then why can't Squatt? He was far less evil than most of the other villains.

Unless the wave also made him invisible, Squatt was destroyed.

[GekiCosmic]

Well, I always figured Zedd & Rita were saved, because although they were aligned with evil, they still loved eachother. Sure, they bickered and fought and were at eachother's throats all the time, but so are my parents and they still love eachother ;)

And if Rita never truly loved Zedd, she probably would've left him after the Machine Empire invaded the Moon, once they weren't trying to destroy the Rangers.. and she certainly wouldn't have let him live with her at her father's place.

A theory has just occured to me, maybe Zedd and Rita were in love before they became evil (transformed by Master Vile perhaps?). If that was true perhaps they already had a family, and a son, who was turned evil like they were, thus the creation of thrax. Because he had been trapped by the Sentinal Knight the z-wave didn't effect him. Unlike his parents maybe he could remember a little of his humanoid life, but on a subconcious level perhaps they had some knowledge of it too. That would be why the love spell plot occured to Rita, why Zedd dressed Kim up as Rita to be his queen and why he actually fell in love with Rita after the love spell was broken.


You know, that makes a lot of sense, but I always figured Rita was pregnant with Thrax WHILE she was evil.. say...sometime around S3? I remember seeing an S3 episode and Rita was on Earth, in front of the Rangers.. to me it seemed like she was pregnant. Her belly seemed larger than usual and she didn't try attack the Rangers with magic (even though she was supposedly powerful enough to trap Zordon) and didn't move much at all. It seemed to me like she had to take it easy because of Little Thraxie inside her. I can't remember the episode, but I'll rewatch some episodes and try find out which one it is.

And as for Zedd's appearance, I am reminded of White Ranger's creation, and what Zordon had said.

Zordon: "Be careful, Alpha. A small mistake in the energy flow could spell disaster."

I think Zedd and Zordon were both Rangers at one point, and Zedd had become hungry for more power. I think Zedd had tried to morph into a more powerful form, but perhaps a combination of an erratic energy flow, and lack of precision and care morphed him into his circa MMPR form. I mean, he had a visor like a Ranger.. he had a rudimentary knowledge of the Morphing Grid..

Something to think about, I guess.

[Evil Green Ranger]

why dont we all try to track down the writers of the time and ask them, then forever the case would be closed ;) lol

I know there are some here with connections

[Beta Ranger]

And as for Zedd's appearance, I am reminded of White Ranger's creation, and what Zordon had said.

Zordon: "Be careful, Alpha. A small mistake in the energy flow could spell disaster."

I think Zedd and Zordon were both Rangers at one point, and Zedd had become hungry for more power. I think Zedd had tried to morph into a more powerful form, but perhaps a combination of an erratic energy flow, and lack of precision and care morphed him into his circa MMPR form. I mean, he had a visor like a Ranger.. he had a rudimentary knowledge of the Morphing Grid..

Something to think about, I guess.

What a great theory, that would sort of make him a bit like Jarrod, a corrupt good guy that the wave redeemed. Maybe Zordon advised against it, or maybe they shared a mentor and Zordon told the mentor what was happening, forcing Zedd to use the power before he could really control it. That would be why Zedd hates Zordon, he blamed him for it going wrong.

[TerryR]

What a great theory, that would sort of make him a bit like Jarrod, a corrupt good guy that the wave redeemed. Maybe Zordon advised against it, or maybe they shared a mentor and Zordon told the mentor what was happening, forcing Zedd to use the power before he could really control it. That would be why Zedd hates Zordon, he blamed him for it going wrong.

So why did Divatox survive? And don't say because she's human.

I also just had a thought. I doubt that Rita and Zedd would agree with a "No joy and no happiness" rule like what Asrtronema describes to her troops. A lot of villains would probably think that Astronema was trying to turn them into miserable drones and her extremist views may turn some of them against the alliance altogether.

[Beta Ranger]

So why did Divatox survive? And don't say because she's human.

I also just had a thought. I doubt that Rita and Zedd would agree with a "No joy and no happiness" rule like what Asrtronema describes to her troops. A lot of villains would probably think that Astronema was trying to turn them into miserable drones and her extremist views may turn some of them against the alliance altogether.

Divatox may have survived because of the fact that she was the sister of Dimitria. (Yes I know we don't know that for sure, but it was heavily hinted) She was lost to the darkness at a young age, but somewhere deep inside her heart was still pure, like Astronama.

I must have missed the no joy, no happiness bit, I agree that would eventually lead to her forces rebelling against her. Once Dark Spector was out the way she would have quickly lost control, and Zordon's sacrifice would not have been needed.

[PRangerX]

Well another theory is that Zordon figured the best way to nuetralize the evil was to turn them good. So Zedd, Rita, and Divatox were turned into regular humans.

Personally, I've always liked to beleive that they were kidnapped like Astronoma and raised to be evil. Or something simlar. At least for Rita and Divatox. I see Zedd has been a former friend of Zordon that went bad. Rita ends up becoming Mystic Mother. So I assume she may have been the true heir to the former Mystic Mother. Perhaps the former Mystic Mother fail in love with Vile. With Master Vile stealing her to raise the child in the ways of evil.

[TerryR]

Divatox may have survived because of the fact that she was the sister of Dimitria. (Yes I know we don't know that for sure, but it was heavily hinted) She was lost to the darkness at a young age, but somewhere deep inside her heart was still pure, like Astronama.

I must have missed the no joy, no happiness bit, I agree that would eventually lead to her forces rebelling against her. Once Dark Spector was out the way she would have quickly lost control, and Zordon's sacrifice would not have been needed.

There is a bit where Astronema speaks to her Quadrons (I think thats what they're called. She says there will be no happiness and no joy and tells them to destroy the forces of goodness. Rita/Zedd and their affiliated minions are probably the happiest of all the villains as evidently shown in "The Wedding" and would most likely disagree with some of the things she says.

[TerryR]

Divatox may have survived because of the fact that she was the sister of Dimitria. (Yes I know we don't know that for sure, but it was heavily hinted) She was lost to the darkness at a young age, but somewhere deep inside her heart was still pure, like Astronema.


Is it also possible that this could also be true for some non-human villains? Some of them probably do have some good in them beneath the evil and something in the past caused them to go evil or something. Certain villains that weren't shown during the wave scene and indeed those what didn't appear in the episode at all, there are a number of villains I can name what I believe are not truly evil and maybe like Rita and Zedd were spared although would have kept their normal forms.