Gold Ranger Observation

[Jiemusu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60jmdQVjgVg&feature=related

0:11.

Jason holds his Golden Power Staff before morphing.

Jason DOES summon his Golden Power Staff and uses it to morph.

Seems obvious, but some people claim that the staff is just an energy source, and that Jason doesn't use it directly to morph... only harnesses the energy from it.

Just thought I'd link it so people could observe, and use it to mould their decisions.

[Fire Wolf Ranger]

Thats acually the key to activate Auric the Conqueror also known in Ohranger as Gunmajin.If you look at the picture here http://www.supersentai.com/database/1995_ohranger/allies.html you can see the key that Jason is holding.

[Jiemusu]

Thats acually the key to activate Auric the Conqueror also known in Ohranger as Gunmajin.If you look at the picture here http://www.supersentai.com/database/1995_ohranger/allies.html you can see the key that Jason is holding.

The key to active Auric, in the picture, is almost pure gold, where as the item Jason is holding contains black and gold (like the Power Staff).

However, it could be a recolouring, I'll need to go back and check full episodes since this is only a clip.

If it is the key, the episode is most likely "The Lore of Auric" since that is the episode, I believe, where Jason was in pocession of the key before he morphed. In which case it probably just is a recolouring.

EDIT: You're right. It's too short to be the staff, it's the same shape as the key. Just a recolouring, or Jason's hand is simply blocking enough light to create the illusion of black.

Still, for the time being it was a potentially interesting observation. =[ lol

[Legendary.]

We could still keep the conversation going though.

When Trey morphed was he holding the staff?

[Fire Wolf Ranger]

A recoloring or an odd camera effect.We never seen Trey morph.

[Question]

All that proves is he did it at least once.

It's like saying the MMPR didn't need a power coin to morph because of the times Kim did it while Zedd had her coin. One instance doesn't prove the point.

edit: Or I could have read the entire thread and saw someone else had already pointed out that it was the key for Auric. My bad.

[Evil Green Ranger]

These are things we will never know, we know jason/ Gold ranger needed the staff numourus occasions, but just like the zeonizers open when the 5 zeo rangers morphed, the staff opens as well, it's something to think about

Same thing goes, why do the "special" rangers of a season even though they don't share a power sorce have the themes in commen, forgetting sentai here...because think about it, Gold ranger probably had his powers long before the zeo crystal was taken out of the caves of deception, so as he shows up in power rangers, he just happens to look like a zeo ranger, and sports there design (the star the equal sign all that) and the phantom ranger just happens to look like a motorcycle rider? sort of fitting with the whole turbo thing, along with blue sentorian...just stuff to think about

but I doubt anyone will know where i'm coming from on this lol..my thoughts are usualy to random for people to understand lol

[grayguardianranger]

No I see where you're coming from. That is curious.

[GoldZeoRanger]

Yeah i know! Its like Trey, the Phantom Ranger all showed up at the right place at the right time. The Phantom Ranger doesn't show up when the rangers are using zeonizers but yet he shows up when the rangers shift into turbo. Trey never makes another appearance on Earth during the Turbo season. My theory is that Trey knows whats happening on Earth through Triforia and he can monitor the rangers from there as well. SO when the rangers happened to have gotten the zeo crystals to become the zeo rangers, it was fitting for Trey to make his way to Earth and help the rangers since his powers now resembled theres. Same goes for the Phantom. He probably knew that the Turbo rangers needed help from Eltar, maybe Zordon told him that the rangers are now utilizing the powers of turbo, and thus, the Phantom saw it the perfect time to aid the rangers since his powers now matched the rangers. Keep in mind, this was probably when Eltar was still peaceful before Dark Spector invaded it and captured Zordon.

[Evil Green Ranger]

Yeah i know! Its like Trey, the Phantom Ranger all showed up at the right place at the right time. The Phantom Ranger doesn't show up when the rangers are using zeonizers but yet he shows up when the rangers shift into turbo. Trey never makes another appearance on Earth during the Turbo season. My theory is that Trey knows whats happening on Earth through Triforia and he can monitor the rangers from there as well. SO when the rangers happened to have gotten the zeo crystals to become the zeo rangers, it was fitting for Trey to make his way to Earth and help the rangers since his powers now resembled theres. Same goes for the Phantom. He probably knew that the Turbo rangers needed help from Eltar, maybe Zordon told him that the rangers are now utilizing the powers of turbo, and thus, the Phantom saw it the perfect time to aid the rangers since his powers now matched the rangers. Keep in mind, this was probably when Eltar was still peaceful before Dark Spector invaded it and captured Zordon.

A theory most well put, reason why (And I hope I don't go off to much on this and people are like wtf lol) but as you state they can "tell" when the rangers are using a similer power, as we've found out in power rangers
the power, wave lengths w/e are very important to how the power is maintained...maybe they "need" to be similer to not interupt or disturbe the morphing grid? which is why Zordon chose the Alien rangers...when it is probably true that he had other allies in other places after space though,
I assume we have to stop taking that in to consideration..as cannon is a little bit more dispursed?

[Jiemusu]

Basically, my theory is that the alliance of good in ancient times (10,000 years+ before MMPR1) consisted of Zordon and a loyal brotherhood of warriors against the ultimate alliance of evil such as Vile, Machine Empire, Zedd etc etc headed by Dark Spectre.

Zordon was aware of pretty much each "active Power Ranger" source at the time. This basically implies that each working morpher was known by Zordon. Space Ranger morphers, probably used by a previous team lead by Andros and/or Zhane and known by Zordon; Turbo morphers, laid dormant for when they would become necessary and known by Zordon; Zeo morphers, activated with the Zeo Crystal when new powers were needed, known by Zordon; Galaxy morphers, known by Zordon; MMPR morphers, known by Zordon and used as the active team until Zeo and Turbo replaced them.

Zordon knows each of the current and present working morphers at the time, as well as present power sources that would take effect later as morphers in the future, Zordon can somewhat predict the future, especially concerning Ranger morphers and power sources.

Anyway, I digress, my main point is that Zordon had a brotherhood of loyal and strong warriors in ancient times. With predicting the future of Ranger morphers from present day active power sources, Zordon's brotherhood was somewhat based on each of these sources. Each warrior would be based on each power source, as such.

Ninjor, for example, would be based around the MMPR powers (even creating them).
Magna Defender, for example, would be based around the Galaxy powers.
Trey, for example, would be based around the Zeo powers.
Phantom Ranger, for example, would be based around the Turbo powers.
Masked Rider, who really knows, maybe there are exceptions.

They AREN'T the same as the other source, but somewhat either compatable or linked to them on some level so that they could be passed off as a 6th Ranger.

The likely reason for this is so each ally could later help their particular related team in the future. Perhaps it's not a coincidence or a plotdevice, maybe it's all planned out within the sacred brotherhood.

[Razor]

I agree with you there, Jiemusu. I mean, after all Zordon was a wizard, so maybe had powers of prophecy.

He, or one of his allies may have even created the Samurai amulet.

One of his allies may have created the swords that were in the stone on Mirinoi.

I think it may have been Zordon himself who created the Morphing Grid.

I also believe that he had some hand in the Zeo Crystals and may have known about the Master from Mystic Force.

[GoldZeoRanger]

Jiemusu I agree with you as well.

But for Trey of Triforia, I think Zordon knew Trey's royal ancestors. If I can remember, although I could be wrong, Zordon nor Alpha knew the identity of the Gold Ranger during Zeo. I think they had a hunch it was Billy but the Aquitar rangers revealed Trey to be the Gold Ranger. However, they may have known that a Triforian was wielding its powers but just didn't know the identity.

So to add to your theory, I think Zordon knew of the Golden Zeo Powers already but during Zordon's band of warriors, maybe the Gold Ranger of his time was NOT Trey but Trey's ancestor who was at that time Lord of Triforia. Because the way I see it the Golden powers are basically a set will for the royal blood line of Triforia. So when Trey is no longer is able to carry on as Gold Ranger, he'll pass it to his son.

[Jiemusu]

Jiemusu I agree with you as well.

But for Trey of Triforia, I think Zordon knew Trey's royal ancestors. If I can remember, although I could be wrong, Zordon nor Alpha knew the identity of the Gold Ranger during Zeo. I think they had a hunch it was Billy but the Aquitar rangers revealed Trey to be the Gold Ranger. However, they may have known that a Triforian was wielding its powers but just didn't know the identity.

So to add to your theory, I think Zordon knew of the Golden Zeo Powers already but during Zordon's band of warriors, maybe the Gold Ranger of his time was NOT Trey but Trey's ancestor who was at that time Lord of Triforia. Because the way I see it the Golden powers are basically a set will for the royal blood line of Triforia. So when Trey is no longer is able to carry on as Gold Ranger, he'll pass it to his son.

I'm in complete agreement.

I mean I didn't necessarly set in stone that Trey was part of a brotherhood, I mostly used it as a loose example to roughly illustrate what I was trying to symbolize, concerning allies being based around each group power.

But yeah, if not Trey, then Trey's ancestor. Either way, he was probably aware of the power.

Also, just to stir up something, maybe Zordon appointed Tommy as leader as White Ranger because he knew Jason was going to a Peace Conference. Also maybe Zordon didn't just replace Jason and forget about his loyal services, maybe Zordon planned on Jason getting the power because he knew the events concerning Trey would follow, maybe he was the one that hinted the idea to Tommy off-camera? Maybe Jason was the sort of "ally" of the brotherhood linked to the zeo powers (or TO BE linked to the zeo powers) due to proving himself as the leader and powerful assistance as the Red Ranger. At this point, I'm just going on a tangent with something that can't be proven, but it's just an idea.

[King]

People give Zordon waaaaayyyy to much credit lol

[Jiemusu]

People give Zordon waaaaayyyy to much credit lol

Probably lol, but I personally believe he was so much more as an entity than what we see on the show. I believe he was far less restricted before being confined to that tube.

[Razor]

Exactly. I doubt he followed Rita's whiny behind since he was born.

I believe he was a world traveler and a universe traveler, otherwise how could he know about every single person, place and situation that came at the Rangers once he was in that tube?

[Question]

Also, just to stir up something, maybe Zordon appointed Tommy as leader as White Ranger because he knew Jason was going to a Peace Conference.

My theory has always been that Zordon made Tommy leader because during his time with Rita, Tommy gained an insider's knowledge of all her tactics and potential strategies and, by extension, Zedd's as well. He couldn't be leader as the Green Ranger because both the others would have resented a former villain leading them, and because he felt guilty after his villainy. By the time Zordon needed a White Ranger, Tommy was comfortable with his past (or at least dealing with it in a more healthy manner), and he'd become good friends with the team he'd be leading. An inside knowledge of the villain's potential strategies may have been why Tommy took point so often during that era; because he just knew better than anyone else what Zedd and Rita were up to.

[Razor]

My theory has always been that Zordon made Tommy leader because during his time with Rita, Tommy gained an insider's knowledge of all her tactics and potential strategies and, by extension, Zedd's as well. He couldn't be leader as the Green Ranger because both the others would have resented a former villain leading them, and because he felt guilty after his villainy. By the time Zordon needed a White Ranger, Tommy was comfortable with his past (or at least dealing with it in a more healthy manner), and he'd become good friends with the team he'd be leading. An inside knowledge of the villain's potential strategies may have been why Tommy took point so often during that era; because he just knew better than anyone else what Zedd and Rita were up to.

You make a good point, Question. That makes a lot of sense, actually.

[Jiemusu]

Exactly. I doubt he followed Rita's whiny behind since he was born.

I believe he was a world traveler and a universe traveler, otherwise how could he know about every single person, place and situation that came at the Rangers once he was in that tube?

That's pretty much my view. While in the tube, Zordon sort of HAS to be given too much credit to even be considered of any use, since he's just a head in a jar at that point, and doesn't... do anything.

YET we know that he has insight knowledge and allies across the universe of before he was trapped in the tube. Our judgements of Zordon cannot solely depend on what he was like in that tube.

My theory has always been that Zordon made Tommy leader because during his time with Rita, Tommy gained an insider's knowledge of all her tactics and potential strategies and, by extension, Zedd's as well. He couldn't be leader as the Green Ranger because both the others would have resented a former villain leading them, and because he felt guilty after his villainy. By the time Zordon needed a White Ranger, Tommy was comfortable with his past (or at least dealing with it in a more healthy manner), and he'd become good friends with the team he'd be leading. An inside knowledge of the villain's potential strategies may have been why Tommy took point so often during that era; because he just knew better than anyone else what Zedd and Rita were up to.

Actually. This post made me think, A LOT.

I still think he can be overhyped, but I'm seeing Tommy and the decisions of Zordon to make him a leader somewhat differently.

While I do think that the reasons you're saying are good reasons to keep Tommy on the team due to his valuable presence of having that insight knowledge (with having to be White instead of Green, I guess it's ok), personally don't think the reasons you're saying is enough to outrank someone who served Zordon to great loyalty since the moment he first saw him (Jason). And considering Tommy's attitudes to his Ranger duties, and his prioritizing (being forgetful etc, turning up late), I don't think he was qualified as a person through his characteristics to lead at all. Of course, that was before White Light randomly changed his personality.

While your post explains a lot, don't take this the wrong way (since the paragraph and reasons you posted are magnificant in explaining Tommy's role within the team and why to keep him around), I feel something MORE was needed to truthfully appoint Tommy the specific role as "leader" while Jason was still there. Don't get me wrong, I just feel it somehow needs more.

Rather than being forced to blame it on redubbing. Jason training his equal (Tommy) to be the next leader (since Jason knew that he wouldn't lead forever, and someone similar to himself would be a way for Jason's character to still "sort" of lead even when he is gone), and Zordon was aware of this, as well as being proud enough of Jason to consider him a great ally (since Jason pretty much acted as Zordon's loyal soldier and did pretty much all his bidding without any guidelines, and even TRAINED Tommy himself) to present him the Gold Ranger power in the future. Otherwise it seems insane to just outcast Jason like that.

At least, that's just how I choose to view it, others may differ.

Don't get me wrong though, I DO agree with what you're saying in a way, I'm just adding to it.

[Razor]

That's pretty much my view. While in the tube, Zordon sort of HAS to be given too much credit to even be considered of any use, since he's just a head in a jar at that point, and doesn't... do anything.

I don't know about not doing anything? As I recall, from inside his tube, he sent electricity (or whatever that was) to Tommy to power him back up again so he could help fight..whoever the rangers were fighting in that episode. Zordon virtually could do nothing, that's why Alpha existed I think.

It was Alpha who teleported the teens, it was Alpha who pressed a button to contain the evil Green Ranger when he got inside the Command Center and it was Alpha that did all the little things that Zordon couldn't do.

"Increase the power to this, try to stabilize that." etc, etc. You know what I'm saying.

But every now and then, Zordon was able to do something important. He just needed Alpha for everything else. Other than the little he did, he was basically a floating encyclopedia of everything in the universe.

[Question]

Actually. This post made me think, A LOT.

I still think he can be overhyped, but I'm seeing Tommy and the decisions of Zordon to make him a leader somewhat differently.

I still think he's overhyped, even if I like those reasons. *shrug*

While I do think that the reasons you're saying are good reasons to keep Tommy on the team due to his valuable presence of having that insight knowledge (with having to be White instead of Green, I guess it's ok), personally don't think the reasons you're saying is enough to outrank someone who served Zordon to great loyalty since the moment he first saw him (Jason). And considering Tommy's attitudes to his Ranger duties, and his prioritizing (being forgetful etc, turning up late), I don't think he was qualified as a person through his characteristics to lead at all. Of course, that was before White Light randomly changed his personality.

I don't know how random White Light was. Tommy was out of Angel Grove, up at his uncle's cabin. Maybe all he needed was time away from evil to get some perspective, something he wouldn't have been able to do with his communicator going off every four seconds.

While your post explains a lot, don't take this the wrong way (since the paragraph and reasons you posted are magnificant in explaining Tommy's role within the team and why to keep him around),

Thanks! :)

I feel something MORE was needed to truthfully appoint Tommy the specific role as "leader" while Jason was still there. Don't get me wrong, I just feel it somehow needs more.

Rather than being forced to blame it on redubbing. Jason training his equal (Tommy) to be the next leader (since Jason knew that he wouldn't lead forever, and someone similar to himself would be a way for Jason's character to still "sort" of lead even when he is gone), and Zordon was aware of this, as well as being proud enough of Jason to consider him a great ally (since Jason pretty much acted as Zordon's loyal soldier and did pretty much all his bidding without any guidelines, and even TRAINED Tommy himself) to present him the Gold Ranger power in the future. Otherwise it seems insane to just outcast Jason like that.

Maybe that bolded part was part of the reason why. Jason was the loyal soldier who followed orders without question, but Tommy was the one who had the potential to give orders and one day rise to become a Zordon-esque mentor. All he needed was to get over the guilt he held when he wore green to realize his true potential.

Zordon had to know the enemy was gunning for him. He had a whole team of soldiers at his disposal. Losing Jason, while tragic, wouldn't hurt too much because soldiers are, by their very nature, replaceable. But Tommy's potential to one day take over Zordon's role in the battle against evil was something rarer that Zordon wanted to take advantage of, just in case. Zordon loved contingency plans.

In this post, I ignore my usual claim that Zordon was evil. Unless Tommy never really got over Rita's spell.

[Jiemusu]

Maybe that bolded part was part of the reason why. Jason was the loyal soldier who followed orders without question, but Tommy was the one who had the potential to give orders and one day rise to become a Zordon-esque mentor. All he needed was to get over the guilt he held when he wore green to realize his true potential.

To be fair, Tommy did the same thing. He followed Zordon too, he didn't take matters into his own hands and still followed Zordon's orders.

And while it could be said that Tommy sometimes had the courage to step up and recommend action before Zordon gave the order, Jason also seemed to do the same.

Tommy gave orders and Jason gave orders, and they both followed Zordon's orders.

Although the observation I can see in terms of the difference between the two is that Jason was more into team building or individually boosting each member up, treating them as an equal or friend at times, rather than letting it go to his head too much. I've also noticed that the team was so well trained under Jason that the team managed to, although at a huge disadvantage without Jason, managed to keep the fight going without their leader. This tells me that because Jason respected them as equals, they had a higher self-esteem with more confidence.

With Tommy, at least from my perspective, he wasn't into individual team member boosting. It was pretty much "Right, I'm the leader, what I say goes, you are my goons". He didn't treat them as equals, he didn't hold back to boost them up, he wanted the glory too much, to the point where his duties to train his team became clouded for the desire for the spotlight. Tommy didn't really train them, he just treated them like nameless soldiers at times. Also, what I noticed is that when the team was leaderless without Tommy, they did tend to run around like headless chickens. This, IMO, is due to Tommy not individually boosting or training their self confidence and self esteem, he didn't respect them as equals, thus they didn't have the esteem to act individually without help.

Jason trained them so that they learnt to act individually, so that they could still be confident without Jason there. In my eyes, that counts towards a better leadership.

That's why, at least in my view, Jason was somewhat responsible for the decision to push Tommy forward in his actions to train Tommy from the start to take his place. Since most Tommy fans tend to dismiss the factor of Jason being the one who, debatably, MADE Tommy who he was, through individual moulding. Something I didn't really see Tommy do to anyone else.

I'm probably rambing off topic now, so I'll move on.

Zordon had to know the enemy was gunning for him. He had a whole team of soldiers at his disposal. Losing Jason, while tragic, wouldn't hurt too much because soldiers are, by their very nature, replaceable. But Tommy's potential to one day take over Zordon's role in the battle against evil was something rarer that Zordon wanted to take advantage of, just in case. Zordon loved contingency plans.

I believe it makes sense that Zordon originally intended Tommy as the leader. I mean in my eyes, certain evidence (such as the movie-verse, Ninjor's Ninjazords, and Wild West Rangers) indicated that Zordon originally wanted Rocky, Adam and Aisha to enroll as the original Rangers (although being seperate from the others, the timeline somehow taking a tangent involving the trio going to Stone Canyon instead) and for Tommy to lead as the White Ranger (although he had to make compromises due to Rita activating the Dragon coin already for Tommy's use, but later fixed it with the Tiger coin).

Personally I believe Jason was a better leader in my eyes, but I believe the original plan was probably to make Tommy leader, but due to the tangent in the timeline taking an unexpected turn such as Tommy not being in Angel Grove as early as Zordon wanted, and with the confident individual of Jason present, Zordon held the creation of the Tiger coin back and made Jason the leader instead.

It probably adds to the reason why Zordon "appeared" to exploit, demote them dismiss Jason in White Light and after until Power Transfer (ignoring external reasons out the show). HOWEVER due to the great service Jason did, Zordon gave him the trusted role as the Gold Ranger.

Again, these are but theories.

[Question]

To be fair, Tommy did the same thing. He followed Zordon too, he didn't take matters into his own hands and still followed Zordon's orders.

And while it could be said that Tommy sometimes had the courage to step up and recommend action before Zordon gave the order, Jason also seemed to do the same.

Tommy gave orders and Jason gave orders, and they both followed Zordon's orders.

Well, yeah, Zordon was unequivocally the leader of the MMPR-PRZ. And it's not like Tommy was completely autonomous; he was still learning to be the new Zordon. I can't see Jason having worked in Tommy's DT role.

Although the observation I can see in terms of the difference between the two is that Jason was more into team building or individually boosting each member up, treating them as an equal or friend at times, rather than letting it go to his head too much. I've also noticed that the team was so well trained under Jason that the team managed to, although at a huge disadvantage without Jason, managed to keep the fight going without their leader. This tells me that because Jason respected them as equals, they had a higher self-esteem with more confidence.

But what it says to me is that Jason wasn't all that different from the others. He was one of them; a fellow soldier, not a general like Tommy became.

With Tommy, at least from my perspective, he wasn't into individual team member boosting. It was pretty much "Right, I'm the leader, what I say goes, you are my goons". He didn't treat them as equals, he didn't hold back to boost them up, he wanted the glory too much, to the point where his duties to train his team became clouded for the desire for the spotlight.

It wasn't for the spotlight or glory; it was because he knew better than any of them what the villains were thinking. He took the brunt of the attacks because he knew how to respond, had the better powers, and didn't want his team to do anything he wouldn't first do himself.

IMO, anyway.

Tommy didn't really train them, he just treated them like nameless soldiers at times. Also, what I noticed is that when the team was leaderless without Tommy, they did tend to run around like headless chickens. This, IMO, is due to Tommy not individually boosting or training their self confidence and self esteem, he didn't respect them as equals, thus they didn't have the esteem to act individually without help.

Didn't respect them? Of course he respected them. Just because he was willing to take the more powerful attacks, risk himself for his friends, doesn't mean he doesn't respect his team. He was their leader, and he wouldn't ask his team to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

And I think the team's actions while Tommy's not around says more about them than it does about Tommy.

Jason trained them so that they learnt to act individually, so that they could still be confident without Jason there. In my eyes, that counts towards a better leadership.

I don't remember him ever training any fellow Ranger who wasn't Billy.

That's why, at least in my view, Jason was somewhat responsible for the decision to push Tommy forward in his actions to train Tommy from the start to take his place. Since most Tommy fans tend to dismiss the factor of Jason being the one who, debatably, MADE Tommy who he was, through individual moulding. Something I didn't really see Tommy do to anyone else.

I didn't even see Jason doing that for Tommy. They sparred, sure, but when did Jason ever train him?

I believe it makes sense that Zordon originally intended Tommy as the leader. I mean in my eyes, certain evidence (such as the movie-verse, Ninjor's Ninjazords, and Wild West Rangers) indicated that Zordon originally wanted Rocky, Adam and Aisha to enroll as the original Rangers (although being seperate from the others, the timeline somehow taking a tangent involving the trio going to Stone Canyon instead) and for Tommy to lead as the White Ranger (although he had to make compromises due to Rita activating the Dragon coin already for Tommy's use, but later fixed it with the Tiger coin).

This implies a lot of foresight on Zordon's part, which I don't recall him ever displaying onscreen. I don't think he was planning for Tommy to be the White Ranger, as he was happy about the "prophecy finally being complete" after Tommy joined the team as the Green Ranger.

Wild West Rangers is often cited as evidence of Zordon intending to pick Rocky, Adam, and Aisha from the get-go, but I never bought it. If he really wanted them above all others, why not teleport them from Stone Canyon? The Command Center was capable of teleporting across interstellar distances (Aquitar to Earth, Earth to Edenoi and back, the deserted planet with the Sword of Light, and probably others); why not just teleport Rocky, Adam, and Aisha from Stone Canyon?

Personally I believe Jason was a better leader in my eyes, but I believe the original plan was probably to make Tommy leader, but due to the tangent in the timeline taking an unexpected turn such as Tommy not being in Angel Grove as early as Zordon wanted, and with the confident individual of Jason present, Zordon held the creation of the Tiger coin back and made Jason the leader instead.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I'm a fan of the leader being somehow above the others; it's why he's the leader, after all.

It probably adds to the reason why Zordon "appeared" to exploit, demote them dismiss Jason in White Light and after until Power Transfer (ignoring external reasons out the show). HOWEVER due to the great service Jason did, Zordon gave him the trusted role as the Gold Ranger.

Zordon didn't choose Jason to be the Gold Ranger. Tommy did. I'm not even sure Zordon knew who Tommy was bringing to the Power Chamber. This only adds to my theory of Zordon wanting Tommy to be his heir.

Heck, that'd be an awesome fanfic. Zordon's backstory, mirroring Tommy's own. Enspelled to work for Dark Spector, guilty for a while, and then he becomes the Tommy of ten thousand years ago.

[Jiemusu]

Well, yeah, Zordon was unequivocally the leader of the MMPR-PRZ. And it's not like Tommy was completely autonomous; he was still learning to be the new Zordon. I can't see Jason having worked in Tommy's DT role.

I somewhat see the reasoning behind Jason not being suited to a mentor role. And when I say mentor, I don't mean a martial arts instructor, I mean as a somewhat "wise" being that uses his head before his muscles. Jason is more suited as a leader, directly in battle, then a mentor figure off the site. To guide them along the way, Jason really needs to be there in the field. And concerning his role off site, unless it was for extra training, I can't see it, so I can understand what you mean.

But what it says to me is that Jason wasn't all that different from the others. He was one of them; a fellow soldier, not a general like Tommy became.

Fellow soldier seems a bit harsh, Jason was more than that. Quite possibly a sergant or liutenant. Squad leader.

Considering Tommy as a general for a second, he spent too much time on the field as the leader. Being a general would consist of a more passive role off the field. Deciding the cause of action without getting his hands dirty.

I mean consider it in the style of good old Warhammer, 40K just to be awesome.

2 HQ (Zordon, Tommy)
1 Tactical troop set (Jason - Sergant, Zack - Heavy, Billy - Apothecary, Trini - Quick Attack, Kim - Whiny Bitch)

Basically. The tactical troops always fight and the HQ take a more reserved role, and only appear when it's a much needed assault.

Seems more logical to me.

It wasn't for the spotlight or glory; it was because he knew better than any of them what the villains were thinking. He took the brunt of the attacks because he knew how to respond, had the better powers, and didn't want his team to do anything he wouldn't first do himself.

IMO, anyway.

That's cool, but I felt it went to his head an awful lot. He could have taken a back seat, since it's not like his knowledge and experience was absolutely necessary for every single scenario.

Didn't respect them? Of course he respected them. Just because he was willing to take the more powerful attacks, risk himself for his friends, doesn't mean he doesn't respect his team. He was their leader, and he wouldn't ask his team to do anything he wouldn't do himself.

He didn't really respect them as equals though. But maybe because he had the stronger powers. Who knows. I just felt that the team appeared to have more self confidence when Jason acted as field leader.

And I think the team's actions while Tommy's not around says more about them than it does about Tommy.

Probably, but then it doesn't explain Kim and Billy since they would keep their personalities (if not IMPROVE) from the previous set up in MMPR1/2, unless it was affected by the leadership.

I don't remember him ever training any fellow Ranger who wasn't Billy.

Well I counted Zack mainly. But when I say training, maybe I'm using the wrong wording. He boosted them up by treating them more like close friends, and using their attributes to their advantage. Or at least that's how I viewed it.

I didn't even see Jason doing that for Tommy. They sparred, sure, but when did Jason ever train him?

Well the first time we see Tommy, he is very much like Jason. It seemed as if Jason saw himself WITHIN Tommy. Over time, it was like Tommy developed into Jason's Psuedo-Brother. The two even referring to each other as bro. And with Jason being the established leader (and the fact that Tommy showed signs now and then of resenting Jason as his superior, wanting equal status), it seemed Jason was more of the 'older brother' in the fake sibling relationship.

Again, training is probably the wrong term to use, but I think Jason was moulding Tommy through tough love.

This implies a lot of foresight on Zordon's part, which I don't recall him ever displaying onscreen. I don't think he was planning for Tommy to be the White Ranger, as he was happy about the "prophecy finally being complete" after Tommy joined the team as the Green Ranger.

He did seem pretty keen to speed up the process of getting Tommy in that costume though. And in terms of Zords that follow later in MMPR3, it seemed that the 'team' itself that Ninjor created and that Zordon first formed in MMPR1 was originally intended to have a White Ranger at some point, and that the Green Ranger was probably a prototype coin that wasn't planned on being a long term thing.

Wild West Rangers is often cited as evidence of Zordon intending to pick Rocky, Adam, and Aisha from the get-go, but I never bought it. If he really wanted them above all others, why not teleport them from Stone Canyon? The Command Center was capable of teleporting across interstellar distances (Aquitar to Earth, Earth to Edenoi and back, the deserted planet with the Sword of Light, and probably others); why not just teleport Rocky, Adam, and Aisha from Stone Canyon?

I guess he wanted the Rangers to have an already established connection at the same school. And to have 2 Rangers from one school, and 3 from a rival school, would be difficult if not critical for the team's status.

The schools were rival schools. Gotta admit, might be tricky.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I'm a fan of the leader being somehow above the others; it's why he's the leader, after all.

Oh yeah sure. I mean I'm enjoying this conversation. I'm not treating it like an argument, I'm treating it as a detailed discussion. You're an intelligent member and you're posting alot of good stuff, it's great to read. Personally I like the distribution of the roles, like the absolute highest shouldn't be with the team always, SPD (with the Shadow Ranger) is a fine example of what I'm illustrating, with Jack being the field leader. But each to their own. :)

Zordon didn't choose Jason to be the Gold Ranger. Tommy did. I'm not even sure Zordon knew who Tommy was bringing to the Power Chamber. This only adds to my theory of Zordon wanting Tommy to be his heir.

Heck, that'd be an awesome fanfic. Zordon's backstory, mirroring Tommy's own. Enspelled to work for Dark Spector, guilty for a while, and then he becomes the Tommy of ten thousand years ago.

Beats me, maybe Zordon hinted it off camera, then again I'm pulling that out of my arse to be honest. Maybe Zordon didn't suggest it, but already knew Tommy would say it. Beats me, like I said it's just a theory.

A prequel of Zordon being the "lone new kid" eventually rising up the ranks to be respected by almost the entire universe would be an interesting fic. We need an insight into his past.

[Green Elephant]

Jiemisu, in Zyuranger Geki (MM Red) and Burai (MM Green) WERE brothers.

Question, the reason Zordon did not pick Rocky, Adam and Aisha originally was because since they were in Stone Canyon and not Angel Grove with the others, the group would have had two separate new factions, which as a unit, would never work.

Either they all (maybe one outcast) have to be a group (at least knowing each other) beforehand (MMPR 1, LG, WF, TF, MF), they all must be strangers (LR, OO), or one of the two factions is more experienced than the other already (SPD, JF, NS post-Thunder debut) and unconsciously takes charge.

[Jiemusu]

Jiemisu, in Zyuranger Geki (MM Red) and Burai (MM Green) WERE brothers.

Yeah, so? Everyone already knows that.

Zyuranger and MMPR are completely different shows. Not to be confused with.

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Fellow soldier seems a bit harsh, Jason was more than that. Quite possibly a sergant or liutenant. Squad leader.

There's nothing wrong with being a fellow soldier; I didn't mean it to be harsh. But, like you said, he was closer to his team than Tommy was to his.

Considering Tommy as a general for a second, he spent too much time on the field as the leader. Being a general would consist of a more passive role off the field. Deciding the cause of action without getting his hands dirty.

It's not unheard of for generals to lead a squad into battle.

To be fair, I was originally going to make a reference to Star Trek's command structure, with Tommy being the captain who's at a remove from his crew and Jason being the first officer, who bridges between the crew and the captain, but I don't know how much of a Trekkie you are.

That's cool, but I felt it went to his head an awful lot. He could have taken a back seat, since it's not like his knowledge and experience was absolutely necessary for every single scenario.

Still, I don't see it as him gloryhogging. He was making sure he was taking more lumps so his team wouldn't have to, and everyone claims it's a character flaw. I think it was him trying to show caring for his friends and team.

He didn't really respect them as equals though. But maybe because he had the stronger powers. Who knows. I just felt that the team appeared to have more self confidence when Jason acted as field leader.

Billy and Kim served with Jason; did Tommy make their self confidence mysteriously vanish? If he was training their self esteem and confidence to be dependant on him, than I'd say that counts as a point against Jason.

He did seem pretty keen to speed up the process of getting Tommy in that costume though. And in terms of Zords that follow later in MMPR3, it seemed that the 'team' itself that Ninjor created and that Zordon first formed in MMPR1 was originally intended to have a White Ranger at some point, and that the Green Ranger was probably a prototype coin that wasn't planned on being a long term thing.

Green Ranger was always meant to serve with the MMPR, because otherwise the Dragonzord wouldn't have been able to combine with their zords.

I guess he wanted the Rangers to have an already established connection at the same school. And to have 2 Rangers from one school, and 3 from a rival school, would be difficult if not critical for the team's status.

The schools were rival schools. Gotta admit, might be tricky.

I'd still hesitate to call it destiny, though. I mean, Kimberly picked the Wild West Rangers; why would Zordon decide to only make the descendants of them the new Power Rangers in the 90's? Zordon didn't pick the WWR, so why would he then decide that their ancestors were automatically worthy of being his new Rangers?

Time travel confuses cause and effect. The Wild West Rangers were chosen because Kimberly fought alongside their descendants. Rocko, Miss Alicia, and whatever Adam's ancestor were called were Rangers because Rocky, Adam, and Aisha were Rangers in the future.

Oh yeah sure. I mean I'm enjoying this conversation. I'm not treating it like an argument, I'm treating it as a detailed discussion. You're an intelligent member and you're posting alot of good stuff, it's great to read. Personally I like the distribution of the roles, like the absolute highest shouldn't be with the team always, SPD (with the Shadow Ranger) is a fine example of what I'm illustrating, with Jack being the field leader. But each to their own. :)

SPD's not a bad example, actually. In my analogy, Jason is Jack while Tommy is Cruger and Zordon's... I unno, Birdie or something. If Shadow Ranger fought every episode, showcasing his superior skills and whatnot, I think he would have been seen as very similar to Tommy's White Ranger days.

Beats me, maybe Zordon hinted it off camera, then again I'm pulling that out of my arse to be honest. Maybe Zordon didn't suggest it, but already knew Tommy would say it. Beats me, like I said it's just a theory.

I like to think of it as Tommy already being so much like Zordon that they had the same idea.

A prequel of Zordon being the "lone new kid" eventually rising up the ranks to be respected by almost the entire universe would be an interesting fic. We need an insight into his past.

This is true. If I weren't hard at work on something else, I'd give it a whirl. Still might.

Jiemisu, in Zyuranger Geki (MM Red) and Burai (MM Green) WERE brothers.

Okay.

Question, the reason Zordon did not pick Rocky, Adam and Aisha originally was because since they were in Stone Canyon and not Angel Grove with the others, the group would have had two separate new factions, which as a unit, would never work.

Except... when Rocky, Adam, and Aisha joined up, there were two separate factions, and it did work. If Zordon wanted them from the start, he would have had them. None of the MMPR were petty enough to let little things like school rivalries get in the way of defending the world.

Either they all (maybe one outcast) have to be a group (at least knowing each other) beforehand (MMPR 1, LG, WF, TF, MF), they all must be strangers (LR, OO), or one of the two factions is more experienced than the other already (SPD, JF, NS post-Thunder debut) and unconsciously takes charge.

Okay. Now let's list the seasons that don't go with your theory.

What about PRLG? One alien, three GSA officers, and two random other guys who didn't meet until just before getting their powers.

What about latter-half PRT? Two friends who met about a half hour before becoming Rangers, two friends who played soccer or something, and a veteran sticking around yet inexplicably not taking charge.

What about Dino Thunder? Connor, Ethan, and Kira were very much not friends before becoming Rangers.

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When Rocky, Adam and Aisha joined, Billy, Tommy and Kim were already established (more experienced faction) and Tommy was the explicit leader.

Turbo part 2: they were ALL strangers like OO and LR. I said that works.

The DT's may not have been friends, but they at least knew each other and Tommy was there to take charge.

LG you could count the GSA group as the more experienced faction.

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When Rocky, Adam and Aisha joined, Billy, Tommy and Kim were already established (more experienced faction) and Tommy was the explicit leader.

Please explain how that matters. It'd help if you quoted things you were responding to, to facilitate conversation. Like I'm doing now.

Turbo part 2: they were ALL strangers like OO and LR. I said that works.

No, they weren't. Carlos and Ashley were friends, and TJ and Cassie were strangers.

The DT's may not have been friends, but they at least knew each other and Tommy was there to take charge.

Tommy was the mentor, not the leader. Unless you're willing to admit Zordon could have taken charge of a team made up of kids from rival schools if he'd wanted to, the same way Tommy took charge of the DT kids.

LG you could count the GSA group as the more experienced faction.

I was not aware the GSA guys were experienced Power Rangers before PRLG.

And it's still more than two "factions" anyway.

[Jiemusu]

Green Ranger was always meant to serve with the MMPR, because otherwise the Dragonzord wouldn't have been able to combine with their zords.

Or maybe, because the Dragon was an ancient prototype coin, it was adapted to be combatable with the Dinozords but later scrapped as a long term idea, but hence why it's not compatable with later and more efficient technology such as the Ninjazords.

So yes it could combine with the Dinozords, but maybe because the idea of the coin being used long term was scrapped (just being a prototype) it's colour was not encorperated into later team creations (such as Ninja/Shogun zords, Ninja powers).

Rita somehow got ahold of this coin and single handedly forced it's usage into the chapters of the Zordon era broadcasted. So yes, it can combine with new zords, but I think as a prototype the idea was probably scrapped in ancient times, and that the team was in the end supposed to be 6 Rangers (1 being the White Ranger).

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I doubt that's the case. There's just too much... well, okay, not "evidence", but it seems more like Zordon only created the White Coin after he gave up on restoring the Green.

-The Green Ranger resembles the core five more than the White Ranger does.
-Zordon himself remarked on the prophecy being complete with the Green Ranger joining the team.
-The Dragonzord is capable of transforming with the fleet of Zords Zordon had on hand for 10,000+ years; the Tigerzord could only combine with the Thunder Megazord Zordon had only just created.

If Zordon had always intended for there to be a White Ranger on his team, why not spend the 10,000 years before Rita's release creating the coin, and then giving it to someone at the same time he empowered the core five? Or to Tommy after the Green Power Coin crapped out?

[Jiemusu]

I doubt that's the case. There's just too much... well, okay, not "evidence", but it seems more like Zordon only created the White Coin after he gave up on restoring the Green.

True. But if we consider Zordon being somewhat of a foreteller, then he saw it coming.

Or maybe he didn't create the White Ranger power, but simply harnessed the power that was already there to "create" a new Ranger. There and then.

I opted for the idea that Zordon simply used a loose phrase that wasn't set in stone, just to either exaggerate his actions to big himself up, or simply to make the process easier to explain to the Rangers, since this would also explain the existance of the Falcon coin and Falconzord.

Gotta admit, it's kinda strange, it seems to work both ways. I might label it as an inconsistency.

-The Green Ranger resembles the core five more than the White Ranger does.

True, but then again the Green Ranger seems to look like someone took a Zyuranger and customized it, which is what early prototypes appear to do, while the White Ranger was a whole new makeover. The White Ranger appears more modern, and thought out.

-Zordon himself remarked on the prophecy being complete with the Green Ranger joining the team.

Could just be the prophecy stating the 6th Ranger would join the team. This way, it could be the White Ranger, and explains the Falcon coin and Falconzord more.

-The Dragonzord is capable of transforming with the fleet of Zords Zordon had on hand for 10,000+ years; the Tigerzord could only combine with the Thunder Megazord Zordon had only just created.

That is a toughie.

Like I said, maybe Zordon had the power but decided to harness the Tiger spirit and use it to create a Ranger and Zord sometime after Tommy was back in Angel Grove.

Anyway, Zordon may have already had these zords in dormant, and not told them. You think that sounds crazy? Hell he apparently had Zeo zords and Turbo zords in dormant and never told them he had them until the last minute, he neglected to tell them the viewing globe could view the past until he needed it to, and the biggie... he didn't even tell them Lord Zedd existed until he came.

Zordon has a huge habit of holding off telling the Rangers important information until the very last minute. He probably created the Thunderzord technology ages ago, when he'll probably say he "created" them right there and then.

I mean how the hell could Zordon take the Dinozords and turn them into more powerful Thunderzords when he's just a head in a tube that almost died trying to recharge one measly coin.

Unless the Dinozords were already designed to transform into Thunderzords even before MMPR1 when they are in contact with the power of thunder.

Or maybe they aren't related at all. Yes the footage shows the Dinozords turning into the Thunderzords, AND Zordon tells the Rangers that he transformed them, but.

A) As shown, Zordon isn't sharp at giving the right information
B) The footage is completey inaccurate anyway. Zordon said he already transformed them in The Mutiny, yet the footage shows them transforming again each time they are called.

You see what I mean?

If Zordon had always intended for there to be a White Ranger on his team, why not spend the 10,000 years before Rita's release creating the coin, and then giving it to someone at the same time he empowered the core five? Or to Tommy after the Green Power Coin crapped out?

Well because Zordon intended Tommy to be the White Ranger, and Tommy wasn't in Angel Grove at the time that the Rangers needed to be formed, plus armed with the fact that Tommy was converted to the Green Ranger almost straight after he arrived, Zordon didn't have a choice.

He would let Tommy's character build up with the Dragon coin, then (knowing it would fade of it's power) present him with the Tiger coin when the time was right.

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Well because Zordon intended Tommy to be the White Ranger, and Tommy wasn't in Angel Grove at the time that the Rangers needed to be formed, plus armed with the fact that Tommy was converted to the Green Ranger almost straight after he arrived, Zordon didn't have a choice.

He would let Tommy's character build up with the Dragon coin, then (knowing it would fade of it's power) present him with the Tiger coin when the time was right.

But, see, if he really wanted Tommy to be the White Ranger, why not just teleport him from wherever he lived before? It's the same problem I have with people saying he originally wanted Rocky, Adam, and Aisha; the Command Center could teleport across the universe, but not three cities over or whatever?

[grayguardianranger]

How'd we get into talking about the Green Ranger, when the thread is titled Gold ranger observation?

[Jiemusu]

But, see, if he really wanted Tommy to be the White Ranger, why not just teleport him from wherever he lived before? It's the same problem I have with people saying he originally wanted Rocky, Adam, and Aisha; the Command Center could teleport across the universe, but not three cities over or whatever?

Maybe it's just the way Zordon wanted his team. Individual differencs within mentors.

How'd we get into talking about the Green Ranger, when the thread is titled Gold ranger observation?

A Gold Ranger discussion turned into a general 6th Ranger discussion, with developed into a discussion about how Zordon's allies each seem to match a corresponding team (Zeo/Turbo/Galaxy etc), and that Jason could be a new ally of Zordon's who became the Gold Ranger because of his services, then it became a typical Jason/Tommy (a nice debate though, not an aggresive one), then it became about Zordon's true motives for choosing leadership, then it became about which Ranger (Green/White) Zordon originally wanted as the 6th Ranger in MMPR.

I think that's the jist. :D

[GekiCosmic]

Of course the Green Ranger powers were compatible with the MMPR. All evidence points to it. But I do believe at one point there was a White MMPR. It would be based on the Brachiosaurus and use Titanus as it's Zord. It would have shielding similar to Green Ranger's

I believe Zordon was the White MMPR before he was trapped in the Time Warp. Could Zordon have once been an Evil Ranger like Tommy? Maybe the prophecy Zordon spoke of was referring to two evil Rangers who had been redeemed? Alternatively, it could just mean that all of the powers in that particular set had been united as one.

Well, I always thought that the White Ranger suit was a sort of "Thunder Ranger" made to match the new White Tigerzord. When the White Ranger suit was being created, the Command Center was down and the Rangers were in serious trouble. Therefore Zordon couldn't have attempted to make five more "Thunder Rangers" (The Dairanger suits) as it would have been dangerous for the team, especially if Zordon foresaw the Ninja Powers and Ninja Zords.

He did have, however, enough power to modify the Dinozords into the Thunderzords. Especially since even his name implies he's a Master of Zord Creation. I remember seeing in one episode, Alpha used the Morphing Grid to create some flowers in a park. Since Alpha's shown to be capable of creating small scale things, one can only imagine what Zordon is capable of creating.

I do believe that Zordon knew Jason was going to leave for the Peace Conference, and had actually spoken to Jason about this beforehand, offscreen.

In "A Golden Homecoming", Jason said to Tommy that he was comforted to know HE had left the team in good hands. This implies Jason and Zordon had spoken previously and Zordon had informed Jason (And possibly Zack & Trini too) that they were going to the Peace Conference, leaving Jason with the final decision of choosing a successor. But I'm sure Zordon already knew that Jason would choose Tommy.

Perhaps prior to their leaving, Jason, Zack and Trini had spent a great deal in the Command Center talking to Zordon, which would explain the In-Universe reason for them to be absent after the actors left.

Also, this has just occured to me; People always say the Suits should've changed when the Rangers recieved the Ninja Powers. But the reason they kept the old suits is the same reason the five MMPR didn't upgrade to the Dairanger suits, Zordon simply didn't have enough power to create any new suits. I think the Thunder Powers themselves were created by Ninjor, but the Suit and Zord designs were all Zordon's.

[Jiemusu]

Perhaps prior to their leaving, Jason, Zack and Trini had spent a great deal in the Command Center talking to Zordon, which would explain the In-Universe reason for them to be absent after the actors left.

Brilliant. I mean I had it that they were often away preparing for the conference MUCH MORE than Tommy, Billy and Kim were. Hence why Jason, Trini and Zack got in and the others didn't.

But this explains alot too.

[GekiCosmic]

Brilliant. I mean I had it that they were often away preparing for the conference MUCH MORE than Tommy, Billy and Kim were. Hence why Jason, Trini and Zack got in and the others didn't.

But this explains alot too.

Also, it always seemed to me that Jason, Zack and Trini wanted to help the world in other ways too, judging by their personalities anyway, hence them getting in.

Zordon then needed three new "Teenagers with Attitude" and picked them pretty much the same way as the original five, except they already knew the identities of the Rangers. They weren't as experienced and often seemed seperate from Tommy, Billy and Kim, but soon developed into Rangers in their own right.

With the whole "Wild West Rangers" thing, remember how Jason, Zack and Trini needed the Sword of Light (or was it Sword of Power?) to transfer the powers? Then how could Kim give the powers to their ancestors so easily? They looked the same, and in the PRU that means they are a genetic match, like Alex and Wes in Time Force. But it was set in Angel Grove, meaning that it should have been Jason, Zack and Trini's ancestors. But since the power had been passed on to Rocky, Adam and Aisha, it wouldn't have been a genetic match if they had gone to the past. So Zordon pulled the same Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff he pulled when he replaced Aisha with Tanya so that Rocky, Adam and Aisha's ancestors were in Angel Grove at the time.

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With the whole "Wild West Rangers" thing, remember how Jason, Zack and Trini needed the Sword of Light (or was it Sword of Power?) to transfer the powers? Then how could Kim give the powers to their ancestors so easily? They looked the same, and in the PRU that means they are a genetic match, like Alex and Wes in Time Force. But it was set in Angel Grove, meaning that it should have been Jason, Zack and Trini's ancestors. But since the power had been passed on to Rocky, Adam and Aisha, it wouldn't have been a genetic match if they had gone to the past. So Zordon pulled the same Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff he pulled when he replaced Aisha with Tanya so that Rocky, Adam and Aisha's ancestors were in Angel Grove at the time.

Or maybe the link just ceases when a Ranger dies. Much simpler answer.

Of course, I still just think that the Sword of Light copied the powers, instead of breaking a link of any sort.

[GekiCosmic]

Or maybe the link just ceases when a Ranger dies. Much simpler answer.

Of course, I still just think that the Sword of Light copied the powers, instead of breaking a link of any sort.

As do I, I believe the Power Coins were COPIED, since it would have been unfair to the original three to just be discarded like that, and as gratitude for their services he arranged to copy the powers, which would mean if any of the MMPRs were out of action permanently, the other Ranger could return and take their place. But perhaps while one coin was active, the other was powerless, or perhaps if both coins were used at the same time, the two rangers would split the power between them, so Jason and Rocky would get 50% power each?

Maybe that's an in universe explanation for why Rocky wasn't in Forever Red. It would have been better to have one full strength Ranger than two Half-Strength Rangers.

[Green Elephant]

Please explain how that matters. It'd help if you quoted things you were responding to, to facilitate conversation. Like I'm doing now.
OK

No, they weren't. Carlos and Ashley were friends, and TJ and Cassie were strangers.
I don't recall Ashley and Carlos being seen together at all prior to getting their powers.
Tommy was the mentor, not the leader. Unless you're willing to admit Zordon could have taken charge of a team made up of kids from rival schools if he'd wanted to, the same way Tommy took charge of the DT kids.
If the mentor is an "other" Ranger, that puts him above the Red. Did you see SPD?
I was not aware the GSA guys were experienced Power Rangers before PRLG. And it's still more than two "factions" anyway.
Not Power Rangers, but they were still trained as soldiers. Damon was wearing a GSA uniform (note the patch on his heart). I count the LG formation group with Mike, not Leo, because he pulled the sword out. That leaves only Maya outside.

We need a separate thread for this discussion.

[Jiemusu]

As do I, I believe the Power Coins were COPIED, since it would have been unfair to the original three to just be discarded like that, and as gratitude for their services he arranged to copy the powers, which would mean if any of the MMPRs were out of action permanently, the other Ranger could return and take their place. But perhaps while one coin was active, the other was powerless, or perhaps if both coins were used at the same time, the two rangers would split the power between them, so Jason and Rocky would get 50% power each?

Maybe that's an in universe explanation for why Rocky wasn't in Forever Red. It would have been better to have one full strength Ranger than two Half-Strength Rangers.

Well seeing as it's established as a power transfer. My view is that that COINS were copied and that the power was transferred from the original ranger's coins to the replacements. The Z Wave restoring and fixing Jason, Zack's and Trini's existing (undamaged) coins (like charging a cell or iPod that isn't broken) explains Jason morphing in Forever Red. But the coins of the other rangers were damaged in Ninja Quest, thus not restored by the Z Wave (you cannot charge a broken iPod or cell), hence why Sentinal Knight had to restore Adam's coin.

So Rocky had the same powers as Jason, although maybe the Red, Black and Yellow coins were slightely weakened due to the transfer, with the former coins of Jason, Trini and Zack keeping a tiny (or enough) proportion of the energy for the Z Wave to expand. It might explain why Rocky, Aisha and Adam seemed weaker than Jason, Trini and Zack.

This explains Jason morphing in Forever Red, why Rocky's powers appeared weaker, why Adam wasn't affected by the Z Wave and needed Sentinal Knight. To me, this seemes to explain everything.

[GekiCosmic]

Well seeing as it's established as a power transfer. My view is that that COINS were copied and that the power was transferred from the original ranger's coins to the replacements. The Z Wave restoring and fixing Jason, Zack's and Trini's existing (undamaged) coins (like charging a cell or iPod that isn't broken) explains Jason morphing in Forever Red. But the coins of the other rangers were damaged in Ninja Quest, thus not restored by the Z Wave (you cannot charge a broken iPod or cell), hence why Sentinal Knight had to restore Adam's coin.

So Rocky had the same powers as Jason, although maybe the Red, Black and Yellow coins were slightely weakened due to the transfer, with the former coins of Jason, Trini and Zack keeping a tiny (or enough) proportion of the energy for the Z Wave to expand. It might explain why Rocky, Aisha and Adam seemed weaker than Jason, Trini and Zack.

This explains Jason morphing in Forever Red, why Rocky's powers appeared weaker, why Adam wasn't affected by the Z Wave and needed Sentinal Knight. To me, this seemes to explain everything.

Yeah, that makes sense. But when Rocky's coin was damaged in Ninja Quest, do you think some of that power went back into Jason's coin?

[Jiemusu]

Yeah, that makes sense. But when Rocky's coin was damaged in Ninja Quest, do you think some of that power went back into Jason's coin?

Well while it's not stated and nothing points towards it, nothing points AGAINST it.

And I mean it does make sense. Since Rocky's coin's connection to the morphin grid was lost, that power needs to direct back somewhere, and I imagine that (if we go by the view that Jason still contained a TINY amount of energy enough to have it established to the grid) the power that left Rocky's coin rerouted back to Jason's.

I mean nothing disproves it, so it seems to make sense.

[grayguardianranger]

Also, in that episode, Austin, Walter and Thuy left long before they finished filming due to financial disagreements. So, and if you watch that episode you'll see it, Jason, Trini, and Zack are still morphed after Rocky, Adam, and Aisha recieve the power. So there was still some power in those coins after they left.

[DaiRed]

I don't recall Ashley and Carlos being seen together at all prior to getting their powers.

One the episodes they were in before they became rangers was "Honey, I Shrunk the Rangers."