Mighty morphin power questions

[PhoenixRenja]

I am just wondering how many original power morphers exists and what is their status after showing this http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm239/outatimeprops/

So lets start. There were 5 morphers for five dino coins and one gold morpher for the dragon coin. After the disconnection of the dragon coin from the morphing grid zordon and alpha made new powers for tommy and give him one new morpher (which was exactly like the others morphers silver and not gold) with a new tiger coin too.Lets just say that the three power morphers with their coins removed from their three original users to the three new ones so the count is 5 morphers with dino coins another one with a tiger coin and a gold morpher with the dragon coin. As we saw adam had his broken morpher in in space. so that means that after the destruction of the thunder zords all six morphers were in the same condition as adams in always a change. So after they obtain the ninja coins the most probably re energize their morphers and completely fixed them is this the case or do i miss something? its been a while since i watch season 3 to know. so after time went backward and forward the morphers and the coins returned to their state after the destruction of the thunderzords. so the golden morpher with the dragon coin is the lnly one in good state though it is powerless. about the green ranger clone coin or why the power morphers werent copied thats some subjects that gave me suc a headache lol. Whatever i want to see if you agree with me about if i am correct for my opinion about the state of the mmpr morphers.

[The Doctor]

Whose pictures are those? Are they props or something?

[Tommy5]

there are 10 Morphers, the original 5, Tommy had a gold one when he was the Green Ranger, another Gold one when he was the White Ranger and then 3 made for Adam, Aisha and Adam, or at least thats what I think

[Jiemusu]

I am just wondering how many original power morphers exists and what is their status after showing this http://s297.photobucket.com/albums/mm239/outatimeprops/

So lets start. There were 5 morphers for five dino coins and one gold morpher for the dragon coin. After the disconnection of the dragon coin from the morphing grid zordon and alpha made new powers for tommy and give him one new morpher (which was exactly like the others morphers silver and not gold) with a new tiger coin too.Lets just say that the three power morphers with their coins removed from their three original users to the three new ones so the count is 5 morphers with dino coins another one with a tiger coin and a gold morpher with the dragon coin. As we saw adam had his broken morpher in in space. so that means that after the destruction of the thunder zords all six morphers were in the same condition as adams in always a change. So after they obtain the ninja coins the most probably re energize their morphers and completely fixed them is this the case or do i miss something? its been a while since i watch season 3 to know. so after time went backward and forward the morphers and the coins returned to their state after the destruction of the thunderzords. so the golden morpher with the dragon coin is the lnly one in good state though it is powerless. about the green ranger clone coin or why the power morphers werent copied thats some subjects that gave me suc a headache lol. Whatever i want to see if you agree with me about if i am correct for my opinion about the state of the mmpr morphers.

That's basically all correct, except the White Ranger seemed to have a white/different shade of gold morpher for some reason.

Here are all the coins ever used and their status.

Jason's Tyrannosaurus Coin Active
Zack's Mastodon Coin Active
Trini's Sabre Tooth Tiger Coin Active
Kimberly's Pteradacty Coin Damaged
Billy's Triceratops Coin Damaged
Tommy's Dragon Coin Drained
Rocky's Tyrannosaurus Coin Damaged
*Adam's Mastodon Coin Damaged, later Active
Aisha's Sabre Tooth Tiger Damaged
Tommy's White Tiger Coin Damaged
Rocky's Ninja Coin Destroyed
Adam's Ninja Coin Destroyed
Aisha's Ninja Coin Destroyed
Kimberly's/Katherine's Ninja Coin Destroyed
Billy's Ninja Coin Destroyed
Tommy's Ninja Coin Destroyed

*Note Adam's coin, before PROO, is in the same status as the rest of his team in Season 2, but we do not see the same status in the other coins. Coin restored in PROO anyway.

Key

Destroyed Coin and Morpher, as objects, no longer exist with a physical presence
Damaged Coin and Morpher still exist as objects, but the coin is damaged beyond regular repair, energy left in morpher used to morph (could risk the life of the user upon use)
Drained Coin and Morpher exist, however cannot be used because no power exists anymore
Active Fully operational.

NOTE: Jason, Zack and Trini's coins restored due to Z-Wave, personal opinion.

FURTHER NOTE: Jason, Zack, Trini and Adam are the ONLY rangers with active coins.

[grant2012]

well i think the whole thing with adam in proo was a continuity error, and the in space thing i would barely count as active because remember he kept on losing his powers for a few seconds

[Mr. Brightside]

The whole status thing makes sense to me regarding that Forever Red episode. I incorrectly remembered Jason giving up his coin to Rocky. Makes sense if Rocky got a new coin to how Jason was able morph once more.

[Scaletex]

Let's see...the Mutant Rangers, the other fake Ranger doubles, the Green Ranger Clone...and every other cheap gimmick done in-show to bring back Rangers....

I'd say those could count as all having been destroyed though.

[Chris3123]

NOTE: Jason, Zack and Trini's coins restored due to Z-Wave, personal opinion.

FURTHER NOTE: Jason, Zack, Trini and Adam are the ONLY rangers with active coins.

You should also add that Jason, Zach and Trini even having coins after the Power Transfer is just your opinion. One that doesn't really make much sense. In that episode, the 3 coins were clearly given to Aisha, Rock, and Adam. The three who left couldn't also have the same coins. Even if it were possible, what would be the point of letting the 3 keep the coins? It's not like they were ever going to use them. You are suggesting that Zordon created 3 new coins for no reason. :confused:

And the fact that the 3 who left were wearing the suits at the same time as the new guys isn't a good enough reason. Besides the fact that that doesn't really prove that there was then 2 of each of those 3 coins, the only reason they showed them in their suits as they were teleported out is because the 3 actors weren't available, requiring us to not be allowed to see the 3 characters' faces.

[Mr. Brightside]

According to what Jiemus said about morphers being destoryed doesn't make sense to me when you talk of Adam during In Space. How could Adam use his morpher if the Power Coin was destroyed? There shouldn't be any power left if you think of it. If the coin was only damaged then that would make sense. It was clearly stated at the beginning of Zeo that the Power Coins were destroyed. How does the morpher still have power left in it? The coins are needed for the morphers to work. No coin equals no power. Can someone explain this to me if an explanation is possible? I get the whole "you might die" part with the damaged morpher but how did Adam morph without a coin?

[Me-Hostage]

Whose pictures are those? Are they props or something?

Being the link has "probs" in the link itself... LOL.

[PhoenixRenja]

What i am thinking more and more and makes more sense to me is that Zordon and alpha can easily create new power morphers with the coincs energy. So after the episodes ''power transfer'' the three dino coins went to the three new rangers which created for them three new morphers while jason zack and trini had their original morphers though they hadnt any power coin. the same thing probably happened with kim and kat when kim gave her her coin.

[Mnikolic]

The Power Transfer episode was messed up because Austin, Walter and Thuy were fired from the show and they weren't present during the filming of that particular episode due to lack-of-money reasons. They wanted more money for their work.

But the theory of powers going back to Jason's, Trini's and Zack's coins from Rocky, Aisha's and Adam's coins could be still real...

However, Kimberly no longer has a working power coin. She gave her Ninja Coin to Kat and Kim's Dono Coin was damaged beyond reapir, just like the others. And it wasn't shown in PROO that SK restored all the Dino Coins, it was shown that he just restored Adam's.

[Tommy5]

According to what Jiemus said about morphers being destoryed doesn't make sense to me when you talk of Adam during In Space. How could Adam use his morpher if the Power Coin was destroyed? There shouldn't be any power left if you think of it. If the coin was only damaged then that would make sense. It was clearly stated at the beginning of Zeo that the Power Coins were destroyed. How does the morpher still have power left in it? The coins are needed for the morphers to work. No coin equals no power. Can someone explain this to me if an explanation is possible? I get the whole "you might die" part with the damaged morpher but how did Adam morph without a coin?

The Ninja Coins were destroyed, the Dino Coins however were damaged severely and using them could cause the user to be drained of their life force, Adam used his Mastadon Coin and not the Frog Coin that was destroyed

[Primal Slayer]

If the MMPR wanted to, they could just go back to Ninjors lair, wake him up and have him give them their ninja coins again.

[PhoenixRenja]

If the MMPR wanted to, they could just go back to Ninjors lair, wake him up and have him give them their ninja coins again.

why do that if they have something as powerful as the zeo crystal???

[Primal Slayer]

Well why is Adam intent on using his Mastadon coin when he has his zeo powers?

[PhoenixRenja]

Well why is Adam intent on using his Mastadon coin when he has his zeo powers?

after obtaining the turbo powers they most probably give the zeo powers to zordon and they are in a max security and top secret place now. after retiring from their rangers status tommy and the others give the turbo morphers to the new team. so they only have the broken morphers as seen in always a change. dont tell me about forever red tommy became red zeo because nine other red rangers were there...

[Primal Slayer]

after obtaining the turbo powers they most probably give the zeo powers to zordon and they are in a max security and top secret place now. after retiring from their rangers status tommy and the others give the turbo morphers to the new team. so they only have the broken morphers as seen in always a change. dont tell me about forever red tommy became red zeo because nine other red rangers were there...

So then why do go from asking why would they want the ninja powers when they have the zeo crystals to they gave their zeo crystals to Zordon?

Plus the Ninja coins give them more power without having to rely on a morpher. They would still have their ninjetti forms whereas they can only harness the Zeo powers with a zeonizer and morphed. The zeo crystal is strong but the rangers obviously never knew how to properly harness that power. So just go with the Ninja coin that gives them an advantage even withou the morpher.

[Mr. Brightside]

So what was the coin destroyed at the end of Might Morphin? Another simple question this time- didn't they get back the Dino powers during the time they used the Nija powers and Morphed back with the Dino powers? If you don't get what I am asking watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAf_vAojE_w

[Jiemusu]

Blimey, you people and your knowledge of PR REALLY amaze me sometimes. *cracks knuckles*

well i think the whole thing with adam in proo was a continuity error, and the in space thing i would barely count as active because remember he kept on losing his powers for a few seconds

Saying it's a continuity error is simply a weak way of saying "I don't want to discuss this topic because it's too complicated for me".

Always look for every eventuality before you label it as an error, they don't create errors randomly for the hell of it y'know.

How is it even a continuity error anyway, trusting you know what the term means? It doesn't contradict anything already established in the continuity error, so how does it place an error in the continuity? Sentinal Knight even stated he restored Adam's coin.

Let's see...the Mutant Rangers, the other fake Ranger doubles, the Green Ranger Clone...and every other cheap gimmick done in-show to bring back Rangers....

I'd say those could count as all having been destroyed though.

The Mutant Rangers were destroyed, yeah, but the Green Ranger clone is still alive (as is his coin).

I forgot about the Tom Oliver clone, thank you. That makes Jason, Trini, Zack, Adam and Tom the only MMPR Rangers with active coins.

You should also add that Jason, Zach and Trini even having coins after the Power Transfer is just your opinion. One that doesn't really make much sense.

You mean it doesn't make sense to you.

How does it not make sense? The coin is in their buckle after the transfer, I think it's pretty simple to be honest. Try watching the show.

In that episode, the 3 coins were clearly given to Aisha, Rock, and Adam.

Yeah seriously... WATCH THE EPISODE. They were not 'given'. GIVING the coin would be what happened in Different Shade of Pink (trusting you have watched THAT). In the Power Transfer, Rocky, Aisha and Adam had no coins at all. After the transfer was done, they magically had coins on their buckle after the power from Jason, Zack and Trini was temporarly cloned to form two sets of Red, Yellow and Black Rangers. Two sets of each in the chamber, try and deny that, go on.

We see the coins in the buckle for all the Rangers in there. The coins were not HANDED, the coins were literaly cloned, but the power was literally transferred (Jason, Trini and Zack still had little enough to remain in their morphed forms for a while longer).

So they were not literally given to the new Rangers, watch the episode before you discuss, or at least grasp terms.

The three who left couldn't also have the same coins.

Well... they did, it's on the show. You lose.

Even if it were possible, what would be the point of letting the 3 keep the coins? It's not like they were ever going to use them.

To be honest, if they are being cloned anyway, but they have no power, why bother doing anything else.

You are suggesting that Zordon created 3 new coins for no reason. :confused:

Wow let me think... oh yeah he created the new coins so that THE NEW RANGERS COULD MORPH PERHAPS LULZ?

And the fact that the 3 who left were wearing the suits at the same time as the new guys isn't a good enough reason.

In show reasons, real life reasons.

Learn the distinction, then we will talk.

Besides the fact that that doesn't really prove that there was then 2 of each of those 3 coins, the only reason they showed them in their suits as they were teleported out is because the 3 actors weren't available, requiring us to not be allowed to see the 3 characters' faces.

AGAIN

In show reasons, real life reasons.

Learn the distinction, then we will talk.

According to what Jiemus said about morphers being destoryed doesn't make sense to me when you talk of Adam during In Space. How could Adam use his morpher if the Power Coin was destroyed? There shouldn't be any power left if you think of it.

Well Adam DID risk his life, knowing that the morph would PROBABLY kill him. That's the important point people NEED to remember.

It was incredibly unstable, and could have killed Adam right there, way too risky.

If the coin was only damaged then that would make sense.

Well the coin wasn't destroyed, it WAS just damaged, hence it was still there as a physical force.

You see the Ninja Coins were destroyed, i.e no longer having a physical force, but that's different to being damaged.

It was clearly stated at the beginning of Zeo that the Power Coins were destroyed. How does the morpher still have power left in it?

Crickey, did you watch Ninja Quest or ANY of Season 3? Or actually, did you read my first post in this thread?

The Dino Coins and the Ninja coins are DIFFERENT.

Adam's Frog Ninja coin was destroyed BUT he used his damaged Mastodon coin and morpher to morph in PRIS and PROO, hellooo?

Srsly, I thought that was like COMMON MMPR knowledge to everyone.

I get the whole "you might die" part with the damaged morpher but how did Adam morph without a coin?

He risked his life using the energy that was left in the morpher, an incredibly risky choice, but he took a chance and made it. Hence the episode title "ALWAYS A CHANCE" Geddit?

Srsly geiz, your capacity of PR knowledge saddens me.

[Primal Slayer]

So what was the coin destroyed at the end of Might Morphin? Another simple question this time- didn't they get back the Dino powers during the time they used the Nija powers and Morphed back with the Dino powers? If you don't get what I am asking watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAf_vAojE_w

I still dont get what your asking...

They never got the dino powers back during the time they had the Ninja ones. The dino coins were present at times in the morphers/buckles but that was just a fluke of them not paying attention/using footage shot for them in japan. And the suits didnt change any since they were using Zordons morphers with Ninjors coins. The morphers give them the suits while the coins add the power.

[Jiemusu]

So what was the coin destroyed at the end of Might Morphin? Another simple question this time- didn't they get back the Dino powers during the time they used the Nija powers and Morphed back with the Dino powers? If you don't get what I am asking watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAf_vAojE_w

The last time ANY Dino coin (apart from the specials below) was used was in Ninja Quest before they were gone forever.

The ONLY time afterwards that a Dino Coin was used, was the following.

Adam - Always a Chance - PRIS
Jason - Forever Red - PRWF
Tommy White/Green - Fighting Spirit (dream sequence) - PRDT
Adam - Once a Ranger - PROO

[PhoenixRenja]

You guys lets just dont try to answer if the dino coins were cloned or transferred. we have already tones of threads like that lol. If i remember correctly zordon and alpha found a box with the five power coins and a map to ninjor's location. So zordon must had created all the power morphers. What i want to ask is that a power morpher with out a coin is easily as powerful as that roses zordon made for kim and tommy in one episode. so it must be ridiculously easy to make a power morpher using the morphing grid right? that explains a lot like the morpher kat had after kim only gaved her her coin or the morpher of the new white ranger.

[Jiemusu]

People are forgetting the HUGE distinction between the terms coin and power.

You cannot 'transfer' a coin. It's a physical object that can be destroyed, it is not energy.

Evidence: Tommy had a fully working coin but could not morph because he had no more power, he stated this himself.

[Chris3123]

Jiemusu, what's with the attitude? :confused:

Blimey, you people and your knowledge of PR REALLY amaze me sometimes. *cracks knuckles*


Well, you aren't talking about me, since I am quite knowledgeable about PR, and you haven't pointed out anything I didn't already know.


You mean it doesn't make sense to you.


Why go through the trouble of making new coins and copying the powers over, instead of just handing the coins over to the new guys? So unless it was explained in the episode why they couldn't just hand the coins over to the new guys, it makes no sense, period. If you can point out the on screen explanation, I will of course concede.

How does it not make sense? The coin is in their buckle after the transfer, I think it's pretty simple to be honest. Try watching the show.

Dude, tone down the arrogance. I have no need to go back and watch it again, as I am already familiar with all the important details, including the one you assumed that I was unaware of.


Yeah seriously... WATCH THE EPISODE.

I've seen it numerous times before, and remember all the important details, thank you.


They were not 'given'. GIVING the coin would be what happened in Different Shade of Pink (trusting you have watched THAT).

Dude, seriously, what's your problem? And I've seen all 674 episodes to date, so don't go thinking I'm just a casual viewer.

In the Power Transfer, Rocky, Aisha and Adam had no coins at all. After the transfer was done, they magically had coins on their buckle after the power from Jason, Zack and Trini was temporarly cloned to form two sets of Red, Yellow and Black Rangers. Two sets of each in the chamber, try and deny that, go on.


I've seen it with my own two eyes each time I've watched the episode. Why on earth would I want to deny it?

We see the coins in the buckle for all the Rangers in there.

That's certainly what it looks like, yes.

The coins were not HANDED, the coins were literaly cloned, but the power was literally transferred (Jason, Trini and Zack still had little enough to remain in their morphed forms for a while longer).

Yeah, that was bad wording on my part. I know they weren't literally handed over, I just meant that they received the coins after the transfer was complete. Residual energy keeping the original 3 morphed a bit longer? Sure, I can buy that. Coins being copied? The coins are permanent parts of the PR costumes as far as I know, so obviously you'd spot coins in there when you look at the stand-in's costumes.

So they were not literally given to the new Rangers,

I see it as the 3 new guys having the same coins the old guys had. You saw 3 extra coins just because the coins are part of the costume.

watch the episode before you discuss

I am fully aware of all the pertinent details.

or at least grasp terms.

I do that too. ;) Though I admit I made a poor choice of words in my previous post.


Well... they did, it's on the show.

So, you saw Jason, Zach, and/or Trini with a powerless coin in their possession after the transfer? And I mean the actual coin, not just a detail on a costume. And the answer would be no, since we never saw any of those characters with a powerless coin after the transfer.

You lose.

I wasn't aware we were playing a game. Or that you were the referee. ;)

To be honest, if they are being cloned anyway, but they have no power, why bother doing anything else.

Yes, but WHY were they cloned? That's my point.

Wow let me think... oh yeah he created the new coins so that THE NEW RANGERS COULD MORPH PERHAPS LULZ?

He could just as easily given them the 3 originals. That is, unless there was an actual explanation in the show as to why that wasn't possible. Again, if you can point that out to me, I'll happily concede. ;)

In show reasons, real life reasons.

Learn the distinction, then we will talk.

Again with the assuming. ;) I am well aware of the distinction. And this is why we disagree despite us both being equally knowledgeable about the subject. Personally, I don't believe that this even need an explanation. They had no choice but to keep the three stand-ins in costume while the 3 new characters were wearing theirs. And the "coin" is just part of the costume, so showing duplicates of the coins (which, as we see them there, are just part or the costume) is hardly worthy of true acknowledgment, much less an explanation. But then, that is my opinion. One you obviously don't share. And that's cool. We simply disagree.

And anyway, even if i did agree that the 3 who left kept their old (albeit powerless) coins, it would still not make sense, since it was never explained why the power coins couldn't just be handed over. Once more, I'll concede if you can point out the on screen explanation. ;)

Srsly geiz, your capacity of PR knowledge saddens me.

My PR knowledge seems to be pretty darn equal to yours, from what I've seen in this thread, so you ain't talking about me. But anyway, why does it sadden you that one is not as knowledgeable as you on a certain subject? Certainly not because this is a PR board, seeing as being a PR expert is not a prerequisite to registering.


Remember, we re just discussing tv show. No need to get your blood pressure risin'. ;)