Forever Red!?

[Ernde38]

Why is it that just about everytime somebody mentions/discusses how Jason and TJ's powers were restored, somebody likes to point out that "so were Tommy's"!? They were never lost/destroyed, so they didn't need to be restored! The Turbo Powers were originally made to help the rangers pass through the "gate" in the movie. After that, they're not just going to give up the powers after just one use. The Zeo Powers were NEVER lost or destroyed, so why the hell do people throw Tommy in with Jason and TJ!?

[Xerox]

They don't know any better.

[Ernde38]

They don't know any better.

I have no idea why, but it irritates me when somebody posts that Tommy's powers were "restored" when referring to the Zeo Powers.

[Question]

I wasn't aware anyone said that.

[animeaddict4]

u have to remember, there was no like "official" ending to Zeo. it was the Christmas episode, then the movie. people probably think theres like a secret ending that shows their powers being destroyed or something

[Xerox]

But Kat was still able to do her Zeo morph in the movie. Who could possibly think their powers were destroyed before then?

[RyanRXP]

The people that think that the Zeo powers were destroyed are the people that think that the Zeo crystal was used to make the Turbo powers.

I have no stance on this theory, but that is the reason.

[Red Master]

Huh well i hadn't thought to watch the move until after you posted this thread.I hadn't watched it when it came out way back.And like many i didn't think turbo was a great season so i had never bother to give it a chance.Plus i had gotten back in to PR as the end of 06.I was busy catching up with the disney era.Honestly i haven't even fully watched any season from LG to WF excluding LSR.
Hell i only watched half of the turbo movie.No one should have to punish themselves like that on purpose.
Anywhoo...thank you for clearing that up.I will no longer count him along with Jason & TJ in Forever Red.

[Ernde38]

The people that think that the Zeo powers were destroyed are the people that think that the Zeo crystal was used to make the Turbo powers.

I have no stance on this theory, but that is the reason.

I think the only reason that theory exists, is because they used the same colors in both seasons. Big friggin' deal! That's like saying all Green Rangers after Tommy, got their powers made from the Dragon coin...

[Chriz]

Well I guess to play devil's advocate. You could argue any of the following


1) When Kat hit the water in the turbo movie as Pink Zeo it didn't last long at all like maybe the powers were failing.

2) a ranger can not have two ranger forms at once right? Otherwise would Jason have morphed in to green in "return of an old friend"? In the show before they have talked about having too much power surely both Zeo and Turbo would be too much?

3) When they became turbo the Zeo crystal must have returned to the command centre which was blown up in turbo

4) Tommy doesn't have Zeo Powers in Dino Thunder and timeline wise he should have studying or developing the technology for the dino thunder zords so forever red must have been one last morph as they even stated he didn't have the powers anymore

5) Adam in Space knowing the black dino coin could kill him still morphed right? wouldn't he have used Zeo powers as 1. more stable and 2. "stronger than before"

6) Rocky would have returned when healed if his Zeo powers worked right?


7) In turbo the series if anything happened zord or powers wise they didn't just pull out zeo. So they mustn't have worked.





So I guess there is points to both sides

[RyanRXP]

Well I guess to play devil's advocate. You could argue any of the following


1) When Kat hit the water in the turbo movie as Pink Zeo it didn't last long at all like maybe the powers were failing.

2) a ranger can not have two ranger forms at once right? Otherwise would Jason have morphed in to green in "return of an old friend"? In the show before they have talked about having too much power surely both Zeo and Turbo would be too much?

3) When they became turbo the Zeo crystal must have returned to the command centre which was blown up in turbo

4) Tommy doesn't have Zeo Powers in Dino Thunder and timeline wise he should have studying or developing the technology for the dino thunder zords so forever red must have been one last morph as they even stated he didn't have the powers anymore

5) Adam in Space knowing the black dino coin could kill him still morphed right? wouldn't he have used Zeo powers as 1. more stable and 2. "stronger than before"

6) Rocky would have returned when healed if his Zeo powers worked right?


7) In turbo the series if anything happened zord or powers wise they didn't just pull out zeo. So they mustn't have worked.





So I guess there is points to both sides


1. Kat's powers failed her because she was not fully morphed when she hit the water. At the hight she fell from, it would mean a lot of impact, so I was too much of an impact to finish morphing

2. It was never said that a ranger could only have one power.

3. Jason could not use the green ranger powers because there was not enough engergy left in the coin.

4. When did they state that? I have never heard that. And even if he did, he would not have been working on anything. He may have found the gems, but there was no point in using them(as it would have been before Mesogog)

5. Adam may have not used his Zeo powers because the ranger would have, more than likely, put the Zeo crystal in a very safe place. So Adam would have had no time to get it. And since when did the theme song become cannon? Last I checked it wasn't.

6. Rocky said he wanted to live a normal life. And it was apparent that he left town(as he was never seen again)

7. Read point 5

[Chriz]

5. Adam may have not used his Zeo powers because the ranger would have, more than likely, put the Zeo crystal in a very safe place. So Adam would have had no time to get it. And since when did the theme song become cannon? Last I checked it wasn't.


Weren't the crystals part of them? It looked that way in Zeo's first episode. So how could he?




Again I'm not on either side for this i'm just saying it's not a stupid thing to say "how did he get them back" as there is a lot to say he didn't have them anymore

[RyanRXP]

Weren't the crystals part of them? It looked that way in Zeo's first episode. So how could he?




Again I'm not on either side for this i'm just saying it's not a stupid thing to say "how did he get them back" as there is a lot to say he didn't have them anymore

The crystal's powers went into them, the crystals itself, was never shown, and was more than likely turned into their morphers(as they had crystals on them)

[Hear All]

I wasn't aware anyone said that.

Same thing here

[-DMS-]

ya me to! i wasn't aware of this

[Tommy5]

the sub-Crystals and the Power resides within all of them

1.
5. Adam may have not used his Zeo powers because he would have, more than likely, put the Zeo crystal in a very safe place. So Adam would have had no time to get it. And since when did the theme song become cannon? Last I checked it wasn't.


The thing about Adam returning in AaC is that he had no idea he would be fighting lizwizard, at the time he was trainig Carlos and he had no idea that they were going to be attacked, I mean he was retired but I mean even though he has the Zeo Powers, he might've left his Zeonizers at home because retired Rangers don't expect to be attacked

[Chriz]

the sub-Crystals and the Power resides within all of them



The thing about Adam returning in AaC is that he had no idea he would be fighting lizwizard, at the time he was trainig Carlos and he had no idea that they were going to be attacked, I mean he was retired but I mean even though he has the Zeo Powers, he might've left his Zeonizers at home because retired Rangers don't expect to be attacked


Wait he leaves his Zeonizers at home but takes out a morpher and coin that are damaged? I don't see the logic in that.

[Tommy5]

it was in his bag, he didn't have it when he just showed up outta knowhere to help Carlos

[Chriz]

it was in his bag, he didn't have it when he just showed up outta knowhere to help Carlos

Why was it in his bag but the other wasn't?

[Tommy5]

who knows?

[Xerox]

A ranger should always be expected to be attacked and ready to save the world at any time. Once a ranger, always a ranger! The Zeo powers are still alive. There's nothing to prove that they aren't.

[RyanRXP]

Wait he leaves his Zeonizers at home but takes out a morpher and coin that are damaged? I don't see the logic in that.

It was his first, it probable has personal meaning to him.

It was never said that they couldn't reform the Zeo crystal, but I'd bet they could.

If they could, they would(as it was a huge source of power) so they could keep it safe.

A ranger should always be expected to be attacked and ready to save the world at any time. Once a ranger, always a ranger! The Zeo powers are still alive. There's nothing to prove that they aren't.

Which brings up another thing to help my theory(that they reformed the Zeo crystal)

Why would Adam need to use his Black ranger powers, when he had his Zeo powers?

If they did reform the crystal, it would make sense.

Keep in mind that the Sentinal knight did not do all this in 2 minutes, he had time. If Adam had his Zeo powers, why not just teleport him home to get them? It would not have taken much time at all.

[RyanRXP]

I wasn't aware anyone said that.

Same thing here

ya me to! i wasn't aware of this

It is not common, but if you have a thread about forever red, or anything involving Turbo powers, there are always people who say they used the Zeo crystal to make the Turbo powers.

[RyanRXP]

forever red is cheap


It was nothing but a sad attempt at a good idea.

If they made it a 2-parter, and if Steve didn't move, it may have been much better(or much worse) right now, I say it was a 6 out of 10.


But this doesn't have much to do with this thread:D

[Red Master]

I went to work and thought about it,then found out chriz had already pointed it out.
And the zeonizers would teleport to their wrists so they could morph.If he still had his Zeo powers he could just call them to his wrists.If he had a set of stable powers,why would he use a damage morpher with little to no power that could kill him?
So that proves the Zeo powers were lost some how.

[RyanRXP]

So that proves the Zeo powers were lost some how.

That is very true.

It proves that Adam did not have his Zeo Powers durring In Space.

But it doesn't prove anything more than that.

We still don't know what happened to the powers, but we can not say that they turned into the Turbo powers, or anything else.

[Xerox]

I went to work and thought about it,then found out chriz had already pointed it out.
And the zeonizers would teleport to their wrists so they could morph.If he still had his Zeo powers he could just call them to his wrists.If he had a set of stable powers,why would he use a damage morpher with little to no power that could kill him?
So that proves the Zeo powers were lost some how.

It really doesn't prove that the Zeo powers were lost. It only proves that an episode would be more exciting if they put in a possibility that a fan favorite MMPR might die for a new ranger rather than having a green zeo ranger fight and save the day himself. Second scenario=not as exciting or dramatic.

[Ernde38]

It was nothing but a sad attempt at a good idea.

If they made it a 2-parter, and if Steve didn't move, it may have been much better(or much worse) right now, I say it was a 6 out of 10.


But this doesn't have much to do with this thread:D

Were they going to use Austin and Steve, or just Steve?

[Ernde38]

It really doesn't prove that the Zeo powers were lost. It only proves that an episode would be more exciting if they put in a possibility that a fan favorite MMPR might die for a new ranger rather than having a green zeo ranger fight and save the day himself. Second scenario=not as exciting or dramatic.

You now they were going along with the team-up idea though as well. If there's a team-up, they put the same colors together, and they knew that the Dino Coins weren't destroyed (storyline wise). They picked the Power Morpher over the Zeonizer thanks to the color, and the storyline. Plus, your statements about the drama factored into the episode as well. It HAD to of.

[RyanRXP]

It really doesn't prove that the Zeo powers were lost. It only proves that an episode would be more exciting if they put in a possibility that a fan favorite MMPR might die for a new ranger rather than having a green zeo ranger fight and save the day himself. Second scenario=not as exciting or dramatic.

Were they going to use Austin and Steve, or just Steve?

1. The Zeo powers were within him(durring Zeo) so they could have been easily used. Adam decided to use a morpher that could kill him. Why would he do that if he had his powers. So lost might be the wrong word, but he didn't have access to it.

2. Adam was not that popular back then(that came more from JYB than Adam)

3. I have only heard the story of why Steve wasn't there, but I'd think it is safe to say that both would have been in it.


Steve's story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAdeETutFh8&feature=related

[Ernde38]

1. The Zeo powers were within him(durring Zeo) so they could have been easily used. Adam decided to use a morpher that could kill him. Why would he do that if he had his powers. So lost might be the wrong word, but he didn't have access to it.

2. Adam was not that popular back then(that came more from JYB than Adam)

3. I have only heard the story of why Steve wasn't there, but I'd think it is safe to say that both would have been in it.


Steve's story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAdeETutFh8&feature=related

Eric must've been the "replacement" then. Would've been interesting to see if they would've said anything about both Jason and Rocky being a red MMPR.

[RyanRXP]

Eric must've been the "replacement" then. Would've been interesting to see if they would've said anything about both Jason and Rocky being a red MMPR.

I don't think he was a replacement. It seems like they just wrote Rocky out of the script.

I don't think there would be enough time to find him as a replacement. If there was a replacement, it would be Aurico.

[Ernde38]

I don't think he was a replacement. It seems like they just wrote Rocky out of the script.

I don't think there would be enough time to find him as a replacement. If there was a replacement, it would be Aurico.

Yeah, that's true, but IMO, Aurico is a true Red Ranger, and Eric isn't. Too bad Steve moved and they didn't know it. Hmmm, sounds like a good idea for a fanfic..."FR", with Rocky, without Eric...

[Ranger Black]

I thought the Zeo powers BECAME the turbo powers?

[Ernde38]

I thought the Zeo powers BECAME the turbo powers?

No. They weren't. The only thing the Zeo and Turbo Powers had in common, were the fact that the ranger colors were the same.

[RyanRXP]

I thought the Zeo powers BECAME the turbo powers?

Like I said, whenever you have a thread about either "Forever Red" or the Turbo powers, there is alway a few people who say this.


We don't know what happened to the Zeo powers, or how they made the Turbo powers.

It is posible that they did use the Zeo powers to make them.

We don't know how any powers are made, so in Forever Red, they may have been able to extract the Zeo powers, and then maybe use another sub-crystal to power up TJ's morpher.


We don't know, and that is why I still don't have a position on this topic.


No. They weren't. The only thing the Zeo and Turbo Powers had in common, were the fact that the ranger colors were the same.

As I said, we don't know how they made the Turbo powers, so you can't just say they didn't do it.

[Tommy5]

The Turbo Powers could've been made from part of the Zeo Crystal

[Red Master]

TheDragonRanger
It really doesn't prove that the Zeo powers were lost. It only proves that an episode would be more exciting if they put in a possibility that a fan favorite MMPR might die for a new ranger rather than having a green zeo ranger fight and save the day himself. Second scenario=not as exciting or dramatic.

I know why the writers did so.But thats not an "in universe explination".Adam wouldn't risk his life carelessly.Adams motivation was not to get rateings.Your acting like Adam was breaking the fourth wall.If he had safe to use Zeo powers he would have used them.

[Xerox]

I know why the writers did so.But thats not an "in universe explination".Adam wouldn't risk his life carelessly.Adams motivation was not to get rateings.Your acting like Adam was breaking the fourth wall.If he had safe to use Zeo powers he would have used them.

Well the "in universe" explanation is created by the writers. Since they decided to leave it out, there's no sense in debating about it. We can all make and exchange interesting theories but there's no point in arguing about it. Currently, there is no real answer. This was the closest I could come to having an absolutely accurate theory.

[Xerox]

Why would you say Forever Red centered around Andros and other Red Rangers? It took place during Wild Force, so I'd say it'd be about him and the other red rangers.

[Jiemusu]

Yeah Forever Red pretty much was focused on Cole, I mean he got the final victory.

[Green Space Ranger]

Well it was in the Wild Force season, so it would make sense that he would end up being the hero

[Jiemusu]

Well it was in the Wild Force season, so it would make sense that he would end up being the hero

Of course, it made sense.

But I wish Serpenterra put up more of a fight lol, it was over in like a flash, with A FLYING BIKE? o_O lol. Not even the Red Dragon Thunderzord could stop it.

[Green Space Ranger]

Well by this point Serpenterra was pretty old and had been burried underground. so it wasnt exactly brand new.

[Xerox]

Looking back, it's strange I didn't see that. I just re-watched both Forever Red and The Power Transfer recently and only now noticed it. Plus, Serpentera shoulda been MUCH bigger in Forever Red.

[Ernde38]

Forever red about andros & other red rangers - forever red is not ABOUT turbo and zeo powers

It's about the remnants of The Machine Empire, and 10 red rangers trying to take them down. Nobody said it was about the powers, but we would've liked an explanation on why the Zeo Powers stopped being used, altogether, it they're linked to the Turbo Powersm, and how Jason, and TJ's powers returned to them in "Forever Red".

[Tidus21]

Jason's power coin if it was duplicated may have been restored by the Z wave. It was intact and functioning without power to link to the Morhping Grid. The Z wave powered it up and linked back to the morphing grid and became functional again. but thats a theory

Tommy's Zeo crystal was never destroyed and up to that point he never did give up the power.

TJ got his powers from Lightning cruiser just like Justin got his from Storm Blaster in the team up episode.

[Fire Wolf Ranger]

Jason's power coin if it was duplicated may have been restored by the Z wave. It was intact and functioning without power to link to the Morhping Grid. The Z wave powered it up and linked back to the morphing grid and became functional again. but thats a theory

Tommy's Zeo crystal was never destroyed and up to that point he never did give up the power.

TJ got his powers from Lightning cruiser just like Justin got his from Storm Blaster in the team up episode.

If the Z-wave theory was true,then the SK would have no need to restore Adams powers.The ones that I've heard is an interaction with the Gold Ranger powers,the power simply returning to Jasons coin,Zordon using the same trick he used on the Dragon coin and Tommy using some of the limitless power of the Zeo Crystal.

[Tidus21]

If the Z-wave theory was true,then the SK would have no need to restore Adams powers.The ones that I've heard is an interaction with the Gold Ranger powers,the power simply returning to Jasons coin,Zordon using the same trick he used on the Dragon coin and Tommy using some of the limitless power of the Zeo Crystal.

Well thats the thing SK said he restored the retro ranger's ranger powers but we know that he didnt need to restore everyone's power because Bridge had a morpher that was completely working. SK said that in a general sense so that I restored tori's power, then to this person and then that...

Also Zack's morpher may have been to damaged to repair with just a Z wave. Jason's power coin tho was perfectly fine just without any power and the Z wave may have restored its power and connection to the power grid.

[Jiemusu]

If the Z-wave theory was true,then the SK would have no need to restore Adams powers.The ones that I've heard is an interaction with the Gold Ranger powers,the power simply returning to Jasons coin,Zordon using the same trick he used on the Dragon coin and Tommy using some of the limitless power of the Zeo Crystal.

Tommy (White), Adam, Rocky, Aisha, Billy and Kimberly were ALL affected by the Ninja Quest.

Jason, Trini and Zack were not.

This is shown by the Sentinal Knight being forced to restore ADAM'S coin, POST-Power Transfer, but not PRE-Power Transfer.

Basically Jason, Zack and Trini all had powerless coins (since coins are useless without the power) or at least far too little power to harness a morph until the Z Wave, which was a wild and uncontrolled reactment of the events on Tommy's coin in 'Return of an Old Friend'.

All the other dino coins were damaged in Ninja Quest, they still existed as objects but the coins were broken and couldn't be used.

Adam morphed because there was still energy left in his morpher, he took a chance... a brave chance.

Adam's coin wasn't restored by the Z Wave because it was damaged beyond repair. Sentinal Knight had to restore it.

[Green Space Ranger]

Thats presuming it chose them three, maybe they mixed them up abit

[Jiemusu]

I don't think the Z Wave chose anyone. Like I said, it was wild and uncontrolled.

[Green Space Ranger]

exactly, so there is the possiblity that it restored both Jason and Adam's powers.

[Jiemusu]

IMO I don't think it restored Adam's coin. Mainly because Sentinal Knight had to restore it later, and also Adam's coin was damaged beyond repair anyway in Ninja Quest (i.e. the coin pretty much became shattered), then he used up all the remaining energy in the morpher. IMO the Sentinal Knight had to restore Adam's later.

I feel a coin and morpher need 'some' energy within them in order to be restored. Restoring a completely empty coin and morpher without anything to restore might be a bit difficult.

If Adam's was restored by the Z Wave, so would Tommy's. Tommy didn't use his in Dino Thunder. So IMO it only refers to the pre-transfer Rangers.

That's just me though.

[Green Space Ranger]

oh i do apologuies, i forgot about sentianal knight lol my bad

[Jiemusu]

No worries. :D I like to pretend Once a Ranger doesn't exist often, but sometimes it has it's uses. :p