Why do most people think evil green ranger was more powerful then good

[King]

Prior to the Green Candle nothing happened to Tommy's powers to make him weaker as a good guy then as a bad guy. So why do people think the Green ranger powers all of a sudden became weaker when Tommy turned good(prior to the green candle)? I admit he was cooler as evil green but that has nothing to do with his powers.

[RyanRXP]

He wasn't weaker. It was easier for him to fight the rangers because if you are evil you don't have to look out for others.

[Titanium Ranger]

That maybe is because Evil Green was basically ruthless, destroying the Command Center and everything. After that, (at least for a while) Tommy came when needed. As for the 'weaker' debate, I believe there was the green candle plot, during which his powers were meant to fade away. At that time he would've been relatively weaker to what he started out as.

[Question]

Evil Green massacred a team of more experienced Rangers. Good Green was often shown to be comparable to the others in power.

It's not unique to him, though. It's a trade-off in the PRU (in general, before someone quotes me with a half dozen examples otherwise) - being evil makes you stronger, but you're going to lose anyway.

[RyanRXP]

Evil rangers also have to deal with the emotional scarring of being controlled and causing tons of damage.

[Question]

On a kids' show? Not usually.

Maybe they're guilty for an episode or two, but it's rarely scarring.

[DTGR]

Evil rangers only care about themselves or their master, making them free of emotion and they can do whatever they want, utilising their full power, while good rangers are just as strong, they reserve themselves, so they don't hurt anyone.

[Jiemusu]

Well basically, when Tommy was evil he had nothing to hold him back. Under the command and loyalty to Zordon, Tommy had to abide by certain rules and restrictions. Self defence, not to escalate battles unless forced too, fair fight. Basically, when Tommy was evil, he didn't have to worry about this, he didn't worry about hurting friends, he focused on offence, he would happily escalate the battle further to serve Rita, he would always try to gain the upper hand without guilt.

Not only this but his style of morph and teleportation, his powers were charged, energized and (although attached to the morphin grid) powered by a source other than the command centre and Zordon. Tommy's extra power came from Rita Repulsa's dark magic. Ergo, his morph and teleportations were different.

When Tommy was evil, he was more than powerful enough to toss 4 rangers around easily, like he was the strength of one of Rita's monsters. Because he was powered by the same source that makes these monsters as powerful as they are.

[King]

Question how was Green ranger often shown to be comparable to the other rangers in power prior to the Green candle? Also, how does being evil make you stronger? In some cases being evil has made the evil rangers opponents go easier on said evil ranger because they know its not really him/her, but that has nothing to do with that ranger being more powerful.

As for the argument of he was evil so he only cared about himself and he was more ruthless, free of emotion, and all this other stuff that comes along with being evil. If that stuff really makes evil more powerful then how come good guys always win? A more powerful evil Tommy didn't even beat Jason in the last episode of Green with evil. In general good always beats evil in the end so on paper all that would seem to make him less powerful.


And Green ranger was powered by the same thing when he was both good and evil. That thing was the green power coin.

[Jiemusu]

Question how was Green ranger often shown to be comparable to the other rangers in power prior to the Green candle? Also, how does being evil make you stronger? In some cases being evil has made the evil rangers opponents go easier on said evil ranger because they know its not really him/her, but that has nothing to do with that ranger being more powerful.

As for the argument of he was evil so he only cared about himself and he was more ruthless, free of emotion, and all this other stuff that comes along with being evil. If that stuff really makes evil more powerful then how come good guys always win? A more powerful evil Tommy didn't even beat Jason in the last episode of Green with evil. In general good always beats evil in the end so on paper all that would seem to make him less powerful.


And Green ranger was powered by the same thing when he was both good and evil. That thing was the green power coin.

The Dragon coin was stolen by Rita from Zordon a long time ago, and she infused Tommy's energy with the coin using her dark magic. Tommy didn't even morph, so to speak, the first time. If you look at the spliced Zyuranger footage of Burai mummified, it shows Tommy underwent an operation (so to speak) to be infused with the dark magic. How else do you explain the morph and teleportation?

As the Evil Green Ranger, Tommy was practically more than a match for the rangers, the strength of one of Rita's monsters. When he turned good, he was far more mellow and ws no longer the strength of one monster. He became even with the Red Ranger.

And technically in MMPR1, not once did goodness 'overcome' the Evil Green Ranger. At the time, he was practically unstoppable. Tommy was beaten because Jason aimed a blow at his hand, forcing him to drop the sword. Shocked, Tommy fell to the floor, he still reached for his sword. If you look at this, reaching for his sword, shows that he wasn't defeated yet. Jason destroyed the sword. As soon as the sword was destroyed, Tommy demorphed.

The sword was the Sword of Darkness, powered by Rita's dark magic. Tommy was fine until the sword was destroyed, then he demorphed, note the Evil Green demorphing energy.

[King]

Zyuranger footage has nothing to do with it because the footage you brought up never made it to MMPR in the same way as Zyu. As for him morphing, using a morpher or having a morphing sequence isn't the only way to morph. Just because Rita had him morph in another way doesn't mean he has different powers. Nor does him teleporting differently.

Where is your proof that Tommy wasn't as strong? I hear you say he was more mellow and only as strong as the red ranger and no longer as strong as one of Rita's monsters and yet I don't see you posting any examples of how thats true. I don't know if you remember this or not, but like 3 or 4 episodes after GWE Tommy as the green ranger knocked a fully grown monster on his ass with a couple of blasts from the dragon dagger. His shield (although not on him when it happened) was also able to block a blast from Titanus. That doesn't seem like any less power to me.

Goodness never overcame Tommy, the evil spell was lifted. The spell wasn't on Tommy's powers it was on Tommy the person. The Sword of Darkness was in no way connected to Tommy's powers. It was simply to keep Tommy evil. That was its purpose. It was connected to the spell not the powers. And Tommy didn't fall to the floor because he was shocked he fell because he was hurt.

[Question]

Question how was Green ranger often shown to be comparable to the other rangers in power prior to the Green candle?

While he was evil, he kicked their asses. When he turned good, he was rarely shown to be more powerful than them, Dragonzord aside.

Also, how does being evil make you stronger? In some cases being evil has made the evil rangers opponents go easier on said evil ranger because they know its not really him/her, but that has nothing to do with that ranger being more powerful.

Evil Green had a lightning orb blast thing that raped the Rangers. Did good Tommy ever once utilize such a powerful attack against Rita or Zedd? Never. Logic dictates he couldn't do it anymore, so he was weaker.

As for the argument of he was evil so he only cared about himself and he was more ruthless, free of emotion, and all this other stuff that comes along with being evil. If that stuff really makes evil more powerful then how come good guys always win? A more powerful evil Tommy didn't even beat Jason in the last episode of Green with evil. In general good always beats evil in the end so on paper all that would seem to make him less powerful.

Because... it's a children's television show?

It's just a law of the PRU. Evil is stronger, but good always triumphs.

[King]

While he was evil, he kicked their asses. When he turned good, he was rarely shown to be more powerful than them, Dragonzord aside.



Evil Green had a lightning orb blast thing that raped the Rangers. Did good Tommy ever once utilize such a powerful attack against Rita or Zedd? Never. Logic dictates he couldn't do it anymore, so he was weaker.



Because... it's a children's television show?

It's just a law of the PRU. Evil is stronger, but good always triumphs.

- So knocking down a fully grown monster on his ass isn't shown to be more powerful then them? Having a shield that can take a blast from Titanus doesn't show that either?

- Yes he did. Again, he blasted a fully grown monster knocking him down.

- Evil is not stronger. They may look more badass and are flashier but that doesn't equal stronger.

[Jiemusu]

Zyuranger footage has nothing to do with it because the footage you brought up never made it to MMPR. As for him morphing, using a morpher or having a morphing sequence isn't the only way to morph. Just because Rita had him morph in another way doesn't mean he has different powers. Nor does him teleporting differently.

No, look closey, the part of the Zyuranger footage I am referring to actually featured in GWE if you look closely. Tommy went through a procedure.

Where is your proof that Tommy wasn't as strong? I hear you say he was more mellow and only as strong as the red ranger and no longer as strong as one of Rita's monsters and yet I don't see you posting any examples of how thats true. I don't know if you remember this or not, but like 3 or 4 episodes after GWE Tommy as the green ranger knocked a fully grown monster on his ass with a couple of blasts from the dragon dagger. His shield (although not on him when it happened) was also able to block a blast from Titanus. That doesn't seem like any less power to me.

I hate to break it to you but, that wasn't Tommy as the good Green Ranger mate, that was Jason as the Red Ranger with the Dragon shield.

Good Green Ranger with shield = Red Ranger

Red Ranger with shield > Good Green Ranger with shield = Red Ranger > Green Ranger without shield.

Goodness never overcame Tommy, the evil spell was lifted. The spell wasn't on Tommy's powers it was on Tommy the person. The Sword of Darkness was in no way connected to Tommy's powers. It was simply to keep Tommy evil. That was its purpose. It was connected to the spell not the powers. And Tommy didn't fall to the floor because he was shocked he fell because he was hurt.

Now you even haven't watched Power Rangers, or you really like Tommy.

It's fact that when the Sword was destroyed, Tommy demorphed soon after. It happened, it's not a debate. You don't debate if something happened, you debate what something means. We saw it happened, there's no debate.

He wasn't defeated because he was still reaching for the sword, the fight wasn't over yet.

[Question]

- So knocking down a fully grown monster on his ass isn't shown to be more powerful then them? Having a shield that can take a blast from Titanus doesn't show that either?

I did say rarely. You've shown two examples in, what, fifty episodes where the Green MMPR was a good guy?

And the first shouldn't even count. The core Rangers could knock monsters off their feet too.

- Yes he did. Again, he blasted a fully grown monster knocking him down.

So Green Ranger, the good version, used the laser attack shown at 0:40 in this video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=bPqV9r8WgHk)? Yeah, I call shenanigans on that one. You're going to have to cite an episode where he did that.

- Evil is not stronger. They may look more badass and are flashier but that doesn't equal stronger.

Evil is always more powerful. Look at, well, nearly every episode of PR ever. Teams of five Rangers battle one monster at a time, or a number of grunts larger than the number of Rangers. The one monster? Usually a match for the entire team at once, often beating the team in combat. Evil, on paper, has the advantage, but in the PRU, evil is destined to lose.

Why are people arguing with me on this? Just because the PR win doesn't make them more powerful. It just means they won. Fights aren't decided solely by power level - heart counts, and the PR have that in spades.

[King]

- I know what you are talking about and she wasn't infusing him with dark magic she was infusing him with the green ranger powers.

- No it wasn't Tommy. It was Jason using part of Tommy's powers which means my point, which is that the green powers weren't any weaker, still stands. How can you say good green with shield is only = to Jason without shield? If that were the case then Jason could have taken that blast without the shield. Its obvious that the green ranger is more powerful then all of them both good and evil.

- When the sword was destroyed the spell was lifted. Thats why he demorphed. The sword had nothing to do with his powers. If it did then it would have been present from the beginning. The swords only purpose was to keep Tommy evil forever.....And yes, he was defeated. He got knocked on his ass and ended up demorphed and dizzy. Thats a loss. He sure as hell didn't win that fight.

@ Question

- There are 12 episodes between GWE and the Green candle (the episode where he actually does become weaker from there on out) so i've shown 2 examples out of 12 episodes not 50.

- He didn't use the dragon ball z style attacked but in "the spit flower" he used one that looked a lot worst then that DBZ ball and by himself knocked a fully grown monster down (as apposed to 5 small rangers) just before it was about to step on the 5 mmpr's that you guys seem to think was on par with his power now that he was good.

- During most of the fights either the monster has a special power that does something to the rangers and as soon as they get out of it they beat the crap out of the monster or they fight the monster for a bit, get there asses kicked, and then come back with a weapon (battilizer, power up, or team weapon) to beat him that if they would have used it from the beginning the battle probably would have been over. On paper evil is out powered. But the battle's have to last longer or else there wouldn't be a show so they make the rangers use the big guns at the end after they get there asses beat.

[Question]

@ Question

- There are 12 episodes between GWE and the Green candle (the episode where he actually does become weaker from there on out) so i've shown 2 examples out of 12 episodes not 50.

Still isn't even a majority.

- He didn't use the dragon ball z style attacked but in "the spit flower" he used one that looked a lot worst then that DBZ ball and by himself knocked a fully grown monster down (as apposed to 5 small rangers) just before it was about to step on the 5 mmpr's that you guys seem to think was on par with his power now that he was good.

Again, episode title or I call shenanigans. I'm not watching a dozen episodes of MMPR just to find out you're remembering wrong.

- During most of the fights either the monster has a special power that does something to the rangers and as soon as they get out of it they beat the crap out of the monster or they fight the monster for a bit, get there asses kicked, and then come back with a weapon (battilizer, power up, or team weapon) to beat him that if they would have used it from the beginning the battle probably would have been over.

I've seen PR once or twice, yes. Describing a typical episodes was a little unnecessary.

On paper evil is out powered. But the battle's have to last longer or else there wouldn't be a show so they make the rangers use the big guns at the end after they get there asses beat.

And toward the end of the season where the big bads knock the crap out of the battilizers and the zords? I see your theory fails to address this.

Or how about before the battilizer debuts?

The battilizer evens the balance of power, it doesn't skew things in the Rangers' favor as much as you're suggesting.

[King]

- Green with evil was 5 episodes and Tommy did the blast thing once which means that wasn't a majority either. The reason why there isn't more examples in those 12 episodes is because Tommy showed up late to battles in those episodes meaning he was basically there for the zord battles. But being late doesn't make him less powerful.

- I did give you the episode.

- He didn't use the dragon ball z style attacked but in "the spit flower" he used one that looked a lot worst then that DBZ ball and by himself knocked a fully grown monster down (as apposed to 5 small rangers) just before it was about to step on the 5 mmpr's that you guys seem to think was on par with his power now that he was good.

- One big villain at the end stronger then the rangers compared to all the villains in the middle of the season being weaker doesn't weaken my argument. Especially since I'm speaking in general (meaning I know there are some evil villains stronger then the good guys). At the end of the day who is more powerful doesn't depend on what side your fighting on it depends on your power. And usually the good guys have the most power. In cases where a bad guy turns good he doesn't become less powerful because as I said what side your fighting on doesn't dictate how powerful you are, your actual powers does that. Tommy would have to do more then have a spell lifted from him to be less powerful.