Is Tommy overrated?

[King]

Simple question

[ForeverBlack]

He got plenty more than what other rangers had gotten.In a way,yes,but I don't mind having him on the shows.

[Primal Slayer]

Yes moreso than any other Ranger. But ofcourse its only because he was around for so long and was such a central charecter.

[Rebelde]

YES. He is WAY too overrated... People act like he IS pr...

[Gauntlet_Ranger]

NO look at all he has done and then realize this: TOMMY IS THE GREATEST RANGER EVER!!!!

[ForeverBlack]

NO look at all he has done and then realize this: TOMMY IS THE GREATEST RANGER EVER!!!!

Yeah,you prove that he's overated even more.

[RyanRXP]

Tommy is slightly overrated. He is no longer the clear choice greatest, but he is still top 3.

[Rebelde]

NO look at all he has done and then realize this: TOMMY IS THE GREATEST RANGER EVER!!!!

that's why people think he's overrated...

[RyanRXP]

that's why people think he's overrated...

See you can do an overrated thread with Tommy.:p

Now will you be happy with mine.

[Rebelde]

See you can do an overrated thread with Tommy.:p

Now will you be happy with mine.

lol, sorry for being a d***...

[King]

NO look at all he has done and then realize this: TOMMY IS THE GREATEST RANGER EVER!!!!

He's done a lot and is probably top 3 rangers ever, but I don't think he is the greatest. Especially since his years as a green ranger sucked. He was constantly late to battles and was losing his powers. Now some of that wasn't his fault but that doesn't change the fact that it happened and that he was an inconsistent team member. He was also an inconsistent team member in DT. Sometimes he showed up to battle with them, other times he opted to stay behind.

[Jyukai Rahziel Azu]

I like Tommy, but I always root for the under dog. I loved Zack and Adam(I was a shy kid like him)

[Ranger Black]

No way is Tommy overrated. He's done so much in the PR universe. He was evil, who became good. Only to have his powers taken away. Then he got temporary powers and STILL fought, knowing he would lose them. Then returns as a NEW ranger and kicks ass. Then new powers emerge again, leading a team into the unknown. Again new powers which he willingly passes on. He returns again to lead leaders into battle on the moon. Then, becomes a mentor and gains more new powers. 1 word_____________ LEGEND!!!

[ForeverBlack]

Then he got temporary powers and STILL fought, knowing he would lose them.

Same with OO,though they fought without any powers at all against their enemies.Forgot which episode,but it was at Stonehenge...Once a Ranger.

[RyanRXP]

Same with OO,though they fought without any powers at all against their enemies.Forgot which episode,but it was at Stonehenge...Once a Ranger.

You can not say they had no powers, they had super powers(another one of disney's bad ideas)

[Izout]

YES. He is WAY too overrated... People act like he IS pr...

Well, he is, in a way. He's pretty much the guy that defines PR. Ask any none-fan who remembers the show and they will know his character. He's pretty much the ultimate ideal boy-hood dream.

[King]

You can not say they had no powers, they had super powers(another one of disney's bad ideas)

Genetic powers vs. super villains don't do a damn thing.

[Rebelde]

Well, he is, in a way. He's pretty much the guy that defines PR. Ask any none-fan who remembers the show and they will know his character. He's pretty much the ultimate ideal boy-hood dream.

yeah... hte NON fans that remember it...

but I mean the real fans that know every season...

[ForeverBlack]

You can not say they had no powers, they had super powers(another one of disney's bad ideas)

And those powers weren't enough in that battle..I wouldn't call them powers anyway.

[Primal Slayer]

Everyone I have talked to about PowerRangers just in passing doesnt even specifie Tommy. They talk more about the Pink Ranger and Red Ranger, along with the team in general.

Tommy may have helped PR become even more popular but today people remember the whole team not just Tommy. They remember more about the black guy being the black ranger etc...

[ForeverBlack]

You could have at least named him,its Zack..and the whole African American being the 'Black' Ranger caused some trouble.

[SweetieUHadMe]

GOD yes!!!!

[Primal Slayer]

I know who he is. But people in general do not remember the black guy was named Zack.

[RyanRXP]

And those powers weren't enough in that battle..I wouldn't call them powers anyway.

So Superman, the Flash, and the X-Men all have no powers?

[ForeverBlack]

Yeah,they have powers,and those were all they had..Power Rangers don't use them as heavily as Super 'Heroes'..

and I hate that term..'The Black Guy'

[RyanRXP]

Yeah,they have powers,and those were all they had..Power Rangers don't use them as heavily as Super 'Heroes'..

and I hate that term..'The Black Guy'

If the flash has powers than so does Ronny. The only difference is that the flash has stronger powers.

[ForeverBlack]

Yeah..but we're talking power rangers,not Marvel or Darkhorse comics...know what I mean?..

Flash,Green Lanturn,Superman,none of them needed to Morph into a new form,they're powers were ALL they had,and they had to get by with that.

[RyanRXP]

Yeah..but we're talking power rangers,not Marvel or Darkhorse comics...know what I mean?..

Flash,Green Lanturn,Superman,none of them needed to Morph into a new form,they're powers were ALL they had,and they had to get by with that.

You said they were not powers.

I wouldn't call them powers anyway.

If you can admit that they had powers, we can go back to Tommy.

[ForeverBlack]

I meant power as in 'Power' Ranger...and for the genetic thing,you can see that it didn't work too well.

[Hear All]

To everyone who says Tommy is overrated...

- Longest serving Ranger Ever

- Second longest serving overall Power Rangers character (Bulk is #1)

- Has a personal connection to every season except Mystic Force, Operation Overdrive and Jungle Fury

- The only character to be 2 different Red Rangers

- First Ranger to lead a team while not being Red

- Only ranger to have 3 different forms in the same seris (Green, White and Ninja)

- Only Ranger to have two on screen romances (he's a player to lol)

- First Wildcard Ranger ever

- First Evil Ranger ever

- Only Ranger to have two different theme songs

- He has been 5 different Rangers and 4 different colours

End of discussion

[King]

- Longest serving Ranger Ever

Tommy's had more screen time but he is not the longest serving ranger ever. Andros, the alien rangers, and possibly the gold ranger all have served longer then him.


- Second longest serving overall Power Rangers character (Bulk is #1)

- Has a personal connection to every season except Mystic Force, Operation Overdrive and Jungle Fury

- The only character to be 2 different Red Rangers

- First Ranger to lead a team while not being Red

- Only Ranger to have two on screen romances (he's a player to lol)

- First Wildcard Ranger ever

- First Evil Ranger ever

- Only Ranger to have two different theme songs


All of those are irrelevant to whether or not he was a good ranger. Plus, making a video tape of events in PR history doesn't count as a personal connection.


- Only ranger to have 3 different forms in the same seris (Green, White and Ninja)

- He has been 5 different Rangers and 4 different colours

Those are also irrelevant factors to how good of a ranger he was. Especially since the reason why he went from Green to white tiger to white ninja was because he kept losing the previous powers. At least when somebody like Bridge goes from Green to blue to red its because he's getting promoted.

[golden_phantom_ranger]

i would say that he is alittle over rated. yes he is prolly the best ranger but i mean i dont think power rangers would have stuggled with out his character

[Rebelde]

... He doesn't have a personal connection to Time force or lightspeed or SPD to mention a few
And being the first evil ranger isn't that big...

[ForeverBlack]

And being the first evil ranger isn't that big...

Sort of an honor,but not too big,yeah.

[Scaletex]

All the screen time just means that he was good at sucking up to Saban. Disney merely exploited that for its own purposes. Also, many of his early on-screen accomplishments cannot even be credited to him. The stunt double Seiji Takaiwa deserves credit for that, not JDF.

The actor was not that great, nor the character incredibly spectacular. It's simply that both were spoiled, and were given everything. Perhaps it's not that Tommy is overrated, but that so many others are underrated. Bridge? Eric? Cassie? At least as spectacular of characters, but most of them only get two seasons at best before the actors' contracts completely expire.

[Izout]

All the screen time just means that he was good at sucking up to Saban. Disney merely exploited that for its own purposes.

This part right here tells me you have no idea what you're talking about.

Perhaps it's not that Tommy is overrated, but that so many others are underrated. Bridge? Eric? Cassie? At least as spectacular of characters, but most of them only get two seasons at best before the actors' contracts completely expire.

Oh, none of these characters are underrated, not by a long shot.

[Tidus21]

Tommy's had more screen time but he is not the longest serving ranger ever. Andros, the alien rangers, and possibly the gold ranger all have served longer then him.

All of those are irrelevant to whether or not he was a good ranger. Plus, making a video tape of events in PR history doesn't count as a personal connection.

Those are also irrelevant factors to how good of a ranger he was. Especially since the reason why he went from Green to white tiger to white ninja was because he kept losing the previous powers. At least when somebody like Bridge goes from Green to blue to red its because he's getting promoted.


I guess the best thing to say is that Tommy is the longest known serving ranger. For one we dont know how long before Andros, the alien rangers and the gold ranger had been serving as rangers nor after C2D. Also the gold ranger powers were passed down the lineage so it isnt known how long the prince of triforia had the powers.

in the spectrum of the first season to jungle fury, Tommy is known with ultimate facts the longest serving ranger. Unless proving otherwise with a cold hard statement stating how long the others served, we should just assume tommy is the longest when we know he may not be.

[Tidus21]

Tommy i believe is not overrated, but due to the overexposure to the fans of Tommy, alot of people became disgruntled with the character. I dont blame people cause many story lines became Tommy oriented.

Could PR have continued on with the constant cast changes without the focus on Tommy...yeah no doubt. But when the cast changes were going into effect, there was no other character that had leader quality and a fan base to sustain the show through the many different cast changes.

Take a look at Rocky, he was pushed to be the second in command leader because he was the red ranger and see where that got him, hated for his red ranger run. Then you noticed that Tommy started to get a good amount of screen time while billy and kim were behind him. Then it allowed for adam, rocky and aiesha to slowly work their way into the fold.

What im saying is that PR could have done it without the emphasis on tommy but with it on him, it made things easier and Saban knew it had a stable fan base with Tommy at the helm.

So why not do something that is a sure bet and will work?

[King]

I guess the best thing to say is that Tommy is the longest known serving ranger. For one we dont know how long before Andros, the alien rangers and the gold ranger had been serving as rangers nor after C2D. Also the gold ranger powers were passed down the lineage so it isnt known how long the prince of triforia had the powers.

in the spectrum of the first season to jungle fury, Tommy is known with ultimate facts the longest serving ranger. Unless proving otherwise with a cold hard statement stating how long the others served, we should just assume tommy is the longest when we know he may not be.

We have no way of knowing about the Gold ranger, but with Andros, he was active at least 2 years before PRIS (and probably more since him and Zhane had made a name for themselves before Zhanes injury), during PRIS, and for a few years after LG since he said in forever red that he had been tracking the machine empire for the last few years. The alien ranger however are probably the longest known serving rangers since they got there zords from Ninjor a millennium ago.

[Jiemusu]

Tommy's had more screen time but he is not the longest serving ranger ever. Andros, the alien rangers, and possibly the gold ranger all have served longer then him.

Don't forget about Lienbow and Daggeron, they were serving for Ranger-causes (despite not being rangers, technically) long before Tommy was even born.

All of those are irrelevant to whether or not he was a good ranger. Plus, making a video tape of events in PR history doesn't count as a personal connection.

True. By this logic, we could all be nominations for best Ranger ever because we know about what the rangers all did.

Billy created technology and repaired technology for the Rangers, I think that's alot more impressive than making a video on Ranger history.

Those are also irrelevant factors to how good of a ranger he was. Especially since the reason why he went from Green to white tiger to white ninja was because he kept losing the previous powers. At least when somebody like Bridge goes from Green to blue to red its because he's getting promoted.

Again true. Bridge was promoted because he had served S.P.D very well. He was never late for missions, and he was always there to offer his expertise to the max. When Jack left, Bridge was promoted. When Sky became Commander, Bridge was promoted again because of his lifelong service.

Tommy? Sulked every day as the Green Ranger, and was nearly always late for missions because he was 'doing his own thing'. From this, we know that Tommy was putting his personal life over his work, seriously. Suddenly, sucking Zordon's c**k, he becomes a much more powerful ranger and leader.

Tommy is defiantly overrated.

[King]

^^^Lienbow and daggeron don't count since they aren't rangers.

[Jiemusu]

^^^Lienbow and daggeron don't count since they aren't rangers.

I guess that's true, I meant in terms of service for Ranger-causes in general. My bad, should have mentioned that.

[Hear All]

Tommy's had more screen time but he is not the longest serving ranger ever. Andros, the alien rangers, and possibly the gold ranger all have served longer then him.

Im talking on-screen. Andros's experience has been with Zhane most of the time anyways, so he's not an experienced leader. Same thing with Trey, solo.

All of those are irrelevant to whether or not he was a good ranger. Plus, making a video tape of events in PR history doesn't count as a personal connection.

Its his records, stuff that no one else has done, i'm just pointing out.

And he does have a personal connection, Forever Red connects him with every team up to Wild Force, "Thunder Storm" connects him to the Ninja Storm team, obviously being in Dino Thunder and "Wormhole" connects his to SPD. I would count Mystic Force and Operation Overdrive since he did get mentioned in OAR

Those are also irrelevant factors to how good of a ranger he was. Especially since the reason why he went from Green to white tiger to white ninja was because he kept losing the previous powers. At least when somebody like Bridge goes from Green to blue to red its because he's getting promoted.

Thats just stuff no one has done and probably will never do. It just shows his status

[King]

So what if all there experience isn't as a leader? If anything they are better rangers because they had to do everything themselves.

Tommy is connected to every red ranger from MMPR-WF which any red ranger from MMPR-WF can say since they were all there. He knows about 3 more red rangers then everybody else from Forever red but thats still irrelevant to whether he's the best or not.

If your list of irrelevant things are the reason why you think Tommy is so great then you are proving everybody who says Tommy is overrated to be right.

[Hear All]

How am I proving everyone right? Some of Tommys accomplishments I listed might not have made him smarter, stronger or faster, but it shows that he made his mark in the PR Record Book. Tommy has done things that some Rangers can never imagine of doing, it also shows Tommy's dedication to the Power Rangers Franchise. He's been around through the best and worst of times.

[King]

You're proving everybody right because you're basing his "greatness" off of irrelevant things. Having more theme songs and on screen romances then everybody doesn't have a thing to do with him being a good ranger whereas if somebody talks about Wes, Jen, or Andros being great they'll bring up things they actually did that has to do with them being a ranger and thats relevant to there quality as a ranger.

[Hear All]

^^Alright lets roll with that


- Tommy has had some serious character growth (it probably rivals Billys) he went from a irresponsible, forgetful teenager to a experienced team leader. Then he went from an experienced team leader to an intelligent team mentor. You agree character growth is important right?

- Tommy has shown dedication, he stayed on the team even though his Green Ranger powers were not at 100% and could be gone during any fight. You agree dedication is important?

- He's shown that hes a good leader, during Ninja Quest he led his team through the Desert of Despair with no Ranger powers, and even though he lost the Dino Coins prior he didn't give up and found a solution.

- Tommy's shown hes one of the most skilled fighters ever, just by watching him do the unmorphed fights against the putties and sparring with Jason, Adam and Rocky you can see how skilled he was. Skill is important

- Tommy also led his Zeo team (with help from Trey) to defeat Mondo.

- Tommy mentored his Dino Thunder team and supplied them with Zords and equipment, he of course got help from Hayley though

Got enough?

[King]

^^Alright lets roll with that


- Tommy has had some serious character growth (it probably rivals Billys) he went from a irresponsible, forgetful teenager to a experienced team leader. Then he went from an experienced team leader to an intelligent team mentor. You agree character growth is important right?

- Tommy has shown dedication, he stayed on the team even though his Green Ranger powers were not at 100% and could be gone during any fight. You agree dedication is important?

- He's shown that hes a good leader, during Ninja Quest he led his team through the Desert of Despair with no Ranger powers, and even though he lost the Dino Coins prior he didn't give up and found a solution.

- Tommy's shown hes one of the most skilled fighters ever, just by watching him do the unmorphed fights against the putties and sparring with Jason, Adam and Rocky you can see how skilled he was. Skill is important

- Tommy also led his Zeo team (with help from Trey) to defeat Mondo.

- Tommy mentored his Dino Thunder team and supplied them with Zords and equipment, he of course got help from Hayley though

Got enough?

- He's shown character growth but the fact that he was that irresponsible and forgetful teenager while in the form people consider to be his best shows how overrated he is.

- He was dedicated and that is a good ranger quality. As I said earlier he is probably top 3 when it comes to rangers and his dedication is a big part of that.

- Go rewatch ninja quest. Billy lead them more through the desert then Tommy. He was the one with the map and when the map burned Billy went straight off of memory.

- Yes he is skilled and that is another reason why I say he is top 3.

- As a mentor Tommy was good in DT but as a ranger not so much. He didn't even always show up to battle and with all his experience he still got showed up by somebody who had been a ranger for a few days.

[Hear All]

- He's shown character growth but the fact that he was that irresponsible and forgetful teenager while in the form people consider to be his best shows how overrated he is.

People consider Green Ranger their "favourite" not his best, I did a poll before the crash and White Ranger Tommy won the poll

- Go rewatch ninja quest. Billy lead them more through the desert then Tommy. He was the one with the map and when the map burned Billy went straight off of memory.

Well Billy is the brains, thats what he's there for:p

- As a mentor Tommy was good in DT but as a ranger not so much. He didn't even always show up to battle and with all his experience he still got showed up by somebody who had been a ranger for a few days.

Black Dino Tommy was in pretty much every episode, except for the time he was stuck in the amber

[King]

You poll might have suggested that but most people I hear think Tommy was best at green and worst as black. In DT he showed up on time way more then he did as the green ranger but he was still late to some battles and straight up didn't go to others.

[tsda]

Yes, he is. And boring as hell, too (thanks to his exaggerated exposition on screen).

[Jiemusu]

Yes, he is. And boring as hell, too (thanks to his exaggerated exposition on screen).

Word.

I thought he was kickass as the Green Ranger though.

[Pinkranger]

Yes, he is. And boring as hell, too (thanks to his exaggerated exposition on screen).

tsda finally after all our fighting we finally agree on something lol

[Rebelde]

What I get tired of is his "WHOA, HIYA; HA HOAAAA" screams when he fight...they are so annoying....it's fine to shout while you fight...but he had these special shouts that makes it seem like he's trying to hard to act